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post #5371 of 6492

@Bboy500 

 

I don't listen to much hip hop or R&B, so take my recommendations with a huge grain of salt. The Mikros is about exquisite detail and texture throughout the frequency range. It will reveal not just bad recordings, but will make lesser talents look like the Emperor's Clothes tale. Sometimes when the props are removed you may gravitate away (or to) an artist for their shortcomings in talent. When they have talent, it is a "wow" moment. :)

 

A number of Mikros fans also like the Onkyo FC 300. The Onkyo is more forgiving  and has more boom and impact in the bass than the Mikros, but is very articulate. I would recommend that you investigate the Onkyo, also.

post #5372 of 6492
Some might not get a good seal on their ears I think....there is a sweetspot of sorts.
post #5373 of 6492
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Originally Posted by SomeGuyDude View Post
 

 

I'm not saying it doesn't exist. I'm saying it always crops up as a defense when someone says a given headphone has less bass than another one. The IMMEDIATE response is "but it has BETTER bass". I've never heard anyone admit that a bass-heavy headphone exists that also has high quality bass. It's ALWAYS when someone is defending a "bass-light" product. 

 

To put it ON topic, the Mikros 90's bass is not anything special. It's good, but it's not fantastic. The M100 has better bass, as well as more of it. It's punchier, more powerful, smoother. The Mikros has what I would call "adequate" bass. It's there, it hits enough frequencies, doesn't drop off and doesn't sound artificial, but that's it. For someone who feels the M100 are too bassy, sure. That's a different argument.

 

I'm still trying them out, thinking maybe if I adjust to the sound, but I'm just not feeling it. 

 

All in good fun: My Sony MDR-X10 has more bass than your M100. And I think better bass. ;P Different wants are best met by different products.

 

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Oh everything's opinion, come on. That's the whole point of the forum. We express opinions here and share them. There is no such thing as "the only opinion", so get off yer dang soapbox. :rolleyes:

 

I was just really underwhelmed given how much praise these get. What's more surprising than anything is the person I bought them for seems to be preferring my old Monster NTunes that I gave her. And keep in mind, this is a person who does NOT listen to hip hop or pop music. She's a high school band girl who does choir and musical theatre, so her playlists are all live instrumentation stuff from groups I've never heard of (Dresden Dolls is one I know). I was really shocked to find the Mikros sitting on a chair and her chilling out with the Monsters. 

 

I'm not here to rain on parades or even tell anyone they're wrong. After all, everything in sound is subjective and what's most important is enjoying your music, not having someone else "convinced" of your choice's superiority. I just wanted to pop in and relate my findings given the INSANE amount of praise and hype these things get. I was expecting to hear sound up in the $200-300 range, but found that they are well deserving of their current price tag. Pleasant, inoffensive, but leaving me wondering why on earth people seem to be stockpiling them. 

 

The Mikros 90 is NOT for everyone. For me, I cannot find a set of on-ear cans that do better for classical, jazz, acoustic, and classic rock. (Does good with country, too. But I am ashamed to admit that I listen to country from time to time). ;)  If someone listens mainly to other genres, their needs may be better met with another set of cans. 

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The other thing being that these seem to sound better after a while. I was underwhelmed initially, too. A lot of people don't buy into the break-in factor, though. Their loss as I'm convinced these just sound better and feel better the more I use them.

 

Yup, break in is important with the Mikros (at least 75 hours I found), as is synergy with sources (awesome out of C&C BH I find). And other factors such as potential variation between pairs, and personal sound signature preferences of course. For me, the Mikros are equals to the KEF M500's and DT1350's (which I sadly had to return). Based on SQ alone, they all sound different and have their strengths, and I really like them all.

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The other thing being that these seem to sound better after a while. I was underwhelmed initially, too. A lot of people don't buy into the break-in factor, though. Their loss as I'm convinced these just sound better and feel better the more I use them.

 

I play guitar (and keyboards). When I get a new amp, it needs to be broken in about 100 hours or so. I don't see it unlikely that headphones would have some break-in needs. IEMs, well, maybe not so much. The Mikros are one set of cans that go through a very interesting metamorphosis over the first 100 hours.

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My Mikros 90 [the bass-light stock pair that I like the least], to my ears, have handily outperformed the ATH A1000X in practically every department [except soundstage size].  A very natural, detailed, full and balanced sound.  

 

STILL my favorite closed portables.  

 

Hey!  I even like them better than the high-school-girl-revered Monster NTunes!!!

 

And--Wayne--WAAYYY better than the KEF M500.  :D


Edited by pataburd - 5/24/14 at 1:28pm
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My Mikros 90 [the bass-light stock pair that I like the least], to my ears, have handily outperformed the ATH A1000X in practically every department [except soundstage size].  A very natural, detailed, full and balanced sound.  

 

STILL my favorite closed portables.  

 

Hey!  I even like them better than the high-school-girl-revered Monster NTunes!!!

 

And--Wayne--WAAYYY better than the KEF M500.  :D

 

I think that's a little insulting to suggest that a (gasp) girl in her teens can't have a refined ear. Lay off the stereotyping. I don't even think she "reveres" the NTunes, I was just surprised that she opted to stick with them over the Mikros given that her music library has so much jazz/soul and classic rock. 

 

To the above poster, no doubt. There's no sound for everyone. I'm not even saying these things are bad. Just expressing some mild surprise at the sound I got after reading all the hype about 'em. I was kinda crossing my fingers that they were a gem and I'd pick up a pair for myself. Decided against it. 

 

Carry on, gentlemen! 

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And--Wayne--WAAYYY better than the KEF M500.  :D

 

Nope, but that's ok! :smile:

post #5379 of 6492
I own an Ntune once, it was way better than the Mikros ....







The way it sat still on my ears.






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Here's a gorgeous song for your Mikros wining and dining pleasure:

 

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Originally Posted by H T T View Post
 

@Bboy500 

 

I don't listen to much hip hop or R&B, so take my recommendations with a huge grain of salt. The Mikros is about exquisite detail and texture throughout the frequency range. It will reveal not just bad recordings, but will make lesser talents look like the Emperor's Clothes tale. Sometimes when the props are removed you may gravitate away (or to) an artist for their shortcomings in talent. When they have talent, it is a "wow" moment. :)

 

A number of Mikros fans also like the Onkyo FC 300. The Onkyo is more forgiving  and has more boom and impact in the bass than the Mikros, but is very articulate. I would recommend that you investigate the Onkyo, also.

I still stand by the fact that my HE-400's already did that. I used to listen to alot more artists then I do now, some became unlistenable.

 

I haven't completely crossed this headphone off my list, but I would really love to hear it first. As much as most people listen to Hip-Hop for the bass, I tend to lean more towards the lyrics. This is why I am not scared if bass isn't the #1 or #2 in a headphone. If it really does pull out a lot of detail, it would be a good fit with me :)

 

I just need to be sure before I commit. Thanks for the reply!

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Originally Posted by H T T View Post
 

@Bboy500 

 

I don't listen to much hip hop or R&B, so take my recommendations with a huge grain of salt. The Mikros is about exquisite detail and texture throughout the frequency range. It will reveal not just bad recordings, but will make lesser talents look like the Emperor's Clothes tale. Sometimes when the props are removed you may gravitate away (or to) an artist for their shortcomings in talent. When they have talent, it is a "wow" moment. :)

 

A number of Mikros fans also like the Onkyo FC 300. The Onkyo is more forgiving  and has more boom and impact in the bass than the Mikros, but is very articulate. I would recommend that you investigate the Onkyo, also.

 

This is where I'm kind of... uh. I would say the opposite is true. On the Mikros, a number of lesser recordings that were very obvious with the PH6 became not much different than stellar recordings when listened to through the Mikros. That whole first paragraph is a bunch of flim-flam that doesn't say anything vis a vis what the dang things do. It's buzzwords and verbal glitter. 

 

I know I said I'm not comparing the Mikros to the Pandoras because that's not even a remotely fair comparison, and I'm still not, but what I mean is that when it comes to revealing good and bad production the Mikros don't do it nearly like you're saying. Listening to post-rock or metal albums that I know have incredibly produced drums, they sound rather plasticky and feeble when I tried them out with the Mikros.

 

What you're describing is not the headphones "revealing" anything, but you finding recordings that match well with them. I know you could quite easily flip it around and say maybe that's what's going on with me, but I'm talking about albums where I've been able to pinpoint all sorts of silly details in the percussion that I just couldn't in the Mikros. They're dang good in some applications, but if you're finding an album that sounds awesome and going "ah this is the Mikros bringing out the inherent perfection of this recording" then you're reading the situation precisely backwards. It's the recording matching the strengths of the headphones. 

 

EDIT: I will say that there's a kind of "sweet spot" where if I can get the Mikros to sit VERY precisely at the right angle on my ears they have a pretty lush and pleasant sound. However, the slightest motion of my jaw seems to make the earpieces rotate faintly and it's lost, or if I don't put them at the EXACT proper position. I'd upgrade my initial assessment from a 6/10 to an 8/10 provided you can make them sit right (I have to actually hold them in place), but still wouldn't call these a headphone for over $100. 


Edited by SomeGuyDude - 5/24/14 at 8:04pm
post #5383 of 6492
8/10..... good score, the addiction will grow...:-)
My first mikros Sat quite still on my skull,
The 2nd tends to wander on the left cup.
Getting my silicone gun ready.:-)
post #5384 of 6492
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Originally Posted by SomeGuyDude View Post

 

EDIT: I will say that there's a kind of "sweet spot" where if I can get the Mikros to sit VERY precisely at the right angle on my ears they have a pretty lush and pleasant sound. However, the slightest motion of my jaw seems to make the earpieces rotate faintly and it's lost, or if I don't put them at the EXACT proper position. I'd upgrade my initial assessment from a 6/10 to an 8/10 provided you can make them sit right (I have to actually hold them in place), but still wouldn't call these a headphone for over $100. 

 

I'm pretty sure that we are all judging them based on them being positioned in the "sweet spot". At least I know that I am. Otherwise, they are not so sweet lol.

 

I have the exact same issue though with slightest motion and losing that sweet spot, and that's my biggest gripe of the Mikros. But quite often I do manage to get into the sweet spot zone and get them to stay there, and then I'm in a happy place :)

 

For fun give this a try: reverse them. I find that I immediately and consistently get the sweet spot happening that way. But unfortunately they are too uncomfortable to wear reversed for too long (and of course the channels are reversed).

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I'm pretty sure that we are all judging them based on them being positioned in the "sweet spot". At least I know that I am. Otherwise, they are not so sweet lol.

 

I have the exact same issue though with slightest motion and losing that sweet spot, and that's my biggest gripe of the Mikros. But quite often I do manage to get into the sweet spot zone and get them to stay there, and then I'm in a happy place :)

 

For fun give this a try: reverse them. I find that I immediately and consistently get the sweet spot happening that way. But unfortunately they are too uncomfortable to wear reversed for too long (and of course the channels are reversed).

 

It's worth mentioning though because it doesn't really matter how great a headphone sounds in one position if the things refuse to stay there, y'know? It's like having the perfect IEM that has a massive sealing problem. 

 

I will say reversing them made a HUGE difference. I might actually revisit them entirely like this. 

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