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Originally Posted by sfwalcer View Post

 

And nah ghostfit wasn't the one with all the ideas for the mods in the S500/ S400 thread. His butt has been MIA for a while here, it was some other guy and it's best not to bring him in here based on his past track records regarding mods and recables tbh.

Yeah, I do remember that particular uncomfortable situation. I just thought there were others who also got into it. I'm not going to trawl the thread for that, though. I just hope someone will take on the challenge to find some other earpads that fit these gems.

 

South Africa talk (Click to show)
 
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I want to visit S. Africa so much! One day. It looks like a beautiful country and some really nice people. Gorgeous women!

There's beautiful sides and ugly sides to this country. It's really unfortunate that we have such a problem with violent crime and corruption here (in Johannesburg it's probably the worst, Cape Town and other places still have crime but not nearly as much ugly violence involved) because otherwise it's actually the perfect place. Africa didn't float off with all these faultlines like other continents, so we don't get much in the way of natural disasters (other than the odd drought or flood), our weather is exceptionally temperate, most people are outgoing and have some of the best sense of humour (according to foreign visitors) and, of course, the beautiful women :smile:. 

 

I stay in a house that rents out rooms to medical students who do their electives at Chris Hani Baragwanath Hospital for the vast amount of experience they get in trauma medicine and surgery. The sheer volume of needless violence and avoidable injury is just mind-boggling. Currently we have a Swedish student who said that he got more experience in an afternoon of the trauma ward of Baragwanath than he had in six months in Sweden. I almost wonder that Sweden even needs trauma doctors :D. I imagine the most trauma there comes from accidents instead of people stabbing each other over the mundanest things like you get here. Seriously, I was told of a taxi driver who got stabbed in the back because he didn't want to stop where his passenger wanted him to. Bloody madness. 

 

But still, there's a lot of good here. It's easy to get caught up in the negativity, so I just don't follow the news and media anymore. If there's anything really important I need to know about, someone's gonna talk about it so that's good enough for me. 

 
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So my Mikros arrived last night!  Happy to report that they sound quite good to my ears right out of the box and are likely going to meet my needs very nicely in so far as being a reasonably portable closed phone to wear around the house.  The stock sound is generally lively and pleasing - timbre is commendable overall, and they are neither too lean nor at all bloated in the midbass.  And the bass does indeed go down < 30hrz with no issues.  They are a damn steal at current prices.

 

Just to keep it a little real though - if you run frequency sweeps (there's a free ios app), the FR definitely has a bit of a funky dip, centering around 2.5khz, where it obviously drops several db's before coming back up around 4khz.  This can be a good thing for certain types of pop and hip hop, when the sample has aggressive upper-mids, but in the realm of classical, violins and trumpets (to say nothing of pipe organ) play fundamental frequencies up to around 3.5khz.  Having trebles get suddenly soft in the middle of a run is less than ideal.  Then again, this issue is far from unique to these phones.  Hd600's and dt880's have just the opposite issue - which is worse from my perspective.  Both have significant FR humps around 3khz which cause certain treble notes to sound much louder than they actually are.

 

Pending burn in, the Mikros are a definite step behind my Alpha Dogs in overall sound quality (to my ears), but the Alphas cost 9x as much and are far too clunky (again, IMO) to be realistically used as anything other than a stationary headphone.  By comparison, the Mikros are a total bargain and have incredible utility.  They are excellent, totally portable, easily driven on-ear phones that are destined to become a go-to for casual evening listening around the house.  My thanks to the many enthusiastic posters in this thread who encouraged me to take advantage of this bargain and to join in the fray.  I plan to live with them as is for a while, but the modding prospects are also something to look forward to.   

post #3123 of 6488
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Originally Posted by skeptic View Post

So my Mikros arrived last night!  Happy to report that they sound quite good to my ears right out of the box and are likely going to meet my needs very nicely in so far as being a reasonably portable closed phone to wear around the house.  The stock sound is generally lively and pleasing - timbre is commendable overall, and they are neither too lean nor at all bloated in the midbass.  And the bass does indeed go down < 30hrz with no issues.  They are a damn steal at current prices.

Just to keep it a little real though - if you run frequency sweeps (there's a free ios app), the FR definitely has a bit of a funky dip, centering around 2.5khz, where it obviously drops several db's before coming back up around 4khz.  This can be a good thing for certain types of pop and hip hop, when the sample has aggressive upper-mids, but in the realm of classical, violins and trumpets (to say nothing of pipe organ) play fundamental frequencies up to around 3.5khz.  Having trebles get suddenly soft in the middle of a run is less than ideal.  Then again, this issue is far from unique to these phones.  Hd600's and dt880's have just the opposite issue - which is worse from my perspective.  Both have significant FR humps around 3khz which cause certain treble notes to sound much louder than they actually are.

Pending burn in, the Mikros are a definite step behind my Alpha Dogs in overall sound quality (to my ears), but the Alphas cost 9x as much and are far too clunky (again, IMO) to be realistically used as anything other than a stationary headphone.  By comparison, the Mikros are a total bargain and have incredible utility.  They are excellent, totally portable, easily driven on-ear phones that are destined to become a go-to for casual evening listening around the house.  My thanks to the many enthusiastic posters in this thread who encouraged me to take advantage of this bargain and to join in the fray.  I plan to live with them as is for a while, but the modding prospects are also something to look forward to.   
a winner winner chicken dinner for another customer!

Enjoy, friend!
post #3124 of 6488
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Originally Posted by sfwalcer View Post

 

Lets just say i had a chance to rebuy the X1s for the 3rd tyme when the $150 deal 1st went live but i could not make myself do it. Do i think the Logans are better than them HELLS YEAH, without a doubt. Those X1s i would consider as more FOTM material tbh.

 

Ha ha not this kid. They are FOForever for me :)

post #3125 of 6488
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Originally Posted by Darknet View Post
 

Yeah I was having similar opinions with the amount of bass. I think bass is affected by how obstructed the hole is because more airflow will allow the driver to move more freely... not an expert in these matters but I think that has some effect. Try using different materials to cover the hole.

 

In my post above I mentioned that I used 2 layers of party streamer lol. I tried one layer which was a bit too bassy, foam was  way too bassy (lesser than original but still tons), and tape made it anemic in bass. I think a cotton pad was the closest to stock I found since I kind of destroyed the original paper haha. Its great being able to tune these things by experimenting with different materials. 

I also used cotton pads on the back of the cup which, expectedly, tamed the treble though I wasn't happy with the lack of sparkle... made things kind of dull so yeah.

 

Where are you at now Darknet?

post #3126 of 6488
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Originally Posted by niron View Post
 

I have just ordered the Pipeline PLET4B10 Premium audio cable. Let's see how it goes. I guess I'll do some modding with the cable.

I have also asked a friend of mine to build me a DIY silver plated audio cable. Gotta check the SQ with this one as well. I'll report back as soon as it arrives.

The ET-4 is made from silver plated UPC copper, solid strands, individually sheathed.  Nice cable, material- and construction-wise.  Made by AudioQuest, but [budget-]branded Pipeline.

post #3127 of 6488
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Originally Posted by skeptic View Post
 

So my Mikros arrived last night!  Happy to report that they sound quite good to my ears right out of the box and are likely going to meet my needs very nicely in so far as being a reasonably portable closed phone to wear around the house.  The stock sound is generally lively and pleasing - timbre is commendable overall, and they are neither too lean nor at all bloated in the midbass.  And the bass does indeed go down < 30hrz with no issues.  They are a damn steal at current prices.

 

Just to keep it a little real though - if you run frequency sweeps (there's a free ios app), the FR definitely has a bit of a funky dip, centering around 2.5khz, where it obviously drops several db's before coming back up around 4khz.  This can be a good thing for certain types of pop and hip hop, when the sample has aggressive upper-mids, but in the realm of classical, violins and trumpets (to say nothing of pipe organ) play fundamental frequencies up to around 3.5khz.  Having trebles get suddenly soft in the middle of a run is less than ideal.  Then again, this issue is far from unique to these phones.  Hd600's and dt880's have just the opposite issue - which is worse from my perspective.  Both have significant FR humps around 3khz which cause certain treble notes to sound much louder than they actually are.

 

Pending burn in, the Mikros are a definite step behind my Alpha Dogs in overall sound quality (to my ears), but the Alphas cost 9x as much and are far too clunky (again, IMO) to be realistically used as anything other than a stationary headphone.  By comparison, the Mikros are a total bargain and have incredible utility.  They are excellent, totally portable, easily driven on-ear phones that are destined to become a go-to for casual evening listening around the house.  My thanks to the many enthusiastic posters in this thread who encouraged me to take advantage of this bargain and to join in the fray.  I plan to live with them as is for a while, but the modding prospects are also something to look forward to.   


^ Welp these Logans even made a believer outta' this skeptic. ;)

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Congrats!!! And your initial impressions will be added to the OP page along with the rest, so for all you future Loganites nuff said....

 

 

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... keep those impression comin'!!!

Edited by sfwalcer - 3/5/14 at 1:31pm
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Originally Posted by ssrock64 View Post
 

Hey guys, I was one of the posters over in the other thread. My initial posts were a little more negative in tone than they should've been, and I apologize for that. I've also written a response to what pataburd wrote on the thread. My apologies for any ruffled feathers.

SS,

 

No ruffled feathers here,

 

Sorry if I sounded like I blew a headgasket on the other thread.

 

To me, what makes the Mikros 90 THIS good is their unique synergy--their harmonious synthesis of just about every characteristic I value when listening to headphones/music.  The fact that they are now cheap, easy to mod and so responsive to changes are bonuses.

 

I am not saying that they do everything better than the HE-6; for example, in absolute terms the HE-6 have a larger soundstage, but the Mikros 90, I believe, are truer to the actual proportions/spatial characteristics of the recording space.  Plus, to me, the 90s DID HAVE truer tone/timbre than the HE-6 [was kind of the "deal-breaker" for me--the treble on the HifiMANs sounded like an arc welder compared to the Mikros].  This preference came about after spending many hours with the MLs and getting used to their unique synergy of attributes,  Afterwards, for me anyway, my other headphones just didn't "get me there" anymore. The Mikros 90 will "grow on you" if you let them.  

 

But you have to leave your preconceptions at the door [with sfwalcer!]: preconceptions about portables, about closed cans, about the "neophyte" product entry from Martin Logan, etc.  Then you are ready for the Logans to work their real magic on you.  They shatter your preconceptions, exceed your expectations and then show you how much more you can hope for in your headphone experience.  Then the MLs exceed your hopes.  Then you mod them . . . the Mikros 90 are joined to you at the pinna for life!!

 

Admittedly--in case you didn't notice, I am gah-gah about the Mikros 90, and I understand that some folks are taken aback by my [apparently undue] intensity.  That's just me.  But I do think that the Mikros 90 are a break-through product that had/have the potential to cut a significant swath in the Head-Fi market, but unfortunately it looks like ML is going to (a) definitively pull the Mikros 90 from the market altogether and (b) decline from any subsequent headphone R&D, i.e. we probably won't see a full-size circumaural ML "Mikros 100" in the future.  To me, these are two highly significant (and highly unfortunate) losses, to the Head-Fi community in particular and to the at-large headphone community in general, traceable to a few premature negative reviews that put the kibosh to a truly remarkable set of headphones before they could off to a fair start.

 

I genuinely feel sorry for those who will not have the chance to purchase, own, mod, potentiate and enjoy the Mikros 90 in the future because of the unfortunate turn of events that obscured the true value of the MLs during the early going.  They are being short-changed and don't realize it.


Edited by pataburd - 3/6/14 at 6:16am
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Originally Posted by vlenbo View Post

The reason id mod them is because i find these to be more analytical than musical.

I want them to be more fun sounding while retaining the clarity.

Thats why im looking for a screwdriver!!!!!

Never non-musical to my ears, anyway.

What the Logans pull off--IMHO--is technical mastery (detail, resolution, extension, balance, etc.) coupled with ultimate musicality, which is a tall order.  Most "detail-oriented" headphones I have owned lapsed into at least a slightly cold or clinical tendency (e.g. DT880, K701, SA5000), but NOT the Mikros 90.  They manage to emerge with both detail and commensurate proportions of MUSIC, MUSIC , MUSIC!

 

*EDIT:

The CAD HH-1 [hybid] looks nice.  Uses 2x EC88s.  Not sure if it will unseat the Fitz-improved Bada PH-12 [hybrid] and its 3x 6SN7, though!

 


Edited by pataburd - 3/5/14 at 3:52pm
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Originally Posted by skeptic View Post

 

 

Pending burn in, the Mikros are a definite step behind my Alpha Dogs in overall sound quality (to my ears), but the Alphas cost 9x as much and are far too clunky (again, IMO) to be realistically used as anything other than a stationary headphone.

 

After burning in you might find them only half a step behind the Alpha Dogs. 

 

I'm glad you like them...and welcome to the mental institution.

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It's so true, the women in my life just don't get it, especially about how I treat my gear and my cars, I baby them, they usually stay looking new a very long time, until the GF borrows it, and it gets destroyed... no kidding... Darla the Destroyer.... no not my Mikros...

LOL!

Same way with my wife and my BOOKS!

post #3132 of 6488
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Originally Posted by pataburd View Post
 

Never non-musical to my ears, anyway.

What the Logans pull off--IMHO--is technical mastery (detail, resolution, extension, balance, etc.) coupled with ultimate musicality, which is a tall order.  Most "detail-oriented" headphones I have owned lapsed into at least a slightly cold or clinical tendency (e.g. DT880, K701, SA5000), but NOT the Mikros 90.  They manage to emerge with both detail and commensurate proportions of MUSIC, MUSIC , MUSIC!

Never non-musical from listening to stock PC realteak alc892 chip?

Some songs do tend to lose the musicality with this setup alone. With my galaxy, it sounds musical to the point where I have fun, while retaining analytical qualities as well. Analytical is, to me, where detail is prevalent in the whole spectrum, then the warmth comes second. These are warm for sure, but not warm like the ws99s, which is why these are less musical and more analytical. However, it's only this case with the pc without a DAC, or an amp. It's also the motherboard's chipset that's holding the mikros back. It happens to all my headphones really, even the im02s, which are stated to be warmer than their predecessors, are not full bodied or warm until I use my galaxy. 

 

That's my case anyways. I've only had earphones that had that analytical detail that helped me determine the ratio of the mikros' musicality and technicality (or as I call it, analytical). 60 percent analytical, 40 percent musical in my stock pc. With a galaxy, it's reversed, if not, an added 10 percent to the warmth as well. 70 percent warm, 30 percent analytical.

 

The vocals have warmth, as the instruments also have a hint of warmth with the stock pc, but I hear more detail than anything, and sometimes in games and music, the upper mids and lower treble becomes unnatural, even after 120 hours of burn-in. These logans, however, are not that analytical to the point of fatigue, like the im-02s or ck10s. Yet, I pay attention to the detail more than the song itself sometimes that I forget about the bass. Sometimes, the mids overtake my attention for the highs, a nd vice versa. However, when I use my galaxy, those problems disappear, and I smile widely while playing some plants vs zombays 2.

 

I do agree that these headphones definitely export a beautifully detailed sound spectrum, while sounding musical! But only depending on source unfortunately, at least in my case. Same thing with the audio technica iems, which are similar to the mikros, albeit a bit more detailed in the highs and mids, which can sometimes become fatiguing if not sourced right (not like the logans case where the highs do not ever fatigue no matter what source, but the upper mids do get me a bit dreary sometimes). Thus making the im02s more analytical than the martin logans. 


Edited by vlenbo - 3/5/14 at 2:16pm
post #3133 of 6488
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Originally Posted by vlenbo View Post
 

Never non-musical from listening to stock PC realteak alc892 chip?

Some songs do tend to lose the musicality with this setup alone. With my galaxy, it sounds musical to the point where I have fun, while retaining analytical qualities as well. Analytical is, to me, where detail is prevalent in the whole spectrum, then the warmth comes second. These are warm for sure, but not warm like the ws99s, which is why these are less musical and more analytical. However, it's only this case with the pc without a DAC, or an amp. It's also the motherboard's chipset that's holding the mikros back. It happens to all my headphones really, even the im02s, which are stated to be warmer than their predecessors, are not full bodied or warm until I use my galaxy. 

 

That's my case anyways. I've only had earphones that had that analytical detail that helped me determine the ratio of the mikros' musicality and technicality (or as I call it, analytical). 60 percent analytical, 40 percent musical in my stock pc. With a galaxy, it's reversed, if not, an added 10 percent to the warmth as well. 70 percent warm, 30 percent analytical.

 

The vocals have warmth, as the instruments also have a hint of warmth with the stock pc, but I hear more detail than anything, and sometimes in games and music, the upper mids and lower treble becomes unnatural, even after 120 hours of burn-in. These logans, however, are not that analytical to the point of fatigue, like the im-02s or ck10s. Yet, I pay attention to the detail more than the song itself sometimes that I forget about the bass. Sometimes, the mids overtake my attention for the highs, a nd vice versa. However, when I use my galaxy, those problems disappear, and I smile widely while playing some plants vs zombays 2.

 

I do agree that these headphones definitely export a beautifully detailed sound spectrum, while sounding musical! But only depending on source unfortunately, at least in my case. Same thing with the audio technica iems, which are similar to the mikros, albeit a bit more detailed in the highs and mids, which can sometimes become fatiguing if not sourced right (not like the logans case where the highs do not ever fatigue no matter what source, but the upper mids do get me a bit dreary sometimes). Thus making the im02s more analytical than the martin logans. 

You make some very good points there.

Just auditioned the Burson HA-160 and the PS Audio GCHA with the Mikros 90.  The former sounded terrible, the latter much much better.  The SPL Phonitor sounded awful, too, I thought--pretty much the antithesis of everything the Mikros 90 does well.

Yes, lest we forget, the MLs serve as keen diagnostic tools, sensitive and telling of ANY changes upstream.


Edited by pataburd - 3/5/14 at 2:44pm
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Originally Posted by ericp10 View Post
 

Really digging the Auvio cable with the 90. This is one fantastic headphone. Still not beating the On1, NAD or X1 to my ears, but it's up there in my top four favorites.

After reading your post, I decided to revert to the stock Logans and the Auvio.  I have to tweak/undo my "Mikros Acoustic Suspension" mod, which has  been givin' me a whoopin' for the last two days.  :smile_phones:  

Spritely, tight and sassy, this [Auvio] cable with the Mikros 90.  The Mikros really get their PRaT on with the Auvio!!

Currently diggin' Taj Mahal: The Natchl Blues: "(Gonna Move Up the Country) Paint My Mailbox Blue".

 

GREAT (1968) ALBUM!

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iF0Va8v5BM

 

*EDIT: 

Grateful Dead: American Beauty: "Brokedown Palace".  Excellent bass pitch on this track with the stock Logans.  Great headphones, these Mikros 90!  :smile_phones:


Edited by pataburd - 3/5/14 at 3:36pm
post #3135 of 6488
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Originally Posted by pataburd View Post
 

You make some very good points there.

Just auditioned the Burson HA-160 and the PS Audio GCHA with the Mikros 90.  The former sounded terrible, the latter much much better.  The SPL Phonitor sounded awful, too, I thought.

Yes, lest we forget, the MLs serve as keen diagnostic tools, sensitive and telling of ANY changes upstream.

Let's turn this statement into one of the ten commandments of the martin logans lounge!

 

 

1. THOU SHALL NOT JUDGE THE MIKROS POTENCY WITHOUT ATTEMPTING TO PAIR IT WITH YOUR AVAILABLE SOURCES (and trust these headfiers' recommendations on a good source.)

 

 

Thanks for providing an example, that PS looks mighty fine, now if only I had the monies. :evil: I probably will with ebay, as I can sell my re700s there.

 

And you also made a good point with them being musical, they're not like other headphones that contain fatiguing (or prominent) mids or highs. :basshead:

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