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Originally Posted by sfwalcer View Post

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.... Godfather Pata Hypa' taking down Logan 90s haterz naysayerz like a BOSS!!! cool.gif

This Thread is gonna' be the death of me. LMAO : P





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I had such fatiguing listning experiences as well, cuz after i listen to these Logans via my ipod nano/ ventrurecraft DAP set up which is really tight and clean sounding makes my ears ring a bit after couple of hours, hence i attribute this to the more crisp upper mids/ lower treble peak, etc etc or what nots due to it's forwardness/ lushness.

BUT i experience no such listening fatigue, or very little off of my FiiO dac/Schiit Vali desktop setup which is more full, with better/ bigger bass and is less crisp/ sharp sounding compared to my portable set up, so............... this makes me believe that your source has A LOT to do with the "peaks" and fatiguing some of ya'll are having.

My 2 cents.
You think? It's a fact meng! Say it loud and clear!

It MUST be a source problem.

I had other reference earphones like the ck10s, and now the im-02s..

Those are VERY picky in source

That is the reason why I hated reference headphones, and is why I didn't like the mikros, at least initially. Reference earphones require a lot d dedication in finding the right source, and for my items like the im-02s, I haven't bothered pairing it up with a good source as my Samsung galaxy tones down Sili bane from both mikros and im02s.

They also gain more bass power and impact, and with this go-dap, I'm in for a world of a treat!
Edited by vlenbo - 2/27/14 at 10:44am
post #2462 of 6303
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Originally Posted by elvergun View Post
 

 

That's how good these are...

 

 

...well, that and the fact that our dictator...err...pataburd allows no dissension in this thread.

 

I do admit that Pata's passion is reminiscent of The Dictator's great speech scene

 

I'm a naysayer, but I ain't leaving the madhouse until I'm cured or succomb to my schizophrenia, for if the Mikros tell it like it is (reality) and I don't like it.

 

nb: crap in crap out, my source is definately crap, recordings/mastery must be too (even if I use flac), my ears aren't balanced (right ear slighty deafened compared to left).

 

edit: reason why I'm gonna wait my Fiio X-5 before I attempt taming the HOLE, and ordering any custom cables.


Edited by Cagin - 2/27/14 at 10:50am
post #2463 of 6303
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Originally Posted by vlenbo View Post


You think? It's a fact meng! Say it loud and clear!

It MUST be a source problem.

I had other reference earphones like the ck10s, and now the im-02s..

Those are VERY picky in source

That is the reason why I hated reference headphones, and is why I didn't like the mikros, at least initially. Reference earphones require a lot d dedication in finding the right source, and for my items like the im-02s, I haven't bothered pairing it up with a good source as my Samsung galaxy tones down Sili bane from both mikros and im02s.

They also gain more bass power and impact, and with this go-dap, I'm in for a world of a treat!

 

^ Welp it seems like you are enjoying the Go_DAP. They are damn sweet right??? And not just cuz they are sooo cheap but it sure doesn't hurt...... the wallet as well. haha

 

You got those TEAC ZE-1000s in yet???

post #2464 of 6303
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Originally Posted by pataburd View Post
 

I owned the HE-500 and a/b-ed them against the HE-5LE, preferring the 5LE (by a wide margin), which I felt were more balanced and more extended in both bass and treble.

I then a/b-ed the HE-5LE against the HE-6 and preferred the HE-6, which I felt were more balanced than the HE-5LE and cleaner overall.

I subsequently sold my HE-6 after a/b-ing them with the Mikros 90.

 

So: Mikros 90 > HE-6 > HE-5LE > HE-500.

 

IMHO, the HE-500's bass does not extend as deep nor stay as flat and clean as the bass on the Mikros 90.  

IMHO,  the HE-500's midrange is not as clean, detailed or coherent as that of the Mikros 90.

IMHO the HE-500 are rolled off in the treble compared to the Mikros 90.  

IMHO the HE-500 cannot resolve low level detail as well as the Mikros 90.    

IMHO the Mikros 90 are also more coherent from top to bottom than the HE-500.  

IMHO, the Mikros 90 trump the HE-500 in tonal purity.

 

In fact, for me, I can't think of anything the HE-500 effectively do "more" than the Mikros 90 other than COST MORE.

 

I view the popular following for the HE-500 as analogous to the highly touted/popular following for the KEF M500 portables.  These headphones have a pedestrian "pop" signature.

 

To me, HE-500 is mid-fi; Mikros 90 is hi-fi

You're entitled to your opinion, and they may be more enjoyable to you, but I think the exact opposite of the M90 to the HE-500. It's not even a contest. The HE-500 is far better in every aspect, and I was never 100% thrilled with my HE-500.

 

The Mikros bass under 100hz trails off far before the HE-500, to the tune of -10db or more, and the HE-500 bass isn't even that pushed. HE-500 low level detail is much better than the Mikros when paired with an amp that can give each channel 2 clean watts or more.

The HE-500's midrange is light years better in all aspects of detail. The slight push Hifiman is known for is not neutral, but it is appealing. The Mikros does compare really well here, as I prefer the more neutral sound, but...

The Mikros 90 spikes and dips quite a bit after 2k. In no way is it as neutral, and the HE-500 has its own issues here. Changing the cable alone on the Mikros produces a largely noticeable change in the DB level of cymbals, meaning a lot of this is lost in stock form. Levels that could barely be heard lifted back to where they were supposed to be. This is just from a cable swap, something that shouldn't be required on a $200 MSRP headphone.

Tonal purity, low level detail, overall neutrality, measurements... its not even close.

 

I'm starting to really wonder about the overhype here. I'm ok with hyping the sound quality for the price, but saying it is better than the HE-500 is borderline absurd. I've been burning these in 18+ hours straight hoping that they somehow get better, because they do not sound anywhere near as good or neutral as they are being hyped as. Good yes, but better than HE-500 good? Ridiculous. That just took the hype way too far and starts to kill credibility on what the Mikros actually is.

 

Martin Logan has a hard enough time producing a speaker that can test neutral in a wider than 3ft measurement area head on. They didn't just magically learn to do it on a discontinued headphone. 


Edited by bhazard - 2/27/14 at 11:07am
post #2465 of 6303
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Originally Posted by pataburd View Post
 

Let's administer the "wait-n-see" before the whip.

 

Man, a couple of the guys were already fighting over who was going to wield the whip next...and the rest of them were ready to gather at the town square to witness the spectacle. :(

 

 

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Originally Posted by bhazard View Post

That is your opinion, but I think the exact opposite of the M90 to the HE-500. It's not even a contest. The HE-500 is far better in every aspect.

The Mikros bass under 100hz trails off far before the HE-500, to the tune of -10db or more, and the HE-500 bass isn't even that pushed. HE-500 low level detail is much better than the Mirkos when paired with an amp that can give each channel 2 clean watts or more.
The HE-500's midrange is light years better in all aspects of detail. The slight push Hifiman is known for is not neutral, but it is appealing.
The Mikros 90 spikes and dips quite a bit after 2k. In no way is it as neutral, and the HE-500 has its own issues here. Changing the cable alone on the Mikros produces a largely noticeable change in the DB level of cymbals, meaning a lot of this is lost in stock form.
Tonal purity, low level detail, neutrality, measurements... its not even close.

I'm starting to really wonder about the overhype here. I'm ok with hyping the sound quality for the price, but saying it is better than the HE-500 is borderline absurd. I've been burning these in 12+ hours straight hoping that they somehow get better, because they do not sound anywhere near as good or neutral as they are being hyped as. Good yes, but better than HE-500 good? Ridiculous.

Martin Logan has a hard enough time producing a speaker that can test neutral in a wider than 3ft measurement area head on. They didn't just magically learn to do it on a discontinued headphone. 
Now this seems reasonable.
post #2467 of 6303
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Originally Posted by hatefulsandwich View Post


I'm worried about import duties here, too. Our import duties don't seem to be based on any structured system. I've had import duties on some cheap electronics items cost more than the items themselves. There's also been talk of hiking up import duties lately because businesses here are suffering (not surprising when items being sold here cost more than double the international equivalent). There's no way to get clarification on import duties either because Africa.

The reason I bought two sets was actually so I could recoup some of the expense of getting them here. Only cost an additional $10 shipping for another pair.

Of course, I may change my mind about selling the second pair when I get them biggrin.gif.

Oh, and dare I ask.... Cheetos flavour?
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Cheetos flavour; hmm I don't order much stuff so maybe it's normal but in my box, the shock absorb packaging foam were yellow and heavily smelled like stale Cheetos:popcorn:

 

 

post #2468 of 6303
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Originally Posted by sfwalcer View Post
 

 

^ Welp it seems like you are enjoying the Go_DAP. They are damn sweet right??? And not just cuz they are sooo cheap but it sure doesn't hurt...... the wallet as well. haha

 

You got those TEAC ZE-1000s in yet???

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....:triportsad:

 

THEY ARE FRIGGING FANTASTIC! They are damn sweet man! The go-dap has that nice warmth, but not too much to destroy the SQ of the phones that I own, and the bass level is up to speed with how I want it, sounding a bit fuller, tastier..almost, like you put it, ws99 like for the mikros here.

 

Money well spent!

 

And if you have an extra pair of teacs...do you mind selling me one? :) I didn't get to buy it, one because ebay doesn't accept credit cards, and two, my friend didn't understand how urgent it was to assist me in buying this damn phone. I have a feeling though, that it is not the last time we'll see the teac in a $30 package.

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Originally Posted by robakri View Post
 

 

:D

 

Personally never heard a difference with cables but I was just wondering since you guys have been pretty specific with cables and hearing a lot of differences - it just seemed logical to me that a longer cable would have more resistance and therefore might sound differently. I'm most excited to listen to jazz with these cans though, it is something I have grown quite fond of after acquiring the pro80s

Wait until we tap under that headband! Why stop at that headphone plughole, heck if we're ready to go $$$, why not a full inner recabling too, or 2 plugs, or just inner matching recabling but enlarged plughole for universal 3.5 plug fittings :gs1000smile:

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Firstly let me get this admission out of the way: I watch "The Voice". There, I said it!

 

The first singer in the first audition was a girl name Christina Grimmie. She sang. She blew me away. She had mentioned that she has youtube videos posted, so I found them and this is one of them:

 

 

Sounds pretty darned good to me on the 90's. Something tells me she might do okay lol.

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Originally Posted by bhazard View Post

 

 

I'm starting to really wonder about the overhype here. I'm ok with hyping the sound quality for the price, but saying it is better than the HE-500 is borderline absurd.

 

Good yes, but better than HE-500 good? Ridiculous.

 

Ridiculous.

 

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Originally Posted by Nimzerz View Post


Now this seems reasonable.

 

Think of all the money you saved by not falling for the hype.  Nice going.

 

 

 

 

Looks like people are finally seeing through the carefully crafted deception...

 

 

 

 

...and they are getting off this hype train.  :(

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I KNEW IT!

 

 

Haters are now using the mongrel label on us!

 

Help me mama!!!

 

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Originally Posted by vlenbo View Post
 

I KNEW IT!

 

 

Haters are now using the mongrel label on us!

 

Help me mama!!!

 

20120416-american-decline-statue-of-liberty.jpg

post #2474 of 6303
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Originally Posted by waynes world View Post
 

Firstly let me get this admission out of the way: I watch "The Voice". There, I said it!

 

The first singer in the first audition was a girl name Christina Grimmie. She sang. She blew me away. She had mentioned that she has youtube videos posted, so I found them and this is one of them:

 

Sounds pretty darned good to me on the 90's. Something tells me she might do okay lol.

Gave me the idea to revisit Daniela Andrade, I remember liking listening to her Wild Youth cover of Daughter 

 

Now on my ATH-ES7, I know there were hisses, but definately not as pronounced/annoying as with the Mikros. How's it sound to you guys? That's sibilance right?

The ATH-ES7 had more bass too, maybe that helped me endure it. 


Edited by Cagin - 2/27/14 at 11:37am
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Originally Posted by bhazard View Post
 

You're entitled to your opinion, and they may be more enjoyable to you, but I think the exact opposite of the M90 to the HE-500. It's not even a contest. The HE-500 is far better in every aspect, and I was never 100% thrilled with my HE-500.

 

The Mikros bass under 100hz trails off far before the HE-500, to the tune of -10db or more, and the HE-500 bass isn't even that pushed. HE-500 low level detail is much better than the Mikros when paired with an amp that can give each channel 2 clean watts or more.

The HE-500's midrange is light years better in all aspects of detail. The slight push Hifiman is known for is not neutral, but it is appealing. The Mikros does compare really well here, as I prefer the more neutral sound, but...

The Mikros 90 spikes and dips quite a bit after 2k. In no way is it as neutral, and the HE-500 has its own issues here. Changing the cable alone on the Mikros produces a largely noticeable change in the DB level of cymbals, meaning a lot of this is lost in stock form. Levels that could barely be heard lifted back to where they were supposed to be. This is just from a cable swap, something that shouldn't be required on a $200 MSRP headphone.

Tonal purity, low level detail, overall neutrality, measurements... its not even close.

 

I'm starting to really wonder about the overhype here. I'm ok with hyping the sound quality for the price, but saying it is better than the HE-500 is borderline absurd. I've been burning these in 18+ hours straight hoping that they somehow get better, because they do not sound anywhere near as good or neutral as they are being hyped as. Good yes, but better than HE-500 good? Ridiculous. That just took the hype way too far and starts to kill credibility on what the Mikros actually is.

 

Martin Logan has a hard enough time producing a speaker that can test neutral in a wider than 3ft measurement area head on. They didn't just magically learn to do it on a discontinued headphone. 

Don't even remember anyone saying they're better than the HE-500.  pataburd likes them more than the HE-6 (with his expensive setup, and fancy cables :p), which is totally different.   I haven't heard the HE-500 so I don't know.  One thing you mustn't do is try to stop the Mikros hype train so abruptly.  These people are a little…passionate.

 

For the price of $100, these cans are an actual steal.  People like to throw that word around, calling something like the DT880 at $200 a steal, or something like that a steal when the price shouldn't have been that high to begin with.  Against the WS99, FC300, M500, etc, the Mikros wins in the midrange and treble.  They do however loose out to the MDR MA900 in soundstage, which is reeeeeeealy important.  The Mikros will pull out a ton of detailes, and give you a nice timbre, accompanied with an OK soundstage (acceptable).  The MA900's soundstage is so large, you have to hear it to understand it.

 

Bass- 3.5/5- Great in quantity, only slightly lacks in extension and size or realism.  This is because of the small design.

Mids- 4.5/5- Defeats the mids of any and every closed can I've heard.  Vocals do well, but are too forward.

Highs- 4/5 The lower mids were already mentioned.  It only acts up on certain tracks, and is veeery volume dependent.  The upper highs could be raised more to introduce more air.

Soundstage- 4/5- great depth, but it's not very wide.

 

Fiio X3, stock cable, no mods.

 

Now compared to $100 headphones, its a 5/5 all the way through.

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