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Right now I'm just using mikros foam and mikros pads, I have the foam rotated 90 degrees so that I get a larger and more elliptical hole in the foam. But the phone keeps rotating forward this way. I'll have to take it apart and have a looksy later it seems, I just noticed this was happening today.

post #5312 of 6488

Strangely, The cups never rotate forward with me.  Maybe its because I put them further back on my ears.

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Following my previous post (http://www.head-fi.org/t/633514/martin-logan-mikros-90-on-ear-headphones/5055#post_10491851), the awesome guys over at Martin Logan have sent me back a new pair of Mikros 90 pads. Love them!

 

Can anyone please walk me through the process of the installation?

 

Thanks!

 


Edited by niron - 5/19/14 at 12:34pm
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Orientated the black hole to your star symbol..
Round or elliptical, pick one.
Anchor the top edge of the pad onto the slit...
Put a finger on it, n work the rest of the edges cm by cm,
Clockwise preferred.
Once u reached 6 o'clock, be ready to pull n stretch
For the final slip in.
Visuallycheck for overall balance to how the pad sits.
Once satisfied, commence music trial.
:-)
post #5315 of 6488

DONE. PERFECT.

 

Thank You! 

post #5316 of 6488

Apologies, should be done in an anticlockwise manner if u are right handed.

Can u rip it off and redo it again. Otherwise the Mikros wont sound its best.

:D


Edited by Lorspeaker - 5/20/14 at 1:10am
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LOL. As a matter of fact it was actually anticlockwise. I could not have done it otherwise. 


Edited by niron - 5/20/14 at 1:11am
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I thought I'd write my thoughts quickly but I't seems I had more to say than I thought :)

 

So... I've had these Logans for over a week now. Did not wan't to come forward before I got these fully burned in and I got familiar with the sound. My pair is used it should be broken in but I did give it extra 80 hours of pink noise just to make sure.

 

First of all... I kind of wanted to dislike these headphones. Not that I have anything against Martin Logan, it's just this thread. For certain time there was usefull information but past that point it was excessive hype and all those ******* memes... I'm sorry, it's not like you guys are making a proper review here but after a while it all got so annoying. So yeah.... I got my pair by a trade (traded akg k501), without the trade I would have not been able to get these for a good price. Here locally these sell for 299 euros.

 

Anyway... When I got these headphones, which I kind of hoped I would dislike... WOW, I knew I would not dislike these, not even how much I tried. First thing I do with new headphones is listen to them with different volumes. Good headphone should sound same with all the volumes (for example akg k550 is good only at low volumes).  With that quick test you can find if there are some annoying peaks in the frequency spectrum. Well... Mikros passed. Passed and went miles over that....

 

The bass is just spectacular. It is so accurate and textured...linear, fast and extends well.  Mid'bass never gets intruding, it is there but it is never offensive and never interfering with the mids. Most of the time you don't even pay attention to the bass but when you do you realize you are jamming with the bassguitar player...on a track you never have payed any attention to the bass.  It is just superb bass. If Beyerdynamic T1 had this bass I would propably still have it. I have no experience with new wave planars so I propably have no idea how good bass can be. Well... as far as dynamics go mikros have the second best dynamic bass I've heard. DX1000 does everything Mikros do + add rumble and impact...but hey, those JVC's cost three times more than Mikros msrp, so yeah... What I'm saying these have awesome bass, to my ears on par to any beyerdynamic or ath-w1000x. Definately just awesome bass.

 

There is not much I can say about the highs.  The highs are there, accurate, never sibilant. Not the best I've heard. I could use more treble energy but same thing could be said about significantly more expensive Sennheiser hd600. All in all, I'm pleased.

 

The mids Well...what can I say, excellent. These have a lot of weight on the midrange. There is slight coloration, which IMO works in benefit of the Mikros. Sterile would be the last song I would use to describe the midrange presentation. Also accurate would not be in my vocabulary when talking about mikros. These are definately hifi headphones, high fidelity as in musical enjoyment headphones. These are not monitoring tools, accurate or suitable for professional use. Makes sense though. Portable professional studio monitors? Why? It's not like you would be running around with your studio monitors and mixing tracks while on the run :)

 

Anyway, I like the colored weight that is put on midrange presentation. It work's particularly great with metal. There are better headphones than mikros for every genre but for metal...Damn! These are awesome for metal. Only Audio Technica W1000X, purrin modded and with JVC HA-DX1000 sounds better with metal than Mikros. And those JVC pads alone cost more than Mikros. Of course there could be and there are headphones which could do the trick cheaper but I have not heard such. And I have also heard quite a few Grados, so don't mention those :)

 

The balance of Mikros is just perfect for metal music. Highs are bit tamed so it does not get fatiquing, mids have extra weight on distorted guitars and bass is fast enough for bassdrum and capable enough to present both the drums and bassguitar at the same time with perfect precision. I love these with metal! Metal I listen to varies between easy going power metal such as power metal bands such as hammerfall and stratovarius to harder to listen black metal stuff such as mayhem. But one of my favorite metal genres is symphonic metal. And for that it has been particularly difficult to find a suitable headphone. It is one thing ot master the bass, another the treble and the mids. But how about when you have cellos, violas, horns...whole symphonic orchestra with a choir?

 

One of the test recordings for new headphones I use is Therion miskolc experience  dvd. Metal band performing with symphonic orchestra and a choir. Lesser headphones crumble by sheer complexity of the music...but not the mikros. For music like this you don't get more with money it is all about suitability and mikros suit this kind of music. Check it out. I'f you like it find a better version. This is one of those cases where crappy youtube version does not do justice for the original piece.

 

 

 

Ok... I obviously have stepped into the hype train. But are there any downsides? Well... there are some. First of all the build quality. I like the build and overall finish. These look and fell like a $300 headphones. However it does not go beyond the looks. Right hinge adjusting mechanism works perfectly and it has that classy "click" left side is looser and it is harder to adjust.

 

A lot of people have reported that the pads start to come off after a while. I have that problem too. It is an weird issue and should have been delt by ML before the release.

 

Also the comfort is not to my liking. I wear classes but I rarely have issues with headphones. With Mikros I have to put on the headphones first and then my glasses. If I don't do that there will be pain after 15 minutes of use. Reducing the clamping force would help, but I don't want to bend the headband. I prefer a good clamp.

 

I love these headphones but there are some downsides in the sound too. These lack some clarity. It might not be a bad thing, these are forgiving for bad quality recordings but when you think about it...that might be annoying for some users. Perhaps not so much of an problem as it is a designed feature.

 

What is a issue though is lack of dark space, void, or what ever you want to call it. You know the feeling when you listen to high end headphones and music comes out of nothingness. Mikros don't quite get there. Compared to Sony MDR-SA5000 Mikros are "noisy" and definately lack transparency. That is however obvious only after listening to higher end headphones.

 

I'm not sure if the dark backround is something that $300 portable headphone should have. I don't know that much about closed portable headphones. I know that Mikros blow Philips Fidelio M1 out of the water for example. But I'm a picky guy...Even though these are lovely headphones I think more effor could have been put into making these sound more like high end product.

 

Another problem I have is the soundstage. People have complemented the soundstage of Mikros, and I agree. It is good. However I'm a soundstage fanatic. I love a huge soundstage and even though Mikros do a  good job for a closed portable headphone I have heard a lot better, even amongst portable closed headphones. I know Pataburd did not like Mikros with Phonitor but I have no problem with these. I tested these with several sources and overall tonality stays unaltered. However I agree that without the crossfeed Mikros sound kind of off with Phonitor. Phonitor is an amplifier that takes quite a bit of tuning for it to sound it's best. Properly adjusted crossfeed makes most low ohm headphones sound good but without crossfeed...not so much. Imaging is excellent, really really good and precise. Both the soundstage debth and width are quite good like I said. Can't really comment on the height. I don''t think I've heard a properly done soundstage height in any headphone below $800 and this is not an exception.

 

All has been said... I was a sceptic. But for price these sell in USA these are a no-brainer. Definately the best cheap headphone I've heard. I love Takstar hi2050 and pro80 but these are clearly a class above. To get these in to europe it would cost't about 150+ usd but even for that price I think these are a good buy. Even though these are small portables these sound better than classic Beyerdynamic DT770 for example.

 

Would I pay a full retail price for these? Propably not. If the comfort issue was fixed...maybe if I needed headphones with good isolation and didn't mind the soundstage. But for the current price these are an absolute bargain in US and definately worth considering If you have to ship these overseas.

 

 

5/5

post #5319 of 6488
Fantastic read.. Thks beocord:-)

5/5 for a start.....pataburd is gonna ask u to give it more burn ins...
N sombodyelse is gonna ask u to liberate this portable thru the hole:-)
What mikros digs is an ipad n a cuppa at McDonald's:-)
That soundstage for a portable is amazing.
Portable....Portable!

Maybe we should start glueing up the swiveling cup...the left?
Surprisingly my earpads are holding up despite taking them off for no less than 20 attempts at modding.:-)
Edited by Lorspeaker - 5/20/14 at 5:56pm
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Awesome write-up! Thank you Beo.

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Great review.  Nice going Beocord.

 

 

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Originally Posted by Beocord View Post

 

First of all... I kind of wanted to dislike these headphones. Not that I have anything against Martin Logan, it's just this thread. For certain time there was usefull information but past that point it was excessive hype and all those ******* memes... I'm sorry, it's not like you guys are making a proper review here but after a while it all got so annoying. So yeah.... I got my pair by a trade (traded akg k501), without the trade I would have not been able to get these for a good price. Here locally these sell for 299 euros.

 

 

All has been said... I was a sceptic. But for price these sell in USA these are a no-brainer. Definately the best cheap headphone I've heard. I love Takstar hi2050 and pro80 but these are clearly a class above. To get these in to europe it would cost't about 150+ usd but even for that price I think these are a good buy. Even though these are small portables these sound better than classic Beyerdynamic DT770 for example.

 

 

I think some of the craziness in this thread was brought about by the stupendous price coupled by the the fact that the Mikros is so good.

 

Nothing so cheap should sound this good. 

 

 

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Originally Posted by Beocord View Post

 

5/5

 

:beerchug:

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Excellent review Beocord. My experience with the Mikros 90s yields a different opinion in a one area and for the sake of friendly discussion:

 

Quote:
 There are better headphones than mikros for every genre but for metal..

 

I have not found a better on-ear headphone for classical, jazz, acoustic, or classic rock. Are there better portable on-ear headphones out there that you know of for those genres? You highlight a metal tune that boasts the Mikros 90's strength, but my thought is that the headphone is so capable with classical that it allows the metal to shine. Outside of the occasional Ozzy and Yngvie tune, I don't listen to metal, so I cannot validly judge a headphone on its ability to play metal. What are your thoughts?

post #5323 of 6488

Beocord,

Thank you for your thread-revitalizing contribution!

 

A few comments, for what they're worth:

 

     Frequency response [across the board] can vary slightly from Mikros 90 to Mikros 90.

     The MLs' sweet but natural tonality, in league with their detail/resolution, extension, balance, coherency and rendering of (x,y,z) space, give them the ultimate edge--IMHO--over practically every other set of headphones I have owned. 

     Given the several pairs I have broken in, I do not find the treble forgiving with poor recordings or inadequate sources/deficient upstream gear.  This observation was validated yet again last night with the remastered version of "The Band".  The treble sounded like it was voiced through a tin can.  Actually, from my experience with the SA-5000--which had a regular tendency toward shrillness or stridency in the HF with certain genres/recordings--I think the MLs resolve treble better.  I have a "bass-light" stock pair with particularly exceptional treble extension and midrange adroitness that resolve cymbals and bells extremely well, and with a speed and deftness rivaling the famously quick SA-5000.

     Addressing "transparency": modding the Mikros 90 definitely contributes to an enhanced sense of "blackness inbetween" (and appreciable expansion of the perceived soundstage).  But my opinion is that the Mikros 90 dig so deep and resolve practically everything so well that there is correspondingly very little left to complete silence from the original recording master.  I think I understand what you mean by "noise"; in my interpretation, it's that low level "gossamer connectivity" that maintains the coherent structure/soundstage of the Mikros 90.  But again, I think that is part-and-parcel of the source recording, not "noise" per se due to shortcomings/irresolution with the MLs.

     Next-to-lastly, I think the Mikros 90 accurate 3-D rendering does more justice to a recording than the unnaturally "larger than life" depiction of, say, something like the K70x.  I actually get a better sense of space, and even a better sense of [actual versus "virtual"] largesse, with the MLs.

     Production QA certainly shows room for improvement.  Currently, I have four pairs of the Mikros 90 up-and-running, and no two of them fit or sound(ed) the same.  Ironically, the pairs that sound the better respectively tend to fit the worse [Murphy's Law applied to Head-Fiers--except for bhazard's stock pair].  I will probably open up two more pairs over the next few weeks and audition them for further investgation/data before gifting/sending them off to my friends.  Fit-wise, the Mikros 90--on a case-by-case basis--have admittedly disappointed me.  Sound-wise, however, despite the potential sonic variation from pair-to-pair, the Mikros 90 have not disappointed me.

 

Thanks again.  It is always heart-warming to have a professed "skeptic" come aboard and then subsequently hear and confirm what the HYPE was about.

 

:beerchug: 


Edited by pataburd - 5/21/14 at 5:39am
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Have the ATH-W1000X on the way, too, I hope.

Will a/b the A1000X and the W1000X, then, hopefully a/b/c the ATHs with the MLs.

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Originally Posted by H T T View Post

 

I have not found a better on-ear headphone for classical, jazz, acoustic, or classic rock. 

+1

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