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post #16 of 59
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Originally Posted by ClieOS View Post

Neutron for me. Measured it with RMAA and it outperforms Poweramp easily. Actually Poweramp measured only as good (or IMO, as bad) as the stock music player on my GT7+.

Too bad the UI of Neutron is such a spectacular fail. Maybe it does perform better than Poweramp or the stock player, but since I don't use IEM's, I'd probably never notice. The GT7+ doesn't sound as good as my Clip Zip or my Classic 7G, but honestly I wouldn't expect it to.

post #17 of 59
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Originally Posted by Achmedisdead View Post

Too bad the UI of Neutron is such a spectacular fail. Maybe it does perform better than Poweramp or the stock player, but since I don't use IEM's, I'd probably never notice. The GT7+ doesn't sound as good as my Clip Zip or my Classic 7G, but honestly I wouldn't expect it to.

Why would you need an IEM to notice SQ difference? Personally, I find GT7+ with Neutron almost as good as Clip+.
post #18 of 59

I think the OP is going to use their S3 with a USB DAC though, in which case they might as well get the app with the better UI.

post #19 of 59
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Originally Posted by ClieOS View Post


Why would you need an IEM to notice SQ difference? Personally, I find GT7+ with Neutron almost as good as Clip+.

The greater sensitivity and isolation, perhaps?

post #20 of 59
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Originally Posted by NZtechfreak View Post

I think the OP is going to use their S3 with a USB DAC though, in which case they might as well get the app with the better UI.

Actually it has nothing to do with what USB DAC he used. The key is that the stock audio driver in Android is very much sub-par in performance, and that's what most of the music player apps used underneath their fancy UI. Hey I was a poweramp user as well and it is the first app I purchased. But the thing that Neutron player does right is to have its own audio driver to get around the poor sounding stock audio driver. It is tha same thing iBasso does with their Android running DX100 - they write their own audio driver in order to take advantage of the hardware they have put in.
Edited by ClieOS - 10/30/12 at 7:50pm
post #21 of 59

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Originally Posted by ClieOS View Post


Actually it has nothing to do with what USB DAC he used. The key is that the stock audio driver in Android is very much sub-par in performance, and that's what most of the music player apps used underneath their fancy UI. Hey I was a poweramp user as well and it is the first app I purchased. But the thing that Neutron player does right is to have its own audio driver to get around the poor sounding stock audio driver. It is tha same thing iBasso does with their Android running DX100 - they write their own audio driver in order to take advantage of the hardware they have put in.

 

If you're using a USB DAC via USB audio out I don't think the Android stock audio driver has any relevance does it? It's all being handled off device.

post #22 of 59
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Originally Posted by NZtechfreak View Post

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If you're using a USB DAC via USB audio out I don't think the Android stock audio driver has any relevance does it? It's all being handled off device.

What do you think is handling those digital data and send it to the external DAC? It is that same driver that handles the same data sending them to the internal DAC in the first place. A DAC chip is just a piece of chip if there is no software to send it that data, and when the software isn't up-to-par, everything downstream will get affected.
post #23 of 59

The way I see it, its Audio File -> Driver -> Interface -> DAC -> External.

 

The interface can be changed.

post #24 of 59
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Originally Posted by ClieOS View Post


What do you think is handling those digital data and send it to the external DAC? It is that same driver that handles the same data sending them to the internal DAC in the first place. A DAC chip is just a piece of chip if there is no software to send it that data, and when the software isn't up-to-par, everything downstream will get affected.

 

Samsungs USB audio drivers are handling it, it is bypassing the Android audio flinger.

post #25 of 59
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Originally Posted by NZtechfreak View Post

Samsungs USB audio drivers are handling it, it is bypassing the Android audio flinger.

...and sadly these Samsung audio drivers are not always best sounding either, especially on the older device.
Edited by ClieOS - 11/1/12 at 11:40pm
post #26 of 59
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Samsungs USB audio drivers are handling it, it is bypassing the Android audio flinger.

 

I don't see why Samsung would use their own driver, when Android already supports the devices.

post #27 of 59
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Originally Posted by proton007 View Post

 

I don't see why Samsung would use their own driver, when Android already supports the devices.

 

Android does not support them. Jelly Bean has USB audio but it is not a standard implementation, and it does not work with DACs without Root-required modifications to the stock software. It only works with devices made to Googles USB audio specifications. Samsung added their own USB audio drivers to the S3 (confirmed by Supercurio), and that is why it does work with regular USB audio devices.


Edited by NZtechfreak - 11/2/12 at 12:50am
post #28 of 59
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Originally Posted by ClieOS View Post


...and sadly these Samsung audio drivers are not always best sounding either, especially on the older device.

 

Those Samsung drivers do not exist on any device older than the Galaxy S3, it was the first device to have USB audio drivers for Samsung. The drivers you are talking about are not the same and I don't think they have any relevance to this discussion (where we're talking about the particular music player possibly being less important to the OP given they are using USB audio, not the rest of the thread as a whole).

 

All this information is here guys in the Android USB audio thread, if you want to read further around it.


Edited by NZtechfreak - 11/2/12 at 1:14am
post #29 of 59
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Originally Posted by NZtechfreak View Post

 

Android does not support them. Jelly Bean has USB audio but it is not a standard implementation, and it does not work with DACs without Root-required modifications to the stock software. It only works with devices made to Googles USB audio specifications. Samsung added their own USB audio drivers to the S3 (confirmed by Supercurio), and that is why it does work with regular USB audio devices.

 

Oh I see. You're talking about USB audio driver. 

I'm not sure why the USB Audio Class cannot be utilized. I think there are some modified kernels out there that support it. But yes, you do need Root.


Edited by proton007 - 11/2/12 at 12:54am
post #30 of 59
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Originally Posted by NZtechfreak View Post

Those Samsung drivers do not exist on any device older than the Galaxy S3, it was the first device to have USB audio drivers for Samsung. The drivers you are talking about are not the same and I don't think they have any relevance to this discussion (where we're talking about the particular music player possibly being less important to the OP given they are using USB audio, not the rest of the thread as a whole).

All this information is here guys in the Android USB audio thread, if you want to read further around it.

So I guess the assumption is, since it is USB Audio Class, any and all music player should sound the same on S3 when used with an external USB DAC? It will be interesting if someone can do a proper measurement to see if that's the case or not. Thanks for the correction anyway. Samsung already announced a Jelly Bean update for GT7+, so I guess I'll have a chance to pay with the USB Audio Drive once the new firmware is released. But give how slow Samsung usually is, that could be a long wait.
Edited by ClieOS - 11/2/12 at 5:38am
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