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still waiting for your pics :P been more than 4 week ends mr no excuse 

OK.

OK.

Fair enough.

I'm home this weekend so will try to post before the statute of limitations closes on my credibility.

Time to fire up the steam-driven digital camera that my mother-in-law gave to me when she upgraded because I had none.

:wink:

post #4202 of 6492
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Not on the plane I was just on, but I'm wearing it farther forward on the ears.

No doubt that placement is critical.  I was on flights each of the past two weeks and didn't bother to take my Denon NC's with me...no loss in audio blissfullness that I could detect.

post #4203 of 6492
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Originally Posted by pataburd View Post
 

 

The Mikros 90 are PRIMORDIAL in character; they constitute the nuclues/kernel of what every decent set of headphones should aspire to be.

;) 

 

 

 

".....u cant be serious."

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and who wanna see my frontals....???


Edited by Lorspeaker - 3/22/14 at 9:47am
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and who wanna see my frontals....???

They look like circum/supra-aurals now.  : )

Which MOD lies beneath?

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Originally Posted by Lorspeaker View Post
 

 

 

 

".....u cant be serious."

ded serious.

 

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Originally Posted by Lorspeaker View Post
 

 

 

 

".....u cant be serious."

No.  I meant Dead Serious:

 

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post #4208 of 6492
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Originally Posted by sfwalcer View Post
 


^ Keep listening and keep source rollin' meng. These scale so nicely to better sources that it ain't even funny. Even on my cheapo FiiO E17 dac/ Vali amp combo these already have the fullness/ big bass that was lacking with my ipod classic/ nano via the venturecraft go-dap.

 

Was planning to get those AKG K545s before i got these Logans but now i have no desire for those AKGs, cuz even though i never heard them i already know that those K545s can't scale as beautifully as these Logans can based on impressions so far.

 

These truly are true to your sources, and will take bass boost, etc like a champ. I am not a fan of EQing but can imagine these can take anything you throw at them.

 

Happy listening!!! :L3000:

 

Some says the Fostex TE-05 iems are similar to the sound siggy of these Logans but i don't think it does based on some brief auditioning. The lack of isolation on those TE-05 is a deal breaker for me if plan to use them on the go. For indoors listing they should be great though.

If you want a similar sound siggy to the logans, try the im02s, better isiolation, same detail as the mikros, more transparent than them, bass is about the same amount of the mikros, and they take amps really well, like my fiio e6. Did a comparison, and they  have the same subbass/midbass levels. Highs can be strident if you don't have a good pair with the im02s. 

 

Wait till they drop to $100. If not, I'll find a deal and maybe sell it to you for the amount I bought it. :P

post #4209 of 6492

OK, A/Bing the M90 against the K545 this morning after a night of burnin. I have a small volume controllable splitter so I could volume match between the 2 headphone (done by ear so probably not perfectly volume matched but close). In this test I am using my desktop computer paired with my Little Dot DAC1 and a Bravo Ocean amp with stock tube.

 

Here is one of the tracks I am using for testing. This one has some seriously nice sub bass.

I then used this Patricia Barber - What a Shame song as a second track for overall listening.

 

The end result was the K545 winning the sub-bass end still but even with only one night of burn-in the M90 was getting close and good enough I could be pretty satisfied. The M90 has more warmth than the K545 though but only slightly, to me it has a very similar midrange to the HP50. The added midrange did bring out the sibilance inherent in Patricia Barber's recording though whereas the K545 was slightly more relaxed and enjoyable in that regard. I think the M90 managed the drum kit a little more cleanly though and does snares and cymbals a bit better. The K545 has a more spacious sound stage though.

 

I would say the K545 offers a slightly deeper bottom end and a slightly V shaped signature in comparison to the M90 but we are talking only shades difference between. Between the added comfort of the over ear design and less clamping of the K545 combined with a slightly more relaxed sound the K545 is the ultimate CHILL headphone for relaxing and just floating away in your music. The M90 on the other hand with it's stronger clamp and slightly more aggressive and detail oriented sound is an excellent serious listen headphone and better portable option due to it's higher isolation. They make one hell of a one two punch for me.

 

BTW I am finding if I extend the M90 more they don't clamp as hard and become more comfortable.

 

Note I have crossed out my original comments about sound as the splitter I was using skewed the sound. I will redo my testing and post new comments. Further testing showed that both headphones were affected by the splitter so without it I still found my listening comments above were valid and I have un-struck them.


Edited by dweaver - 3/22/14 at 3:40pm
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Originally Posted by dweaver View Post
 

OK, A/Bing the M90 against the K545 this morning after a night of burnin. I have a small volume controllable splitter so I could volume match between the 2 headphone (done by ear so probably not perfectly volume matched but close). In this test I am using my desktop computer paired with my Little Dot DAC1 and a Bravo Ocean amp with stock tube.

 

The end result was the K545 winning the sub-bass end still but even with only one night of burn-in the M90 was getting close and good enough I could be pretty satisfied. The M90 has more warmth than the K545 though but only slightly, to me it has a very similar midrange to the HP50. The added midrange did bring out the sibilance inherent in Patricia Barber's recording though whereas the K545 was slightly more relaxed and enjoyable in that regard. I think the M90 managed the drum kit a little more cleanly though and does snares and cymbals a bit better. The K545 has a more spacious sound stage though.

 

I would say the K545 offers a slightly deeper bottom end and a slightly V shaped signature in comparison to the M90 but we are talking only shades difference between. Between the added comfort of the over ear design and less clamping of the K545 combined with a slightly more relaxed sound the K545 is the ultimate CHILL headphone for relaxing and just floating away in your music. The M90 on the other hand with it's stronger clamp and slightly more aggressive and detail oriented sound is an excellent serious listen headphone and better portable option due to it's higher isolation. They make one hell of a one two punch for me.

 

BTW I am finding if I extend the M90 more they don't clamp as hard and become more comfortable.

Those were the two cans I was most interested in. I think I made the right choice especially with the ET1 cable making the 90 punch harder, reach a bit lower, and be more defined and a bit bigger sounding. Smaller/more portable, and more aggressive/detailed oriented is the most important difference. Though the AKG is the winner in the looks department.

 

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Originally Posted by vlenbo View Post
 

If you want a similar sound siggy to the logans, try the im02s, better isiolation, same detail as the mikros, more transparent than them, bass is about the same amount of the mikros, and they take amps really well, like my fiio e6. Did a comparison, and they  have the same subbass/midbass levels. Highs can be strident if you don't have a good pair with the im02s. 

 

Wait till they drop to $100. If not, I'll find a deal and maybe sell it to you for the amount I bought it. :P

Even if I went back to the stock cable, I find it tough to believe the IM-02 can reach as low in the sub-bass and have the same amount of sub- and mid-bass levels. Is that just amped? 90's have the best/correct seal ?

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Interesting, I started to listen to some Tragically Hip and they sounded much more open and full on the K545 over the M90. The M90 sounded congested and clipped on both lows and highs in comparison to the K545. Quite a dramatic difference in this instance. BUT I still need to give these a lot more burn-in yet so won't worry about it.

Price wise with the M90 being so cheap right now, they handily win in the value contest.

Leaving the post but crossing it out as I found my splitter was affecting the sound. Further testing showed that both headphones were affected by the splitter so without it I still found my listening comments above were valid and I have un-struck them.
Edited by dweaver - 3/22/14 at 3:41pm
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OK, take my last couple of posts with a grain of salt. I just unplugged my splitter and plugged the M90 in by themselves to let them continue to burn in and the signature changed DRAMATICALLY!!! I think the splitter has skewed the sound of at least the M90 and probably the K545 as well. I will have to rewrite my A/B notes again. I think I will use strikeout for the current notes and leave them so people can read them and then add the new notes. I have to leave though so it will not be finished until later today.

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Originally Posted by dweaver View Post
 

OK, take my last couple of posts with a grain of salt. I just unplugged my splitter and plugged the M90 in by themselves to let them continue to burn in and the signature changed DRAMATICALLY!!! I think the splitter has skewed the sound of at least the M90 and probably the K545 as well. I will have to rewrite my A/B notes again. I think I will use strikeout for the current notes and leave them so people can read them and then add the new notes. I have to leave though so it will not be finished until later today.

How many hours on your Mikros 90, DW?

Wait until they round the corner on 200+.  They will continue to improve.


Edited by pataburd - 3/22/14 at 12:31pm
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Originally Posted by jant71 View Post
 

Those were the two cans I was most interested in. I think I made the right choice especially with the ET1 cable making the 90 punch harder, reach a bit lower, and be more defined and a bit bigger sounding. Smaller/more portable, and more aggressive/detailed oriented is the most important difference. Though the AKG is the winner in the looks department.

 

Even if I went back to the stock cable, I find it tough to believe the IM-02 can reach as low in the sub-bass and have the same amount of sub- and mid-bass levels. Is that just amped? 90's have the best/correct seal ?

This is amped of course.

 

Both im02s and mikros (to my ears) using an lg g2 stock with this song.

 

 

In the intro, I expected a powerful punch from the subbass.

 

Both have similar levels of subbass as I didn't get a HUGE punch from both in stock mikros at the moment *without the amp btw*

 

yet the mikros were more full bodied in the bass department, so the punch was harder and more present on the mikros than the im02s, but not by a HUGE amount to make you hate either. 

 

Here's with the e6 amp.

 

Once I put the fiio e6 on both, they both respond quite well!

 

Both hit even harder than before, and have more sub+mid bass, though the im02 still lacks the body, it does make its presence more known like the mikros does.

 

Mikros does have more subbass power, but there's no huge discrepancy that would make you cringe in using the im02s for music like this. Though, you would want it to sound more fuller, so that's the only con with the im02s. 

 

Though I say that these could be like the mikros, the im02s are mid-high biased, but still doesn't release the bass that you would need. At this point though, even the doppios could actually be the mikros copy, all it needs is to hit $100 and I'm getting it! Or unless the fostex does, since it's reaching those levels.

 

Fit: I tried to position the mikros with the most optimal fit, and I still get the same amount of bass levels that the im02 delivered.

 

Isolation: Both are good at isolating, but not the best. Fostex users were disappointed in isolation with stock tips. That is why I advocate the im02s, but only in isolation. Both mikros and im02s had stock cables used. 

 

Using sony hybrid tips on the iems btw, otherwise the bass levels would not be increased here. The bass is less and the subbass may skimp out if I used ath-iem stock tips.

I love the stock mikros cable, I don't want to switch it to be honest, just an amp is enough for me to bring the bass levels to optimal levels, same with the im02s.

 

also, I said ABOUT the same, not actually the same levels. It's still a bit less than the mikros, but it does reach very low, just like the mikros do.

 

I'm pretty surprised that it does actually, I expected these iems to have bass rolloff at 30hz, but these hit at least 24-26hz. 


Edited by vlenbo - 3/22/14 at 12:38pm
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Well, got a chance to try these out...  yeah, that is some serious clamp.  I'd like to get some real listening time in to get an idea of what their actual quality is, but I have too much of a headache as it is already to wear something like this.  Maybe once the noggin isn't floggin...  I do hope these perform well with classical.

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