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post #2476 of 5785
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Originally Posted by Nimzerz View Post



Now this seems reasonable.

 



It's absolutely no pain to any of us if you skip on these - feel free to ignore. Just do not try to assume how good or bad these can sound without ever hearing them. Try them. If you don't like them, sell them. No one is trying to do anything here but express their admiration for a very fine product that many will overlook because of price and (the biggest factor IMO) - preconceptions. Some may not like them (bhazard), but I will say with 100% certainty that his description of the sound in no way, shape, or form resembles how I would describe them. But since you were searching hard to find an opinion that matched your preconception, you have every right to accept his description of the sound as the final ultimate truth.

Which begs the obvious question....why bother reading and posting on this thread?
post #2477 of 5785
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Originally Posted by bhazard View Post
 

You're entitled to your opinion, and they may be more enjoyable to you, but I think the exact opposite of the M90 to the HE-500. It's not even a contest. The HE-500 is far better in every aspect, and I was never 100% thrilled with my HE-500.

 

The Mikros bass under 100hz trails off far before the HE-500, to the tune of -10db or more, and the HE-500 bass isn't even that pushed. HE-500 low level detail is much better than the Mikros when paired with an amp that can give each channel 2 clean watts or more.

The HE-500's midrange is light years better in all aspects of detail. The slight push Hifiman is known for is not neutral, but it is appealing. The Mikros does compare really well here, as I prefer the more neutral sound, but...

The Mikros 90 spikes and dips quite a bit after 2k. In no way is it as neutral, and the HE-500 has its own issues here. Changing the cable alone on the Mikros produces a largely noticeable change in the DB level of cymbals, meaning a lot of this is lost in stock form. Levels that could barely be heard lifted back to where they were supposed to be. This is just from a cable swap, something that shouldn't be required on a $200 MSRP headphone.

Tonal purity, low level detail, overall neutrality, measurements... its not even close.

 

I'm starting to really wonder about the overhype here. I'm ok with hyping the sound quality for the price, but saying it is better than the HE-500 is borderline absurd. I've been burning these in 18+ hours straight hoping that they somehow get better, because they do not sound anywhere near as good or neutral as they are being hyped as. Good yes, but better than HE-500 good? Ridiculous. That just took the hype way too far and starts to kill credibility on what the Mikros actually is.

 

Martin Logan has a hard enough time producing a speaker that can test neutral in a wider than 3ft measurement area head on. They didn't just magically learn to do it on a discontinued headphone. 

^ Dat realism though. 

 

Ya'll are funny, just like how trunks was comparing his WIDE OPEN Sony 900s and saying how those has a much bigger soundstage, etc  etc etc welp no 'ish Sherlock, these Logans is a lil' tiny close back portable, so by even saying that they can competitively compete with those full size cans and can more than hang with them is already EXTREMELY telling how well this lil' sucka performs.

 

Oh c'mon meng, you are talking about OVER HYPED??? Those Pissss_ poor tons. Nuff said. Tyme to let them go meng real or fake they don't really deserve the hype. Those TEAC ZE-1000s is what should get the "Discovery" crown. Those Piss_tons are half the price of these Logans now, and the Logans whopped them silly on all fronts. Even the Nuforce NE700X does, you should really check those out cuz it puts the Pistons into proper perspective tbh.

 

So check your hype as well, and i should know cuz i run the thread on HYPE. : P

http://www.head-fi.org/t/683007/the-hype-appreciation-thread

 

 

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Originally Posted by Nimzerz View Post


Now this seems reasonable.

 

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Originally Posted by elvergun View Post
 

 

Man, a couple of the guys were already fighting over who was going to wield the whip next...and the rest of them were ready to gather at the town square to witness the spectacle. :(

 

 

^

Looks like we got a lil' mutiny brewing, behead it before it grows outta' control!!! Kill it with FYRE!!!

 

 

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Cheetos flavour; hmm I don't order much stuff so maybe it's normal but in my box, the shock absorb packaging foam were yellow and heavily smelled like stale Cheetos:popcorn:

 

 

^ Nice now you get a lil' treat with these Logans as well. WIN WIN!!! Who can say no to Cheetos??? LMAO

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by vlenbo View Post
 

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....:triportsad:

 

THEY ARE FRIGGING FANTASTIC! They are damn sweet man! The go-dap has that nice warmth, but not too much to destroy the SQ of the phones that I own, and the bass level is up to speed with how I want it, sounding a bit fuller, tastier..almost, like you put it, ws99 like for the mikros here.

 

Money well spent!

 

And if you have an extra pair of teacs...do you mind selling me one? :) I didn't get to buy it, one because ebay doesn't accept credit cards, and two, my friend didn't understand how urgent it was to assist me in buying this damn phone. I have a feeling though, that it is not the last time we'll see the teac in a $30 package.

^ Nice glad you like it that much. Sorry meng about those TEACs cuz i tried to get a 2nd set myself but the seller over sold and refunded me my 2nd purchase. : (

 

Dat one mofo that cleared him out cleared him out REAL GUD and REAL FAST!!! :triportsad:

 

Ass hats like that ruins it for everyone, sigh.

 

Hope to see them for $30 again as well.

 

More peps needs to hear them.

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by elvergun View Post
 

 

Ridiculous.

 

 

Think of all the money you saved by not falling for the hype.  Nice going.

 

 

 

 

Looks like people are finally seeing through the carefully crafted deception...

 

 

 

 

...and they are getting off this hype train.  :(

^ No need to worry, they might be getting off dat train but i gots my Troll Train ready to go. hoho

 

There is no ESCAPE!!! :veryevil:

.... ALL ABOARD!!!

 

 

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Originally Posted by vlenbo View Post
 

I KNEW IT!

 

 

Haters are now using the mongrel label on us!

 

Help me mama!!!

 

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^ NO ONE CURRRRRS!!!

..... :tongue: 


Edited by sfwalcer - 2/27/14 at 11:49am
post #2478 of 5785
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Originally Posted by Cagin View Post

 

Now on my ATH-ES7, I know there were hisses, but definately not as pronounced/annoying as with the Mikros. How's it sound to you guys? That's sibilance right?

The ATH-ES7 had more bass too, maybe that helped me endure it. 

 

Yes, that is sibilance. I hear it with the Mikros, and to a bit lesser degree with the M500's, and I don't hear it with the X1's. I don't encounter sibilance like that hardly ever from my music collection thankfully. She has a nice voice, but I guess if I listened to it all of the time, I might get a bit annoyed with it.

 

Side note: I am listening to that video now with my X1's, and I can actually feel my earlobes vibrating lol. Never noticed that effect before. Maybe it has something to do with having just had the 90's pressing against my ears for the last few hours.

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Originally Posted by Trunks159 View Post
 

Now compared to $100 headphones, its a 5/5 all the way through.

Absolutely, I agree. Some of the claims are just a "little" overboard however, making things seem less genuine.

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Originally Posted by bhazard View Post
 

Absolutely, I agree. Some of the claims are just a "little" overboard however, making things seem less genuine.


^ Touche meng touche. ;)

post #2481 of 5785
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Originally Posted by bhazard View Post

Absolutely, I agree. Some of the claims are just a "little" overboard however, making things seem less genuine.
Would you still say to choose it over my DIY option? I have no reference for the stratoKOSSter so idk how it would compare to any headphone. All I know is people seem to still enjoy it.
post #2482 of 5785
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Originally Posted by Nimzerz View Post

Would you still say to choose it over my DIY option? I have no reference for the stratoKOSSter so idk how it would compare to any headphone. All I know is people seem to still enjoy it.

 

I say do both. Seriously. I just threw on my Sporatpros (drivers on parts express headband), expecting to be disgusted with them after listening to the Mikros 90's. Nope. Really lovely signature. Not nearly as technically proficient as the 90's, but very enjoyable nonetheless. I am assuming that the statoKOSSters would sound pretty darned good. So, do both!

 

One thing going for the Mikros 90's though is that the mods are very easy to do and easily reversible if you choose to sell them.

post #2483 of 5785
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Originally Posted by bhazard View Post
 

Absolutely, I agree. Some of the claims are just a "little" overboard however, making things seem less genuine.

 

You just need to accept your assimilation

 

 

;)

post #2484 of 5785
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Originally Posted by waynes world View Post

 

I say do both. Seriously. I just threw on my Sporatpros (drivers on parts express headband), expecting to be disgusted with them after listening to the Mikros 90's. Nope. Really lovely signature. Not nearly as technically proficient as the 90's, but very enjoyable nonetheless. I am assuming that the statoKOSSters would sound pretty darned good. So, do both!

 

One thing going for the Mikros 90's though is that the mods are very easy to do and easily reversible if you choose to sell them.

 



I have the Porta-Pro's myself. After the Mikros break-in (currently ongoing - about 40-50 hours so far), I don't really listen to the Porta Pro's for anything resembling serious listening anymore, although they are warm, smooth and inoffensive. I just lose too much of the music's nuances and artist's intent. But I still use them at work from time to time when I need to be able to hear around me, and I am definitely not disgusted by them either.
post #2485 of 5785
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Originally Posted by waynes world View Post
 

 

I say do both. Seriously. I just threw on my Sporatpros (drivers on parts express headband), expecting to be disgusted with them after listening to the Mikros 90's. Nope. Really lovely signature. Not nearly as technically proficient as the 90's, but very enjoyable nonetheless. I am assuming that the statoKOSSters would sound pretty darned good. So, do both!

 

One thing going for the Mikros 90's though is that the mods are very easy to do and easily reversible if you choose to sell them.

 

I have the Porta-Pro's myself. After the Mikros break-in (currently ongoing - about 40-50 hours so far), I don't really listen to the Porta Pro's for anything resembling serious listening anymore, although they are warm, smooth and inoffensive. I just lose too much of the music's nuances and artist's intent. But I still use them at work from time to time when I need to be able to hear around me, and I am definitely not disgusted by them either.

 

I hear ya. I'm probably more about my preferred sound signature than details. I think that once I do the bass mods on the 90's though, I'll have the best of both worlds.

post #2486 of 5785
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Originally Posted by waynes world View Post

I say do both. Seriously. I just threw on my Sporatpros (drivers on parts express headband), expecting to be disgusted with them after listening to the Mikros 90's. Nope. Really lovely signature. Not nearly as technically proficient as the 90's, but very enjoyable nonetheless. I am assuming that the statoKOSSters would sound pretty darned good. So, do both!

One thing going for the Mikros 90's though is that the mods are very easy to do and easily reversible if you choose to sell them.
Which would you recommend first? Also, the parts for the stratokosster would probably add up to around the same as the mikros, meaning that id like it to be on par with ENJOYABILITY over TECHNICALLY. I care more about headtime than technical superiority.
post #2487 of 5785
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Originally Posted by bhazard View Post

 

I'm starting to really wonder about the overhype here. I'm ok with hyping the sound quality for the price, but saying it is better than the HE-500 is borderline absurd. I've been burning these in 18+ hours straight hoping that they somehow get better, because they do not sound anywhere near as good or neutral as they are being hyped as. Good yes, but better than HE-500 good? Ridiculous. That just took the hype way too far and starts to kill credibility on what the Mikros actually is.

 

Martin Logan has a hard enough time producing a speaker that can test neutral in a wider than 3ft measurement area head on. They didn't just magically learn to do it on a discontinued headphone. 

They need more than 18 hours.  The MLs have a LENGTHY, SLOW burn-in, on the order of 300 hours (IMHO).

 

Your HE-500 hype will be taken under consideration [e.g. "midrange "light years ahead of the Mikros"--deleted] .  

 

But I will repeat: I do not miss my HE-500 in the least.  

Now, to me, these are a product that have been hyped out of proportion.

They are, admittedly, a fine mid-centric set of cans, but with notable treble and bass roll-off [e.g. compared to the HE-5LE, HE-6 and Mikros 90].  

HifiMAN appealed to the popular crowd on the 500 venture and grabbed up a sizable market share and fierce proponents, like yourself.  

It is/was the same way with the M500 in terms of popular appeal and the attendant "pop" mid-centric/mid-emphasized sound signature.

 

You are entitled to your opinion, and I respect that.  But I think this thread, my "hype" and the nature of the Mikros 90 pose a challenge to the status quo, and to users' biases and preconceptions.

I bought the Mikros 90 on a lark, because they were cheap.  Now I find myself with no HE-500, -5LE or -6, but with six pairs of Mikros 90, five or six amplifiers and on a bid to upgrade my source in order to discover what other hidden gems reside in the MLs.  

How can a discounted, discontinued $70 product give me more technical and musical satisfaction than a $1500 product?  It staggers the imagination.  It gets devotees of those other brands agitated.  It is paradoxical.

For my ears, the Mikros 90 are simply better than the HE-6 [and by syllogism the HE-500].  Others, like Lors, have put the Mikros on par with the best characteristics of other top-tier cans.  

No one "has to like" the Mikros 90; but no one "has to like" the HE-500, either.  

But in MY experience, the Mikros 90 can go head-to-head with the best out there--including popular Head-Fi "darlings" like the HE-500--and do admirably well [if not better].  

 

Run them with your top tier gear and they will amaze you with their seemingly limitless reserves.  

The MLs "scale up" extremely well and will eliminate competitors as the upstream gear improves.  

On lesser sources, for example, I thought the M500 sounded respectable alongside the Mikros 90.  But on my best gear, the MLs sounded a LOT better, the M500 not so much so.  The gap widened appreciably and showed me how static the KEF's signature actually was compared to the ML's. 


Edited by pataburd - 2/27/14 at 2:24pm
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What's funny about that post is that you argue about bass extension on the he500 vs the he5le being technically worse--yet the mikros has SIGNIFICANTLY less bass extension than any of those models.
post #2489 of 5785

Folks, how can I get these shipped to EU for reasonable price?

 

Amazon deal for $79 cannot ship them to me :( , however for the $99 it adds another $30 shipping - so that's not deal-breaker anymore.

 

Newegg is for US only as far as I know?

 

 

@bhazar:

 

How would you compare Mikros 90 to your Pro 80?

post #2490 of 5785
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Originally Posted by elvergun View Post
 

 

Ridiculous.

 

 

Think of all the money you saved by not falling for the hype.  Nice going.

 

 

 

 

Looks like people are finally seeing through the carefully crafted deception...

 

 

 

 

...and they are getting off this hype train.  :(

Bye!  Bye!  now.

LOL

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