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post #5461 of 6486
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Are these impressions with the modded or stock Mikros 90?

 

Stock.

 

 

I brought my Mikros home from work today and I'm going to compare them to the HP50.  I'll probably be revising what I wrote before (which was basically my first impressions).

 

I was initially wowed by the HP50, but I compared them directly with my T5p last night and they sounded absolutely terrible next to the Beyerdynamic (I know, a $300 vs a $1400 headphone...but still).


Edited by elvergun - 6/2/14 at 3:47pm
post #5462 of 6486
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Originally Posted by elvergun View Post
 

I brought my Mikros home from work today and I'm going to compare them to the HP50.  I'll probably be revising what I wrote before (which was basically my first impressions).

 

I was initially wowed by the HP50, but I compared them directly with my T5p last night and they sounded absolutely terrible next to the Beyerdynamic (I know, a $300 vs a $1400 headphone...but still).

 

Wow, I'm gonna have to try me a $1400 headphone some day!

 

Looking forward to your Mikros/HP50 comparison. Wish I could fire you off my M500's so you can do a three-way, and then really annoy Pataburd when you say how much you like them lol!

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I've been going back and forth between the two and I came to the conclusion that the Mikros is just a better headphone. The HP50 is good, but it it loses to the Mikros in treble clarity and extension. It also loses in the lows - the HP50 has more quantity, but the quality of the 90s bass is much better.

Any advantage that the HP50 could have had because of its circumaural design is negated by the soft pads and the clamping force -- the Mikros is just more comfortable on my head.

If the Mikros sold for $300 and the HP50 was selling for $60-$100, I would pick the Martin Logan. Since it is the other way around, choosing the Mikros is a no-brainer.

I guess MacedonianHero and I just like different sound signatures because the models he lists at number 11 would be number 1 and 2 on my list.
Edited by elvergun - 6/2/14 at 6:34pm
post #5464 of 6486
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Originally Posted by elvergun View Post

I've been going back and forth between the two and I came to the conclusion that the Mikros is just a better headphone. The HP50 is good, but it it loses to the Mikros in treble clarity and extension. It also loses in the lows - the HP50 has more quantity, but the quality of the 90s bass is much better.

Any advantage that the HP50 could have had because of it circumaural design is negated by the soft pads and the clamping force -- the Mikros is just more comfortable on my head.

If the Mikros sold for $300 and the HP50 was selling for $60-$100, I would pick the Martin Logan. Since it is the other way around, choosing the Mikros is a no-brainer.

I guess MacedonianHero and I just like different sound signatures because the models he lists at number 11 would be number 1 and 2 on my list.

 

The Mikros clamping beats up on me, so it is scary that you find the HP50's even more uncomfortable. I wiould be keeping that in mind if you hadn't just destroyed any chance of me wanting them now. Lol - just kidding.. kinda. But I do hope to be able to hear them and feel their vice-like qualities someday for myself :)

 

As far as MH's ranking is concerned, yeah, my ranking would have both of the 11's and #5 tied for first based on SQ alone - they all have different signatures but all sound awesome to me. And if comfort was factored in, then #5 would be coming out on top. But, I haven't heard a lot of the other headphones (although I have heard the P7's three times and I haven't been uber impressed with them). So yeah, it's a subjective thing. I do love MH's efforts though, and the thread is great :)

post #5465 of 6486

My sister just so happens to work near a cloth shop so I asked her to pick up a bit of scrap leather. Turned out to be very cheap and I got a decent amount of it to work with. I have two varieties to try out so I think I'll experiment with making a set of over-ear pads. I wonder if I should be so ambitious to try to emulate the alphadog pads or try a simpler doughnut shape.   

post #5466 of 6486
From my distant faint memory, I prefer the mikros to the t5p :-)
From my recent lessfaint memory, I prefer the mikros to the hp50:-):-)
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That's what I like to hear!

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Just cracked open another pair of Mikros 90 last night.

 

Right now I have three (3) stock pairs up-and-running, and no two of them sound the same.

 

(1) [bhazard] Stock Pair #1: warm-sounding, slightly bass heavy, fit is very poor [feel like they will flip off my ears],

(2) [opened winter] Stock Pair #2: lean/bright-sounding, detailed treble, bass light, fit is excellent,

(3) [opened spring] Stock Pair #3: great balance--the best I have heard stock so-far, very airy soundstage, super bass reach, definition and presence, fit is excellent.

 

Stock Pair #3 are not fully broken in yet, but sound very, very promising.  They sound really good already, with less than 20 hours.  Treble is a bit sharp, and mids a bit hard, but they should settle down over extended break-in. 

 

Now I can better understand the mixed reactions that the Mikros 90 have elicited from many Head-Fiers.  If "Stock Pair #2" were the only MLs I had ever heard, I would have been disappointed in general and less apt to hype the Mikros 90 the way I did.  If, on the other hand, "Stock Pair #3" were the only MLs I had ever heard, I would have hyped them even more than I originally did.  [Note: The very first pair of Mikros 90 that I heard [November 2013]--and hyped--were subsequently modded and became my current favorite SPACEY/BASSY pair.]

 

Well, I cannot [as easily] imagine that the drivers themselves could be THAT different from each other between the three pairs.  My best guess is that variation in the permeable membrane patch that covers the Rabbit Hole contributes mostly to the Mikros 90s' sonic variability.

 

With Stock Pair #2, I might try systematically poking very small [surgical needle-sized, as someone earlier suggested] holes in that membrane and listening for changes.  Or I would sell that pair with a proviso that modding was a "must".

 

I am on the verge of getting the Oppo PM-1.  The Mikros 90 need another "worthy contender".  :smile_phones:


Edited by pataburd - 6/4/14 at 11:47am
post #5469 of 6486
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Originally Posted by pataburd View Post
 

Just cracked open another pair of Mikros 90 last night.

 

Right now I have three (3) stock pairs up-and-running, and no two of them sound the same.

 

(1) [bhazard] Stock Pair #1: warm-sounding, slightly bass heavy, fit is very poor [feel like they will flip off my ears],

(2) [opened winter] Stock Pair #2: lean-sounding, detailed treble, bass light, fit is excellent,

(3) [opened spring] Stock Pair #3: great balance--the best I have heard stock so-far, very airy soundstage, super bass reach, definition and presence, fit is excellent.

 

Stock Pair #3 are not broken in yet, but sound very, very promising.  They sound really good already, with less than 20 hours.  Treble is a bit sharp, and mids a bit hard, but they should settle down over extended break-in. 

 

Now I can better understand the mixed reactions that the Mikros 90 have elicited from many Head-Fiers.  If "Stock Pair #2" were the only MLs I had ever heard, I would have been disappointed in general and less apt to hype the Mikros 90 the way I did.  If, on the other hand, "Stock Pair #3" were the only MLs I had ever heard, I would have hyped them even more than I originally did.  [Note: The very first pair of Mikros 90 that I heard--and hyped--were subsequently modded and became my SPACEY/BASSY pair.]

 

I cannot [as easily] imagine that the drivers themselves could be that different from each other.  My only guess is that variation in the permeable membrane patch that covers the Rabbit Hole contributes mostly to the Mikros 90's sonic variability.

 

With Stock Pair #2, I might try systematically poking very small [surgical needle-sized as someone earlier suggested] holes in that membrane and listening for changes.  Or i would sell that pair with a proviso that modding was a "must".

 

I am on the verge of getting the Oppo PM-1.

 

To test your theory, why don't you find a membrane replacement and put identical patches on pair #1 and  #2.   If your theory is correct they should sound identical afterwards (they might both sound great, or both will sound like crap). 

post #5470 of 6486
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Originally Posted by pataburd View Post
 

Just cracked open another pair of Mikros 90 last night.

 

Right now I have three (3) stock pairs up-and-running, and no two of them sound the same.

 

(1) [bhazard] Stock Pair #1: warm-sounding, slightly bass heavy, fit is very poor [feel like they will flip off my ears],

(2) [opened winter] Stock Pair #2: lean/bright-sounding, detailed treble, bass light, fit is excellent,

(3) [opened spring] Stock Pair #3: great balance--the best I have heard stock so-far, very airy soundstage, super bass reach, definition and presence, fit is excellent.

 

Stock Pair #3 are not fully broken in yet, but sound very, very promising.  They sound really good already, with less than 20 hours.  Treble is a bit sharp, and mids a bit hard, but they should settle down over extended break-in. 

 

Now I can better understand the mixed reactions that the Mikros 90 have elicited from many Head-Fiers.  If "Stock Pair #2" were the only MLs I had ever heard, I would have been disappointed in general and less apt to hype the Mikros 90 the way I did.  If, on the other hand, "Stock Pair #3" were the only MLs I had ever heard, I would have hyped them even more than I originally did.  [Note: The very first pair of Mikros 90 that I heard [November 2013]--and hyped--were subsequently modded and became my current favorite SPACEY/BASSY pair.]

 

Well, I cannot [as easily] imagine that the drivers themselves could be THAT different from each other between the three pairs.  My best guess is that variation in the permeable membrane patch that covers the Rabbit Hole contributes mostly to the Mikros 90s' sonic variability.

 

With Stock Pair #2, I might try systematically poking very small [surgical needle-sized, as someone earlier suggested] holes in that membrane and listening for changes.  Or I would sell that pair with a proviso that modding was a "must".

 

I am on the verge of getting the Oppo PM-1.  The Mikros 90 need another "worthy contender".  :smile_phones:

 

I have one Mikros that is bassier than my other pair. I have a third pair in-box. I play guitar so I am, perhaps, a bit more forgiving of sample variance. You can try a number of different Strats of the same model and they will feel and play and sound slightly different, sometimes totally different.

 

Have you had a chance to try the Onkyo FC 300? Of the Mikros clan here, Trunks and I really like them.

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I can forgive guitar variance since, you know, no two pieces of wood are exactly the same and, I dunno, guitars just have more parts to them to cause them to sound different and feel different. Plus stores will set them up individually, so of course the action will be different for each guitar and thus the sound will be different. Guitars also constantly change sound as a result of being made of wood that expands and contracts, as do the strings. 

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I can forgive guitar variance since, you know, no two pieces of wood are exactly the same and, I dunno, guitars just have more parts to them to cause them to sound different and feel different. Plus stores will set them up individually, so of course the action will be different for each guitar and thus the sound will be different. Guitars also constantly change sound as a result of being made of wood that expands and contracts, as do the strings. 

 

Maybe I should have compared the Mikros to guitar amp speaker enclosures. Darn analogies always seem to back fire... At least I didn't compare them to cars.


Edited by H T T - 6/4/14 at 2:58pm
post #5473 of 6486

Haha, no worries :). Can't say I've had an opportunity to try different speaker cabinets so I have no idea what the kinds of tolerances with those are.

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Have you had a chance to try the Onkyo FC 300? Of the Mikros clan here, Trunks and I really like them.

I am also impressed with the Onkyo ES FC300.  I like the larger size of the ear pads... almost over ear in size.  Better passive isolation than the Mikros as expected given the larger ear cup size.  The sound on the FC300's is excellent...maybe close to the Mikros in clarity.  The bass on the FC300 may be a bit more forward, but it is very clear...not muddy.  The FC300's share the open sound that I hear in the Mikros...no congestion...excellent instrument separation.  The FC300 also have very, very nice detail on the highs.  I have had the FC300's for about 6 weeks, and they get as much use as the Mikros.

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Originally Posted by H T T View Post
Have you had a chance to try the Onkyo FC 300? Of the Mikros clan here, Trunks and I really like them.

 

Tried this on my recent visit to Japan, very good value for its price. I ended up ordering one from Amazon though, but for the HF 300, as at the time (maybe still now) it is cheaper than FC 300 (normally the other way around). Still waiting, as shipping from Amazon to Indonesia normally takes 3 weeks.

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