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post #16 of 77
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I was looking at amps online and i came across the Audioengine and the Emotiva minixa 100

 

http://shop.emotiva.com/collections/amplifiers/products/a100

 

http://audioengineusa.com/Store/Audioengine-N22#.UJIU4Ia5U8U

 

these are cheaper than the topping and im not sure what the real differenecs are between those 2.  I really want an amp that will allow me to add a sub woofer later on in the future and it seems the N22 makes it alot easier not sure how to do it on the emotiva one though.

 

with looks only i really like the emotiva one and apparently it goes on sale sometimes for about $175.

 

what do you guys think?

post #17 of 77

Comparing the two I'd go with the mini-X a-100, it has good power to drive those speakers nicely and supposedly has cleaner sound than the N22. The only problem is you'll have to get a powered sub that you control the volume of separately as the a-100 has a fixed line out.

The N22 has a variable line out that will change the sub volume as well.

 

The general consensus seems to be, if you want an easy to setup 2.1 system go with the N22, if you want a nice clean 2.0 system go with the a-100.

 

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post #18 of 77

I agree.  The Emotiva will be a better amp. It's even 4 ohm stable. Buy the N22 for its miniaturization and built in headphone amp, not its power amp quality. 

 

For a little bit more if have room for the footprint, the HK 3390 is very nice. Harman Audio is selling refurbs on Ebay for $199, or you can get a new one from Amazon for about $240. 80watt, high current amplifier. Subwoofer line out. Remote Control. FM radio even. I use one for a desktop setup with Energy V5.1 speakers and a Mirage Prestige S10 sub. Works great. 

post #19 of 77
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That Harmon AMP is way too big to put on top of a desk lol, hell the emotiva one I think might be a little long to fit on my desk. 

 

So in terms of better sound, power, and quality I should go with the emotiva.  I dont really use headphones, so I guess I wouldnt really take advantage of the headphone AMP on the N22.

 

pairing a sub to the emotiva AMP shouldnt really be a bi hassle correct? or would it be a bitch to really do?

post #20 of 77
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Originally Posted by vincedea View Post

That Harmon AMP is way too big to put on top of a desk lol, hell the emotiva one I think might be a little long to fit on my desk. 

 

Definitely. The HK is a full size receiver. Mine is on a separate piece of furniture next to my workstation setup in my home office. If you don't have a separate piece of furniture or lots of space, I would go with the Emotiva. 

 

For a sub, you would either

 

(a) Split the analog out from your computer and run it to both the Emotiva amp and the sub. You'll need to buy a sub that left and right RCA inputs (many do). Calibrate the speakers and sub to each other using the individual gain/volume controls on the sub and the Emotiva amp, and then use your computer volume to raise and lower the volume. Some DACs (for example, I think the Music Streamer II) don't allow for using using Windows main volume control to raise and lower the volume, only individual applications. So check your analog output and make sure you can control it that way if you want to go this route. 

 

(b) Buy a sub that has speaker level inputs and outputs (can be a little less common than subs with left/right RCA inputs mentioned above, depending on what budget range you are buying in). Then connect the Emotiva to the computer, run the speaker wires to the sub, and then connect the sub to the speakers. With this method, you calibrate the speaker with the sub by adjusting just the gain/volume on the back of the sub. Then you have the option of either controlling the volume from your computer or using the volume control on the Emotiva amp. 

post #21 of 77
I think you're going to have an impossible time getting your sub to blend with your speakers unless your amp has real bass management. If you can't set a crossover point between your speakers and your sub, I doubt you'll be able to get it working right. That's why I got the bigger bs41 speakers and went without a sub.

A full size av receiver would solve the sub problem, but it's big. Too bad no one seems to make a tripath amp with proper bass management for a sub.

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post #22 of 77
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Originally Posted by classicalguy View Post

I think you're going to have an impossible time getting your sub to blend with your speakers unless your amp has real bass management. If you can't set a crossover point between your speakers and your sub, I doubt you'll be able to get it working right. That's why I got the bigger bs41 speakers and went without a sub.
A full size av receiver would solve the sub problem, but it's big. Too bad no one seems to make a tripath amp with proper bass management for a sub.
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Certainly, bass management offers flexibility for even better optimizing the setup. Bass management is nicer because often a speaker/sub set of benefits more from having that option to set a higher crossover point.  But it's not a problem to blend the sub and the speakers without it. You just have to set the sub crossover to where the speakers roll off in bass response. 

post #23 of 77
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Originally Posted by vincedea View Post

That Harmon AMP is way too big to put on top of a desk lol, hell the emotiva one I think might be a little long to fit on my desk.

Definitely. The HK is a full size receiver. Mine is on a separate piece of furniture next to my workstation setup in my home office. If you don't have a separate piece of furniture or lots of space, I would go with the Emotiva.

For a sub, you would either

(a) Split the analog out from your computer and run it to both the Emotiva amp and the sub. You'll need to buy a sub that left and right RCA inputs (many do). Calibrate the speakers and sub to each other using the individual gain/volume controls on the sub and the Emotiva amp, and then use your computer volume to raise and lower the volume. Some DACs (for example, I think the Music Streamer II) don't allow for using using Windows main volume control to raise and lower the volume, only individual applications. So check your analog output and make sure you can control it that way if you want to go this route.

(b) Buy a sub that has speaker level inputs and outputs (can be a little less common than subs with left/right RCA inputs mentioned above, depending on what budget range you are buying in). Then connect the Emotiva to the computer, run the speaker wires to the sub, and then connect the sub to the speakers. With this method, you calibrate the speaker with the sub by adjusting just the gain/volume on the back of the sub. Then you have the option of either controlling the volume from your computer or using the volume control on the Emotiva amp.


By any chance can you link me a few subs that would work with option B? I think i would go with that option.
post #24 of 77

I don't know what your budget it is for a sub, but keep in mind with a sub you are buying a very big speaker (expensive to ship) with an amp.  Difficult to get something fairly good for cheap.

 

These all budget subs that have free shipping. The PSW505 and BIC F12 are popular subs among the HT crowd. If you are a basshead and want awesome room filling bass, these will pound. If you don't need that much bass and want something a little smaller, you might look at the Klipsch Synergy Sub-10 or the Velodyne VX-11. For nearfield listening sitting at your computer, I'm sure these would provide plenty of output. 

 

If you want a small 8" sub that has very good SQ (good for computer use in a small room), the Outlaw Audio M8 is a good one (see this CNET review). Outlaw has b-stock at a reasonable price. Outlaw Audio is an Internet direct subwoofer manufacturer, and they make great stuff (I have their LFM-1 EX sub). Last year, Outlaw put it on sale during Cyber Monday for $175. They often have sales then or the first few weeks of December. Could be worth waiting to see if you are interested.  

post #25 of 77
Thread Starter 

OK after much thought. I think I will spend a bit more money on the speakers and get the sub later down the road. 

 

the only speakers that i have looked at have only been the pioneer sp-bs21.  But I reda reviews that there isnt that much bass and that I will probably need a subwoofer. 

 

are there any speakers that are about the same size as those pioneer that will give out a bit more bass?  Now I am not a basshead, so i wouldnt want anything that over powers the highs and mids I suppose.  I prefer more clarity, clean and nice sounding speakers. I also listen to all types of music.

 

 

what would be your recommendations?

post #26 of 77
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Originally Posted by vincedea View Post

are there any speakers that are about the same size as those pioneer that will give out a bit more bass?  Now I am not a basshead, so i wouldnt want anything that over powers the highs and mids I suppose.  I prefer more clarity, clean and nice sounding speakers. I also listen to all types of music.

 

Not likely. It's difficult for 4" drivers to produce much bass. If you want more bass, probably have to jump up in size to speakers with larger drivers, at least 5". Stick with ported speakers as sealed speakers of the same driver size will often even roll off sooner in bass response. 

 

Best strategy is probably to get the speakers that will serve your needs with the subwoofer, even though you won't have it for a while.

post #27 of 77
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post

 

Not likely. It's difficult for 4" drivers to produce much bass. If you want more bass, probably have to jump up in size to speakers with larger drivers, at least 5". Stick with ported speakers as sealed speakers of the same driver size will often even roll off sooner in bass response. 

 

Best strategy is probably to get the speakers that will serve your needs with the subwoofer, even though you won't have it for a while.

 

i dont mind going up in size to a 5 in woofer than adding a sub with those size speakers.

post #28 of 77
I think the bass response on the Pioneer bs41 is very good for music for a bookshelf speaker, and you get something that, in my opinion, no sub stat can provide - - great integration. I have a bookshelf sub system in my bedroom, and even with a receiver with bass management, you just don't get the integration you get with a single well designed speaker. Even though bass is not very directional, there is just something off on the timing. I highly recommend the 41s. They just sound lovely, and nothing can touch them at the price when they go on sale for $85. Now you don't get home theater slam in your chest bass, but articulation of cello, string bass and even organ is excellent. And it opens up using 20 watt class D amps to power them.

As for the comment about bass reflex v acoustic suspension, I think acoustic suspension produces better sound but is less efficient, which is why it's going extinct except at the very high end. You'd be hard pressed to find an acoustic suspension budget speaker, with the exception of something like a super zero which is basically not usable without a sub.

So, my very strong recommendation would be the bs41s when they next go on sale. I think you'll be shocked at just how good they sound. I say this as someone who has listened to a lot of speakers over the years and owns many pairs of budget bookshelves, including superzeros, infinity p142, b&w 302, infinity betas, kef chorals 3s, boston acoustics something or others, and have heard lots of others.

One there is also a small floorstander in the series with 3 midwoofers which must sound great, and there have been good deals on them too, but it's not a bookshelf sized speaker.

If you're looking for home theater surround sound bass slam, then yes you'll need to sub, but for listening to music on a desk, the pioneer bs41 is a winner. And, no, I have no financial interest in Pioneer. Just a very happy owner.

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post #29 of 77
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Originally Posted by classicalguy View Post

I think the bass response on the Pioneer bs41 is very good for music for a bookshelf speaker

 

+1

 

Get the BS41s. Newegg has them for $85 at the moment. So you'd only be spending a little more than the BS21s. You could spend twice as much and not get a better speaker. 

post #30 of 77
A couple more thoughts after reading the questions again. You won't find a speaker the same size as the bs 21s with significantly better bass because it's physics. Low bass requires moving a lot of air, and that takes power and size. If you want really powerful low bass you need a big driver with a lot of wattage behind it. But the bs41s paint a very realistic picture of a piano, including the low bass notes, something my smaller infinitys could not do. You can't impress your friends by shaking the walls, but like listening to good headphones the fundamental bass notes in music are faithfully presented. They don't match my B&W 801s in the bass dept, but that's physics.

I'm listening to the Abegg trio playing Beethoven's first piano trio, op 1, as I type this, and it's lovely. Goodluck.

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