Originally Posted by james444
Each to their own, but "MW1 crushing the HS3000" and "HS3000 not having a good enough DAC" just sounds biased to me, as it completely skews the picture for prospective buyers. I won't dispute that the Sony's stock earpieces are superior (even said so in my own listening impressions), but considering the fact that the MW1 costs two times the price of the HS3000 where I live, that's not surprising in my book.
Few Head-Fiers will probably be content with the stock earphones anyway, and thus it's not irrelevant how both units fare with higher quality IEMs, where aptX has a small, but noticeable advantage in sound quality to my ears. Don't you wonder why Sony has licensed aptX and is about to implement it (your own words) when is offers no significant advantage? Sorry, I don't wanna give you a hard time and actually have no skin in this game, but "if you want The Best, then buy the MW1" sounds simply not right to me. jm2c.
Btw, there's another contender, the HTC BH S600, which I'll be gettin soon. If it's ok with you, I'm going to post my impressions vs. the HS3000 here. Sadly, I don't have the MW1 any longer.
It is a comparative statement. If I were to compare HS300 to the older Sony DRC-BT15 or Nokia BH111 that I have, I would have made the same conclusion and I would think you won't have any problem with that. Also, I didn't just saying the DAC on HS3000 - I said 'DAC and amp', as referring to the whole hardware package.
As for apt-X, I never dispute the fact the it is a superior compression codec - but having a better tool doesn't make for a better craftsman, It is how the tool is used and the end result that counts. Adding racing fuel to a family sedan certainly doesn't equal to a F1 sport car. In this case, as I have said it several times, I heard no distinct advantage from HS3000. If there is any, it is overshadowed by its 'DAC and amp' / hardware section in comparison to MW1.
Originally Posted by NewForce
Oh my.. you moving away from Smasung just because slow update over firmware? I've thought the story was the other way round. Even Galaxy Note 1 are getting Jelly Bean 4.1.2 this month and same 2011 year Sony model wasn't. Well that doesn't matter ywe are not talking OS here.
Btw, ClieOS when you said your impression on GT7+ and HS3000, which IEM did your use to audit them? Also, which IEM did you audit GT7+ with MW1? I hope it was orange to orange comparison, otherwise they might cause difference sound impression.
To me, aptX are the key and the main source to guarantee better sounding, to no matter what SBC version used. Now the different that affecting the final sound are the amp and DAC. With your good MW1 impression, I do believed it does have a good amp and DAC in it. I'm sure if it was equipped with aptX it will be even better. Too bad it doens't come with one.
As my impression of Sony stereo BT unit, as with my older Sony MW600, it just sounded so rough when side-by-side comparison to Samsung HS3000. Even i.Tech MC803 and Motorola S705 sounded cleaner than MW600. Maybe I put it this way, my impression about Sony BT was they always sounded too Hi-Fi to me as I've always prefer better musical sounding device.
Btw, to me HS3000 output was loud enough most of the with time, even with low volume CD directly rip to MP3 or FLAC without boosting volume by 150%. So I've think ClieOS you must be liking to play your music at much louder levelthan I am.
Your mentioning of Sony MW1 FR was flat (well james444 objected..), so pairing it with stock bass heavy IEM you think they offered better sounding. No offence, that lead me to think you are a bass heavy fan. Maybe if you pairing MW1 stock IEM to HS3000 you will a more neutral, cleaner and balanced sound. Just my guess.
Last but not least, Sony MW1 cost around $110 vs. Samsung HS3000 around $70 that was just about $40 different. If we ripped away the better IEM by $10, FM receiver $5, SD reader $5, better amp + DAC$10, OLED display circuitry $10, basically both stereo BT unit now are off the same cost. So I don't think Sony MW1 sound quality components have much advantage over Samsung HS3000.
Most of us who that buying this type of Stereo BT unit with a 3.5mm jack was to enable us to use it with a better sounding IEM. Normally we will stored away the stock IEM for good and for long long time.So the advantage of MW1 having better sounding stock IEM was irrelevant, to most of us.
It took a year (well, over a year) for Samsung to go from Honeycomb to ICS on GT7+. They also promised Jellybeam (4.1.1, not 4.1.2) about 6 months ago with no fixed day of release. I am just not going to wait for another 6 months like last time I did to find out that all I get is something outdated. The thing about Samsung is that they care only about their flagship and current models, and everything else get push back on the waiting list. Even the current GT7 2, which has inferior hardware compared to GT7+, already has its Jellybeam update a few months ago. In comparison, I just updated my Xperia TX from ICS to Jellybeam 4.1.2 two days ago and it was only on my local market for less than 3 months (less than 6 months internationally). Sony actually keep their promise of Q1 2013 update as they announced early this year. As you can see, it is an easy comparison to make.
HS3000 impression is done with stock IEM, as well as RE0 (my usual audition IEM). Same goes for MW1. I also listen to HS3000 with MH1 (the MW1 IEM) as well, but not the HS3000 IEM on MW1 since HS3000 stock IEM is really low quality and not worth paying attention to.
Yes, I agree apt-X will become more and more important as a factor to develop real, audiopile level BT headset. However, it will take other factors to come together as well. For once, HS3000 would have been a much better package with Samsung doesn't cheap out on the stock IEM. Bass roll-off, which I believe is an side effect of using coupling caps, can be easily fixed by having a larger caps. These are all the little things that add up to affect the end result of the device.
Current has nothing to do with loadness, but voltage does. As I have said, for around the same voltage (meaning around the same volume), MW1 has higher current output. Having higher output current mean higher total power output on the same volume, and it gives the source more control over the headphone. It is the same idea of using a 1W headphone amp to drive a 100mW max headphone - you can't actually put the whole 1W to the headphone (unless you want to burn it), but it gives more room for the amp to control over the headphone driver. You can still drive the same 100mW max headphone with a 200mW amp, but it will offer less control and often higher distortion. That's why higher current is better, and it doesn't meant it will be very loud.
The idea of storing away the stock IEM is common for HF'er. But there are more people who stick to stock headset than you think. Just think of how many iPhone user still stick to iBud, and they could have easily replaced it with better stuff without costing too much. I believe Steve Jobs once commented that, the fastest way to improve SQ is to replace the stock earphone. Plus, stock IEM actually ain't all bad. If Samsung had have chosen to include the EHS64 instead of EHS44, I would have said they did quite a good job.
Edited by ClieOS - 3/29/13 at 8:13pm