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Originally Posted by waynes world View Post

@bhazard , very happy for your revelation. Tell me about it, I've got such satisfying sound coming out of the 90's and c&c bh amp after 70 hours, that I'm not sure I want to risk the bass-ectomy!

It shifts the sound ever so slightly from analytical to realistic, not to say that these were strictly an analytical phone to begin with. 

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Originally Posted by audioUNfile View Post

I just got ahold of these and I'm really diggin the sound. Really looking forward to burning them in and pitting then against some other headphones. Tha being said I had a question about the fit and I didn't want to sift through 100 pages to find the answer.

I know it's been discussed quite a bit and I read some of the thread, but I can't tell if they just don't fit me correctly of if it's how they fit on the ears. The swivel action constantly creates a feeling of them rotating off my ears a bit and I'm constantly readjusting them to make sure I'm getting the correct seal and not losing any sound.

Do these sit confidently on your ears or are they supposed to take pressure off the back of your ears by rotating towards where your ear and jaw connect?

I know that's confusing. Basically the entire weight of the phone sits close to the front of the ear/jaw bone leaving an uneasy feeling with the swivel where the actual speaker sits on your ear. I don't really have an issue with pressure or clamping but they just don't stay put and rotate so easily I feel like its just a terrible design.

Sorry about the long post. It's a little hard to explain but if someone could shed some light on this for me it would be greatly appreciated!!

Try changing the position of the headband on your skull
 

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Anyone done the mods and regret it?
post #2763 of 5883
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Originally Posted by bhazard View Post
 

It took 50+ hours straight of burn in, but I'm finally a believer.

 

Literally overnight, the sound changed quite a bit. A 30hz tone which barely even registered before, has bumped itself up by a good 4db. I'm normally very VMMV with burn in claims, but I've never heard such a drastic change from one day to another on any piece of audio equipment. It's not perception either, as you'll read on.

 

I'm a clarity basshead. I was understanding the thin bass complaints before. It just wasn't as resolving as claimed, and I was scratching my head wondering how people could think there was enough bass. Now I understand. They actually do now where they didn't before. This is the perfect amount now. I had to push and hold the pads into my ears to get this bass level before, which I desired. Now I don't even need to.

 

Almost every complaint I had has literally disappeared overnight. They still aren't as neutral as I'd like around 4-8khz, but it does sound great. They give an enhancement to vocals which can be nicely desired. Damn WTF. This is just with a Sabre 9023 + SMSL 1+1W.

 

There should be a huge disclaimer on these. They should not be used until they hit this change, no matter if it takes 20 hours or 200. It sounds like a completely different headphone, and you'll know when it happens.

So are we back to not a single person that has given these a proper chance disagrees with them even with the excessive amount of aggressive hyping that we really have?

 

There really are only two things possible here, these headphones are ridiculously good or...

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Originally Posted by Endcode View Post
 

It shifts the sound ever so slightly from analytical to realistic, not to say that these were strictly an analytical phone to begin with. 

 

Which bass-ectomy flavour did you go with again?

 

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Originally Posted by audioUNfile View Post

I just got ahold of these and I'm really diggin the sound. Really looking forward to burning them in and pitting then against some other headphones. Tha being said I had a question about the fit and I didn't want to sift through 100 pages to find the answer.

I know it's been discussed quite a bit and I read some of the thread, but I can't tell if they just don't fit me correctly of if it's how they fit on the ears. The swivel action constantly creates a feeling of them rotating off my ears a bit and I'm constantly readjusting them to make sure I'm getting the correct seal and not losing any sound.

Do these sit confidently on your ears or are they supposed to take pressure off the back of your ears by rotating towards where your ear and jaw connect?

I know that's confusing. Basically the entire weight of the phone sits close to the front of the ear/jaw bone leaving an uneasy feeling with the swivel where the actual speaker sits on your ear. I don't really have an issue with pressure or clamping but they just don't stay put and rotate so easily I feel like its just a terrible design.

Sorry about the long post. It's a little hard to explain but if someone could shed some light on this for me it would be greatly appreciated!!

 

As @Endcode says, adjust the positioning of the headband. I get the same "rotation" feeling if I wear the headband too forward. From there, if I hold the cups against my ears and at the same time move the headband back on my skull farther, the cups then seem to lock onto my ears and all is then good.

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@waynes world I went with dynamat flavored, its delicious
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Originally Posted by robakri View Post
 

So are we back to not a single person that has given these a proper chance disagrees with them even with the excessive amount of aggressive hyping that we really have?

 

There really are only two things possible here, these headphones are ridiculously good or...

 

There is only one way to find out.  :ph34r:

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Originally Posted by Endcode View Post

@waynes world I went with dynamat flavored, its delicious

 

Right:

 

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Meng, I only have 1 pair. Go hard or go home.
For real though, if you turn the cup to its side, then you can put the driver plate flat on the table. 1 strip of dynamat in each cup, then a bit on the back of the driver enclosure. I should probably post a picture...

 

When you say "1 strip of dynamat in each cup", what area does that cover? 

 

And some on the back of the driver?

 

Yes, pics would be good! Pics or it didn't happen lol!

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Originally Posted by bhazard View Post
 

I've set up hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of equipment for amphitheaters, and I make my own speakers for fun, which go through hundreds of measurements to determine proper crossovers, distortion levels, phase, etc. I've noticed burn in before, rarely, mostly based on perception, but not at the level these changed.

 

I wish I had a way to measure this, as my calib equipment can't accurately measure a headphone/earphone.

The good news is that they continue to get better.  How good you thought they were today cannot quite prepare you for how much better they might be tomorrow.  :smile_phones: 


Edited by pataburd - 3/1/14 at 3:22pm
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Originally Posted by audioUNfile View Post

I just got ahold of these and I'm really diggin the sound. Really looking forward to burning them in and pitting then against some other headphones. Tha being said I had a question about the fit and I didn't want to sift through 100 pages to find the answer.

I know it's been discussed quite a bit and I read some of the thread, but I can't tell if they just don't fit me correctly of if it's how they fit on the ears. The swivel action constantly creates a feeling of them rotating off my ears a bit and I'm constantly readjusting them to make sure I'm getting the correct seal and not losing any sound.

Do these sit confidently on your ears or are they supposed to take pressure off the back of your ears by rotating towards where your ear and jaw connect?

I know that's confusing. Basically the entire weight of the phone sits close to the front of the ear/jaw bone leaving an uneasy feeling with the swivel where the actual speaker sits on your ear. I don't really have an issue with pressure or clamping but they just don't stay put and rotate so easily I feel like its just a terrible design.

Sorry about the long post. It's a little hard to explain but if someone could shed some light on this for me it would be greatly appreciated!!

You might have to tilt the headband either slightly forward or backward atop your skull to keep the cups from producing that feeling of impending lift-off.  I'll find and link the post for optimal adjustment.  It began on a thread originated by doctorjazz.  

 

Here you go:

http://www.head-fi.org/t/694010/comparison-of-sennheiser-amperior-beyerdynamic-dt-1350-martin-logan-micros-90-and-yamaha-hph-200-or-how-i-spent-my-winter-vacation#post_10077130

 

Funny, I am currently using two pair.  On one I have to tilt the headband forward to prevent that "ready-to-flip-off-any-minute-now" tendency; but on the other pair I have to tilt the headband backward.  I can feel the spring/torsion in the headband skewing things just a bit off center on the second pair, but not on the first.

 

Personally, I have never found the Mikros 90 fit unduly uncomfortable.  I usually have the front edge of the ear cup bearing on the mandibular spot that you describe.


Edited by pataburd - 3/1/14 at 2:59pm
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Originally Posted by robakri View Post
 

So are we back to not a single person that has given these a proper chance disagrees with them even with the excessive amount of aggressive hyping that we really have?

 

There really are only two things possible here, these headphones are ridiculously good or...


^ Maybe it's one of these instead.......

....... U will BUY these Logans and U will luv dem. Look into the eyes of hypenotoad!!! :triportsad:

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Whoa...did you guys know that there are other threads on this site where folks are actually discussing the merits of phones that are not ML Mikros 90's?  Strange.  Nothing to do, I guess.

 

Bitches Brew this afternoon with the 90's...sweet...very, very sweet.

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Originally Posted by zombywoof View Post
 

Whoa...did you guys know that there are other threads on this site where folks are actually discussing the merits of phones that are not ML Mikros 90's?  Strange.  Nothing to do, I guess.

 

Bitches Brew this afternoon with the 90's...sweet...very, very sweet.


^ ikr, there are other cans besides these and that this place is actually called head-fi instead of logan-fi???!!! :eek:

 

Nah beyatches be trippin'  there is only logan-fi or no-fi.

 

/inter-webz

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Originally Posted by sfwalcer View Post
 


U will BUY these Logans and U will luv dem. Look into the eyes of hypenotoad!!! :triportsad:

I already ordered them a few days ago :D

 

I also know I won't regret my decision because at this point I'm willing to pay 80$ just to see what the fuss is about, there is so much hype - fulfilling my curiosity at this point is just totally worth it :D

 

At the same time a large part of this hobby for me is trying out new headphones and these rarer ones and hyped ones are always very interesting. I haven't bought many phones yet, only 4, they have all lived up to the expectations I have had for them.

 

I disagree with the amount of hype and how everything is so good no matter what you do to this phone because it is becoming a turnoff for people. I'm pretty sure these phones would be getting more attention from people if the guys here would be a little more modest and wouldn't write an article about everything they experience while this phone is on their heads - but that's just my opinion and can be just as wrong as anyones experience with a headphone :D

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Originally Posted by robakri View Post
 

I already ordered them a few days ago :D

 

I also know I won't regret my decision because at this point I'm willing to pay 80$ just to see what the fuss is about, there is so much hype - fulfilling my curiosity at this point is just totally worth it :D

 

At the same time a large part of this hobby for me is trying out new headphones and these rarer ones and hyped ones are always very interesting. I haven't bought many phones yet, only 4, they have all lived up to the expectations I have had for them.

 

I disagree with the amount of hype and how everything is so good no matter what you do to this phone because it is becoming a turnoff for people. I'm pretty sure these phones would be getting more attention from people if the guys here would be a little more modest and wouldn't write an article about everything they experience while this phone is on their heads - but that's just my opinion and can be just as wrong as anyones experience with a headphone :D

We are righting a wrong, overcoming a huge disservice done to these fine headphones, by the early nay-sayers who are all currently eating crow.  

 

If it is a turn-off, so be it.  This thread needs no shrinking violets.  It needs brave hype-artists who are prepared to go head-to-head with those who continue to spin the anti-hype from the early bad press that these headphones unjustly bore.  

 

If people want to cast judgment and aspersions without actually having seriously listened to the Mikros 90, then, frankly, they are encouraged to "sew" elsewhere. 

 

The Mikros 90 will shatter your preconceptions.

 

As I have stated many times already: The Mikros 90 are the best headphones I have ever heard or owned to date.  

 

That is not "HYPE".  That is simply the way it is for me.


Edited by pataburd - 3/1/14 at 3:20pm
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Originally Posted by robakri View Post
 

 

I disagree with the amount of hype and how everything is so good no matter what you do to this phone because it is becoming a turnoff for people. I'm pretty sure these phones would be getting more attention from people if the guys here would be a little more modest and wouldn't write an article about everything they experience while this phone is on their heads - but that's just my opinion and can be just as wrong as anyones experience with a headphone :D

 

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