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post #3556 of 6488
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Originally Posted by waynes world View Post
 

 

Yessir and yessir!

 

 

Its FIXable... cotton...rubber...or snakeoil. :P

 

Lets play BALL..now who has the balls to get into the HOLE..?  AND FINISH THE JOB ?!!??? 

okkkk at least TRY TO finish the incompleteable job..shruggs.

post #3557 of 6488
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Originally Posted by Lorspeaker View Post
 

 

 

Its FIXable... cotton...rubber...or snakeoil. :P

 

Lets play BALL..now who has the balls to get into the HOLE..?  AND FINISH THE JOB ?!!??? 

okkkk at least TRY TO finish the incompleteable job..shruggs.

 

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...for this job!!!

post #3558 of 6488
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Originally Posted by Nimzerz View Post
 

Are y'all really not getting any imbalance though? Like...really?

http://www.audiocheck.net/audiotests_stereo.php

 

just tested mine...sounds DEAD CENTRE on my can, 

post #3559 of 6488
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Originally Posted by Lorspeaker View Post
 

http://www.audiocheck.net/audiotests_stereo.php

 

just tested mine...sounds DEAD CENTRE on my can, 


:(

post #3560 of 6488
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Originally Posted by Nimzerz View Post
 


:(

 

bro...open it up again...get in there n GET IT FIXED.. dun give up...

 

post #3561 of 6488
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Originally Posted by Lorspeaker View Post

http://www.audiocheck.net/audiotests_stereo.php

just tested mine...sounds DEAD CENTRE on my can, 
DITTO
post #3562 of 6488
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Originally Posted by Lorspeaker View Post
 

 

bro...open it up again...get in there n GET IT FIXED.. dun give up...

 


Tips? What should I try?...

post #3563 of 6488

add more of something to one side to compensate the otherside...(left right imbalance )

 

to my knowledge...foam tends to fill /full out the sound/mids

 

felt tends to add weight/bite/attack to the sound/bass  

 

stiff leather soften the bite, from being brittle...but still keeping the weight.

 

bluetac...i havent taken it out ...since i have put it IN...

in this case, it kinda seal off a chamber of sound for me to work within.

when i was working on the denon d1100, it was a thin plasticky cup, so the bluetac "stiffen" the cups i reckon. 

but this mikros has a solid thick cup...so the anti vibration effect could be less obvious, but is still useful to some degree.

 

above my hearing "observations" ..feel free to explore..or test out watever material u can find in your drawers n move on from there.

 

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If i have your imbalance...I rather not mod the actual HOLE...but to work within the cup itself as a first option.

failing which then i will restrict the hole.. thats a judgement call u will have to make base on your hearing.


Edited by Lorspeaker - 3/10/14 at 8:14pm
post #3564 of 6488
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lorspeaker View Post
 

add more of something to one side to compensate the otherside...(left right imbalance )

 

to my knowledge...foam tends to fill /full out the sound/mids

 

felt tends to add weight/bite/attack to the sound/bass  

 

stiff leather soften the bite, from being brittle...but still keeping the weight.

 

bluetac...i havent taken it out ...since i have put it IN...

in this case, it kinda seal off a chamber of sound for me to work within.

when i was working on the denon d1100, it was a thin plasticky cup, so the bluetac "stiffen" the cups i reckon. 

but this mikros has a solid thick cup...so the anti vibration effect could be less obvious, but is still useful to some degree.

 

above my hearing "observations" ..feel free to explore..or test out watever material u can find in your drawers n move on from there.

 

==================

 

If i have your imbalance...I rather not mod the actual HOLE...but to work within the cup itself as a first option.

failing which then i will restrict the hole.. thats a judgement call u will have to make base on your hearing.


The thing is it seems to change tonality etc when I add things...it doesn't just REDUCE the volume of things. No matter what I do with the hole or the cup, it always keeps SOMETHING different.

post #3565 of 6488
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Originally Posted by Nimzerz View Post
 


The thing is it seems to change tonality etc when I add things...it doesn't just REDUCE the volume of things. No matter what I do with the hole or the cup, it always keeps SOMETHING different.

 

ya...got your point...n all my 15attempts, every little change in materials..or placement affected the sound...soundstage...

 

as far as reducing the VOLUME ...( i didnt have to deal with this..)

Wayne seems to be successful sufficiently to satisfy his ears...

u might have to try his way or a variation of it. 

maybe u DO have to mod that HOLE...haaa 

as in reducing the size of the hole..?

(guessing...)

 

 

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Edited by Lorspeaker - 3/10/14 at 9:05pm
post #3566 of 6488
Do people's ears even have the same volume-detection ability? I mean, for sure both ear canals are not exactly the same. I'm fairly certain mine don't hear at precisely the same volumes, and I even have some very slight tinnitus that's been there for as long as I can remember. I just get on with it, listening to music is the point of this gear. Just like one of my eyes being a bit worse than the other doesn't affect my ability to enjoy what I see.

Don't our brains pretty much compensate for this stuff anyway? Are people sitting and comparing each earcup with the same ear just so they can have a bee in their bonnets about something that's more of a technical issue than one that really affects real-life performance and enjoyment?

We have single-sided entry and one cup filled with a circuit board while the other doesn't. I don't know how anyone can expect them to be perfectly balanced. They appear to be balanced enough for most people to just enjoy them and not get fixated on the issue. People get so caught up in finding the flaws of their earphones through FR graphs, frequency sweeps and all that jazz it's like they're actively seeking a reason to be dissatisfied so they can keep on searching and spending for the holy grail that doesn't exist.

Also, if you can't be bothered to try different things to address any problems introduced by a mod, then you have no business doing modding. Playing around with acoustics in ear cups is not quick-fix stuff. There are companies that specialize in modding for that very reason.

Me, I'm leaving mine alone until I've made sure the sound is fully settled I might eventually try some modding since I still find them a bit congested and rather shouty-sounding in the upper mids, but I'm not massively bothered by it. I got these for a third of their retail price. They look good, they're portable and they're closed so I can use them when working. I'm not going to get caught up in little things.

I still prefer how the MS1s sound, but the MLs serve a different purpose for me and I'm happy with the purchase in the context of that purpose.
post #3567 of 6488

Well lets see... clearly the BASS problem isn't just "oh this is easily ignored even though it is POUNDING only my left ear"

No, it makes a huge difference. And if that problem didn't show up for most people when performing the exact same mod, then there must've been something wrong with the headphone to begin with eh? Not to mention that even in the stock form the sub bass was imbalanced and it is very much apparent in music like EDM, rap, and some other genres meaning that it will make a difference when only your left ear is really vibrating from the bass--but then again, this is still only in a few occasions, that still matter when they come up.

 

When sibilance like the little "sss" sounds from vocals is only heard in the left ear? Yes it makes a difference. Some people have OCD about colors and alphabetical order too, does that mean that they're being unreasonable because it doesn't really make much of a difference? No, it makes a difference to some of us and to me, even if I am not "OCD" it still bugs me. You have your preferences, so just because it doesn't bug you doesn't mean it doesn't bug me.

 

Apparently my ears are very good at judging volume-detection and imbalance--especially since I've had a lot of problems like that in the past (such as with the emotiva, where I returned it and got a replacement due to the imbalance in the volume pot).


Edited by Nimzerz - 3/11/14 at 12:54am
post #3568 of 6488

 

In the spirit of itchyhands, curious mind...n in support of Nim's persuit of his ideal sound...

i cut out two pieces of CARVEN thin 1mm leather ( same bellycut that i used on the base of the cups )

and replaced the two foam that i stuck under the drivers.

 

The sound effect :

an overall SLIGHTLY more clarion sound, from vocals to shimmer on cymbals to drum snap...( also spelled as B R I G H T E R )

And the reverbs might hang just slightly longer in the air, very slight. i am being picky..Can be interpreted as a slightly RICHER sound.

No resonance issue. The mids remains upfront, not recessed.

Overall, i think those who liked the original stock Mikros sound will find this signature FAMILIAR, albeit in a BIGGER soundscape.

 

I was fearing the fatigue factor..running thru my testsongs now...i am holding up so far :P

all sounded good, no glaring weaknesses...think its a matter of what of sound temperature u like.

( like a silver vs copper cable type of situation )

 

I wont be updating this variation to my post in 1804 for the time being. 

 

This mod is reminding me more n more of the T1...

Russell Watson belting out GRANADA now ...on a HOT SUMMER NITE...demanding my attention on this mod. Powerful !

CoCo Lee singing closing number A Love B4 Time in CrouchingTiger...could almost see her under the spotlight, her voice soarrrring beautifully..what a damsel !


Edited by Lorspeaker - 3/11/14 at 1:03am
post #3569 of 6488

Interesting find... honestly I'd be very interested if the imbalance for the bass and just about everything else wasn't there. Though I don't think I'll be able to find a way to balance it out evenly.

post #3570 of 6488

u try to find a way...get on your knees n pray...some bright idea will HIT u..

Not finding a way yet is still FUN...

just stick your screwdriver in n tweedle fiddle ...

close it up...listen...not happy..get your butt back in another time if u must..

its a great comsuming frustrating challenge.

 

It should take u less than 10mins to get in n out by now. 

Go get it TIGER !!

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