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Originally Posted by wolfetan44 View Post

Why are you offended?confused.gif

Because Asr is accusing me of "blatant disregarding someone else's headphones"? I am simply at loss of words here. 

post #572 of 744

Scratch that, too lazy haha.


Edited by wolfetan44 - 6/28/13 at 11:15am
post #573 of 744
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Originally Posted by udauda View Post

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Originally Posted by wolfetan44 View Post

Why are you offended?confused.gif

Because Asr is accusing me of "blatant disregarding someone else's headphones"? I am simply at loss of words here. 

Oh. Were you the one that sent them to him? I checked the list before I wrote the post, but, are you Inks?

post #574 of 744
No he isn't me, I skipped my turn. I can vouch for Rin, I don't know what Asr is trying to pull here
post #575 of 744

Review should be up here in a few minutes. 

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Originally Posted by Inks View Post

No he isn't me, I skipped my turn. I can vouch for Rin, I don't know what Asr is trying to pull here

 

Ah, I was trying to remember if it was Inks or Rin who is active on the forum. Turns out it was you, Inks. Rin did a good job though?

post #576 of 744

Sennheiser HD650 VS. Paradox by LFF

 

Packaging: I couldn't care less. Honestly, if people do care, obviously, a bigger company is going to have better packaging. I don't think Luis cares, and he shouldn't as it would raise prices. However, I like how the HD650 comes with a box to put your headphones in, as I am a big lover of boxes with headphones as they look good on my desk, and protect the headphone. But, nonetheless, I am happy LFF didn't include a box, as it would raise prices.

 

Looks: Couldn't care less. But for people who care, I like the Sennheiser HD650 in terms of looks more.

 

Build quality: I am not going to do any "tests" with these, but I am going to assume the Paradox is a bit more durable. The HD650 sometimes creaks and it can bother me, but I feel the creaks won't do much, whereas the T50RP never creak, thus I see them as a bit more durable. All in all, I cannot see one breaking in the near future at all.

 

Comfort: I think its a preference of velour or leather. I prefer velour over leather as its more airy, and more cushy to me. The Paradox are still EXTREMELY comfortable, and have low clamp, and have a very nice suspension headband. Leather can sometimes make me sweat as I am a very hot person and get hot in 50 degree weather, so take that with a grain of salt. Anyways, velour will always win out for me.

 

Soundstage: Closed vs. open, open will always win in the soundstage department. Now for a closed headphone, I think the Paradox have an ok soundstage, its not very airy, and not very big, but I don't expect a big soundstage from a closed headphone. Now for the HD650, as an open headphone, its very small, but has a lot of height to me and is half and half airy, overall, both don't have very good soundstages for their headphone specifications.

 

Dealing with Luis: He's a great guy and always deals with me on Google Talk. He included some personal goodies for me, which was extremely sweet. Overall, amazing experience with Luis, and I still talk to him.

 

 

Lets get to the sound!

 

Basically, this part of the review will be me naming some of my favorite songs at the moment, and writing where each have their upfalls and downfalls. I'm sure you guys have seen this type of review before.

 

Black Skinhead- Yeezus- Kanye West-

Paradox: Is a fast headphone, so it really helps out the headphone in hip hop. The Paradox is a very neutral headphone, so nothing is very emphasized. I like Kanyes voice on the Paradox better, more detailed.

 

HD650: The sub bass is emphasized, for hip hop, this is good. The HD650 here is a more "fun" headphone, but its not very fast. It is a bit slow on this song. The soundstage helps the HD650 a bit.

 

Common grounds between each headphone: Both the headphones strong points are their mids.

 

Which one did I prefer? Nobody wins here, I thought they were both very equal headphones on this song. I think it matters what you want in a hip hop song, do you want fast and detailed like the Paradox? Or bassy and slow like the HD650? If anything, I thought the Paradox won out by a bit.

 

To The Last- Overgrown- James Blake-

 

Paradox: Synthesizer sounds better on the Paradox, so the Paradox definitely wins out here. Also, James Blakes voice is much more detailed on the Paradox, much more. I actually had to look if I was listening to the same song.

 

HD650: Highs are recessed on the HD650, which make it a nice, easy start to the song. I do not consider synthesizer sounds HD650's forte, which is used a lot on James Blakes music. Lows are definitely emphasized on the HD650 more.

 

Common grounds between each headphone: Small soundstage on both the headphones do not help out, I really wish they had better soundstages for this song.

 

Which one did I prefer? Paradox wins, synthesizer sounds a lot better, more detailed.

 

Coronado- Haclyon Digest- Deerhunter-

 

Paradox: Guitar on the Paradox on this song sounds much better. The voice on this song seems to have gotten a veil off of it(Paradox).  Song sounded MUCH better on the Paradox.

 

HD650: Things sound jumbled up on this song(HD650), I have never liked rock on the HD650s, but people seem to love rock on the HD650s. But what do I know?

 

Common grounds between each headphone: The saxophone on this song(not when it is soloing) can be very recessed, and hard to hear for both headphones. Maybe it is the way Deerhunters songs are mastered?

 

Which one did I prefer? Paradox wins by a landslide. No contest. None!

 

Don't Swallow The Cap- Trouble Will Find Me- The National-

 

Paradox: Voice sounds amazing, low and detailed. The girls voice on this song comes in clearly and perfectly. The bass on this song is a bit one dimensional. The upper(strangely, not for this song) and lower mids(his voice) on the Paradox are fantastic. The guitar and violin were killed because of the Paradox's small sound stage, making them sound very close to my ear, which made them hard to hear.

 

HD650:  The guitar on this song comes in clearer, and the bass is more extended. I do not like his voice on the HD650, its like his voice is combined with a weird lower sound. Not a fan. The violin on this song sounds a lot better.

 

Common grounds between each headphone: None.

 

Which one did I prefer? This one had me a bit tricked, I came in expecting the Paradox to destroy the HD650. Alas, I call a tie! Guiter and violin sound better on the HD650  but the voice on the Paradox sounds a lot better. 

 

Hannah Hunt- Modern Vampires Of The City- Vampire Weekend-

 

Paradox:  The voice on this song, is only ok. Nothing like the HD650. Its detailed, but not sweet. I wouldn't use any of the adjectives I used on the HD650 to describe the Paradox. The tiniest bit of sibilance is present here, tiny bit. The guitar on this song is very detailed, and sounds less veiled than the HD650. The shouting part on this song is less relaxing than on the HD650.

 

HD650: Ezra's voice sounds absolutely fantastic, the HD650 really loves songs with the voice as the front of the song. Piano sounds great, detailed and light. Jeez, the voice is amazing. Detailed, relaxing, sweet, and romantic. Reason I love the HD650. At the end part of the song, when the singer starts to sort of shout, its awesome on the HD650, its relaxing. The HD650 at work! The bass is extended and tight, and a bit fun.

 

Common grounds between each headphone- None.

 

Which one did I prefer? HD650 by far. His voice on the HD650, amazing.

 

 

Conclusion

 

I know you guys probably read this and thought," Wow, the HD650 isn't a very good headphone." But it is, maybe not in terms of sounding better than the Paradox, but for musical enjoyment, I love them. Paradox is an amazing headphone, and I preferred it for a lot of songs. They both do things amazingly, the HD650 with reproducing voices, and the Paradox with genres like rock. I usually reach for the Paradox as more music I listen to does not have the voice at the front of the music, but when I am listening to music like that, the HD650 is always picked up. All in all, I would not sell either in a long time.

 

Set up used: Computer > O2/ODAC > HD650/Paradox


Edited by wolfetan44 - 6/28/13 at 8:14pm
post #577 of 744
Thread Starter 

Thanks for the review, wolfetann44.  I've added your post.. as well as links to the "CO meet impressions" thread with Paradox impressions.. to the index.

post #578 of 744
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Originally Posted by FlySweep View Post

Thanks for the review, wolfetann44.  I've added your post.. as well as links to the "CO meet impressions" thread with Paradox impressions.. to the index.

Its a real reviewwink.gif

post #579 of 744

has/can someone slap the alphapads onto the paradox n offer some feedback? 

if its taboo, pm me..... :P

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Hey, Asr. I feel extremely offended here.. I don't know what's up with your silly accusation. I've had tons of loan previously- SR009, LCD-2, IE800, and what not with users and manufacturers alike, and have never had such issue. (Recently LCD-2 went back to Audeze in a mint condition) Not to mention I've already loaned Flysweep's headphones before, so he should know how I handle my friends' stuff. Maybe I should take a pic of the packaging before sending the headphones out from now on? This is the exact reason why someone must be opted out from a loan tour.

 

I assume that you're Rin?

 

I totally stand behind my post, otherwise I wouldn't have posted it. I'm not trying to "pull" anything here. The packing job of the Paradox T50rp as I received it was honestly terrible and I wanted to remind other Head-Fiers that valuable headphones should be protected properly when being shipped.

 

And sorry but I don't apologize for making my post. I'm just calling it as I saw it - blatant disregard for someone else's headphones, or ignorance at best. Placing headphones into a single reused box, wrapped with bubble wrap once around, into a combo of loose styrofoam (which is harmful to the environment and should no longer be used) and biodegradable packing peanuts, is insufficient protection for headphones. For one, the box wasn't 100% fill-packed with peanuts, which is necessary to secure any internal contents. Second, the bubble wrap was loose and when I finally picked up the headphones out of the box, there were small pieces of styrofoam stuck to it and settling into its crevices.

post #581 of 744
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Originally Posted by Asr View Post

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Originally Posted by udauda View Post
Hey, Asr. I feel extremely offended here.. I don't know what's up with your silly accusation. I've had tons of loan previously- SR009, LCD-2, IE800, and what not with users and manufacturers alike, and have never had such issue. (Recently LCD-2 went back to Audeze in a mint condition) Not to mention I've already loaned Flysweep's headphones before, so he should know how I handle my friends' stuff. Maybe I should take a pic of the packaging before sending the headphones out from now on? This is the exact reason why someone must be opted out from a loan tour.

 

I assume that you're Rin?

 

I totally stand behind my post, otherwise I wouldn't have posted it. I'm not trying to "pull" anything here. The packing job of the Paradox T50rp as I received it was honestly terrible and I wanted to remind other Head-Fiers that valuable headphones should be protected properly when being shipped.

 

And sorry but I don't apologize for making my post. I'm just calling it as I saw it - blatant disregard for someone else's headphones, or ignorance at best. Placing headphones into a single reused box, wrapped with bubble wrap once around, into a combo of loose styrofoam (which is harmful to the environment and should no longer be used) and biodegradable packing peanuts, is insufficient protection for headphones. For one, the box wasn't 100% fill-packed with peanuts, which is necessary to secure any internal contents. Second, the bubble wrap was loose and when I finally picked up the headphones out of the box, there were small pieces of styrofoam stuck to it and settling into its crevices.

Yes, but is there anything wrong with the headphones right now? If there isn't, than it was a good packing job.

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wolf.....deadhorse.gif....if u ship a can to me with it all shaking inside...i am gonna kickkkk your....tongue_smile.gif

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wolf.....deadhorse.gif....if u ship a can to me with it all shaking inside...i am gonna kickkkk your....tongue_smile.gif

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For guys who think that Paradox is tense-sounding, I recommend to try VST plugins - bs2b + Sheppi. Really changes the feel of soundstage.

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Yesterday I did a side by side comparison between the Sennheiser HD800 and Paradox at a store. The HD800 was much more forward in the upper mids and a bit more forward in the treble. It had less mid-bass and impact. To my surprise the HD800 was more sensitive than the Paradox and didn't require as much power to drive, it sounded more than loud enough on my Leckerton UHA-6S.MKII. I thought it would require much more power since most people use huge amps to drive the HD800.

From my short listening session I'd say that the HD800 sounds more neutral than the Paradox - but the HD800 isn't exactly neutral. The HD800 should have less upper mids (I read that the Anax 2.0 mod fixes this which I will try) while the Paradox should have more upper mids and less mid-bass.

I ordered my own HD800 and its on the way to me now. I'll write a more detailed comparison once it arrives.

Edit:
For those curious, I demoed the HD800s in Headphonic in Perth, Australia. Headphonic is an awesome shop with a massive repertoire of headphones for demoing and very friendly staff. There's nothing like it in Sydney where I live. I also briefly heard the Beyerdynamic T90 which had way too much treble for me.
Edited by zowki - 7/6/13 at 3:45am
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