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post #1 of 35
10/30/12 at 7:32pm
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Hi There!

 

I am interested in a pair of these, preferably new but I'd consider ones with very light use or in an opened box. 

 

Anyone know of a place doing these for $350 Shipped or less. I know there is some discussion about them only being sold at RRP but I can see deals online for less than RRP. I got pretty close at $390 + Shipping from RazorDogDeals.

 

If you have a pair that match the description or know of anywhere, they are on promotion, please let me know. 

 

I'd prefer to ship these internationally, which of course I'll pay for, but I do have someone I can have accept delivery within the US who can then reship to me.


Edited by networkn - 10/30/12 at 7:41pm
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post #2 of 35
10/30/12 at 7:46pm

Quick search on eBay rendered a pretty close match to what you're looking for.

 

Perhaps it's not as cheap as you'd like, but I think it's a pretty good deal.

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post #3 of 35
10/30/12 at 11:02pm
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Thanks, I saw those, It's quite a lot more than I wanted to pay, I am hoping it's just a matter of patience. 

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post #4 of 35
10/31/12 at 8:39am
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Thanks, I saw those, It's quite a lot more than I wanted to pay, I am hoping it's just a matter of patience. 

 

When I was inquiring a couple of months ago, several Head-Fi'ers recommended waiting until Black Friday for a bargain. (I couldn't wait.)

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post #5 of 35
10/31/12 at 12:52pm

Turns out that they were sold for less than $350. Somebody must have made an offer. Guess you just lucked out!

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post #6 of 35
10/31/12 at 1:23pm
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Originally Posted by networkn View Post

Hi There!

 

I am interested in a pair of these, preferably new but I'd consider ones with very light use or in an opened box. 

 

Anyone know of a place doing these for $350 Shipped or less. I know there is some discussion about them only being sold at RRP but I can see deals online for less than RRP. I got pretty close at $390 + Shipping from RazorDogDeals.

 

If you have a pair that match the description or know of anywhere, they are on promotion, please let me know. 

 

I'd prefer to ship these internationally, which of course I'll pay for, but I do have someone I can have accept delivery within the US who can then reship to me.

I am seeing RDD at $499.95.  How are you getting to $390?

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post #7 of 35
10/31/12 at 1:45pm
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I am seeing RDD at $499.95.  How are you getting to $390?

 

RDD is legally permitted to sell the 650's for a lower price but, because they're an authorized dealer, they can't advertise it for less than Sennheiser's MAP.

 

Try making them an offer.

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post #8 of 35
10/31/12 at 3:20pm
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Well MusicDirect are $399 incl shipping. 

 

I didn't push them for a better deal I didn't think it was going to budge much, I am thinking perhaps Black Friday ? 

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post #9 of 35
10/31/12 at 4:15pm
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RDD is legally permitted to sell the 650's for a lower price but, because they're an authorized dealer, they can't advertise it for less than Sennheiser's MAP.

Try making them an offer.

Their pricing policy is MRP(Minimum Resale Price) on the HD650, which means a dealer cannot sell below a certain price, advertised or not. That price is currently $499.95. Good for you if you end up getting a deal, but I wouldn't speak publicly about which dealer is giving you the deal. Especially on a forum that Sennheiser sponsors.
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post #10 of 35
10/31/12 at 5:00pm
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Their pricing policy is MRP(Minimum Resale Price) on the HD650, which means a dealer cannot sell below a certain price, advertised or not.

 

As it turns out, we're both wrong at least in the US.

 

Resale Price Maintenance was a violation of the Sherman Antitrust Act until 2007. Then, in Leegin Creative Leather Products, Inc. v. PSKS, Inc., the Supreme Court held that it wasn't per se a violation. So, the legality turns on Sennheiser's contracts with retailers and any court decisions concerning such contracts.

 

It's no longer obviously illegal as I had assumed.

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post #11 of 35
10/31/12 at 5:28pm
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As it turns out, we're both wrong at least in the US.

Resale Price Maintenance was a violation of the Sherman Antitrust Act until 2007. Then, in Leegin Creative Leather Products, Inc. v. PSKS, Inc., the Supreme Court held that it wasn't per se a violation. So, the legality turns on Sennheiser's contracts with retailers and any court decisions concerning such contracts.

It's no longer obviously illegal as I had assumed.

It isn't illegal. The dealer states that if you sell the products below a certain price, which is totally under your control, they reserve the right to withhold orders from you. You are correct in saying that a manufacturer cannot force a dealer to abide by this, but the manufacturer also cannot be forced to sell the dealer product.

Also, dealers do not sign contracts agreeing to these policies. That would actually be illegal. It is stated to the dealer what the policies are. They can choose whether or not to abide by them, and the manufacturer can choose whether or not to continue to do business with them.
Edited by Speakerphile - 10/31/12 at 5:32pm
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post #12 of 35
10/31/12 at 6:28pm

Why does Amazon sell most of their stuff lower than MAP then?

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post #13 of 35
10/31/12 at 7:11pm
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Why does Amazon sell most of their stuff lower than MAP then?

 

Most of whose stuff?

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post #14 of 35
10/31/12 at 8:23pm
In a lot of cases Amazon is not an authorized dealer. Neither are most of their marketplace sellers. So they have no disincentive to break MAP or MRP.

Notice how Amazon is selling the HD650 at $499.95. In this case, they probably are an authorized dealer, and thus, have an incentive to follow the pricing policy. All of their marketplace sellers though, do not. Since there is no way for Sennheiser to enforce the policy on Amazon's marketplace sellers, they go unscathed, and Amazon makes a cut.
Edited by Speakerphile - 10/31/12 at 8:28pm
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post #15 of 35
10/31/12 at 8:32pm

I think some of the sellers on Amazon marketplace import their headphones from other countries.where they are cheaper.

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