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post #916 of 1025
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Originally Posted by StanD View Post
 

Gee they all spec flat responses way above audio. If anyone of them advertised a roll off, their sales would roll off. If one wants roll off they can use EQ,  A subtle difference isn't going to take the "edge" off of what one hears.

 

How much you got to bet on what's in bold?

 

Again, who said anything about advertised roll off?  Gee Whiz.  :cool:

 

It seems you haven't actually heard very much.  

post #917 of 1025
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Originally Posted by StanD View Post
 

Gee they all spec flat responses way above audio. If anyone of them advertised a roll off, their sales would roll off. If one wants roll off they can use EQ,  A subtle difference isn't going to take the "edge" off of what one hears.

 

About differences in sound between quality DACs.  IMO most people are swayed by the chatter and their imagination fills in the details.

I thought that may be the stance you took, however, I'm still uncertain if this is from just reading papers or from first hand experience. 

post #918 of 1025
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That's not what para is saying.  All DACs do not sound the same.  Different DACs chips, different output stages.  Yes the difference are small / subtle - but they're still there.  If you know what you look out for.  Not saying you don't - I'm just saying..

So who would rather be up all night focusing on tiny details that the human brain adjusts to, rather than sit back and enjoy the music?

post #919 of 1025
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Originally Posted by StanD View Post
 

So who would rather be up all night focusing on tiny details that the human brain adjusts to, rather than sit back and enjoy the music?

 

Not me.

 

But when it comes down to what DAC to purchase.  I do my homework (with my ears)... 

post #920 of 1025
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post
 

 

How much you got to bet on what's in bold?

 

Again, who said anything about advertised roll off?  Gee Whiz.  :cool:

 

It seems you haven't actually heard very much.  

Perhaps I've heard plenty and I'm not so swayed by the chatter to over exaggerate the tiniest of details. Roll off is easily measures, I haven't seen any tests that show anything significant. So can you hear a 0.1 dB difference?

post #921 of 1025
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post
 

 I use to like to best detail retrieval possible, I've found out that does not all ways = the best musical reproduction.  So now I've turned in a different direction.  

 

Just saying..

Yeah this is where I am too. Granted I haven't heard gear as high end as you and others but I'm defo appreciating musicality and a fuller sound over anything else at the mo. The HD800 probably has a lot to do with this. Having a good window onto your source and amp can go either way. Either make you marvel at the finer details or cringe at how bad your all time fave records sound...  

post #922 of 1025
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I thought that may be the stance you took, however, I'm still uncertain if this is from just reading papers or from first hand experience. 

Perhaps I have more firsthand experience than you might and am not so easily influenced by what people parrot on the forums. I listen carefully to what comes out of the cans. I work with people on Wall Street that buy expensive things that they can't even appreciate. Because of this I've listened to and sampled a large variety of equipment in a quiet setting not a noisy store or meetup. Once you get into decent DACs and Amps, the most significant differences are in the headphones that you plug into the amp. As far as amps go, a good tube amp will introduce some even order harmonic distortion that some people prefer. That will be more influential to the sound than a DAC (leave the $50 wonders out of this)

post #923 of 1025
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Originally Posted by StanD View Post
 

Perhaps I've heard plenty and I'm not so swayed by the chatter to over exaggerate the tiniest of details. Roll off is easily measures, I haven't seen any tests that show anything significant. So can you hear a 0.1 dB difference?

 

It seems like your a measurements person.  So what DAC's have you actually heard / owned?

 

No I can't .  However, I can hear how different the crash of the cymbals sound from different DACs with the same amp and headphones.  

 

What it sounds like your saying to me is up to a certain price point (what ever that is).  You are in the  "All Dacs sound the same" camp.

 

What price point would that be - if this is the case?

post #924 of 1025
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post
 

 

Not me.

 

But when it comes down to what DAC to purchase.  I do my homework (with my ears)... 

So where do you go to listen to all of the DACs that are on your wish list? At a noisy meet?

post #925 of 1025
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Originally Posted by LugBug1 View Post
 

Yeah this is where I am too. Granted I haven't heard gear as high end as you and others but I'm defo appreciating musicality and a fuller sound over anything else at the mo. The HD800 probably has a lot to do with this. Having a good window onto your source and amp can go either way. Either make you marvel at the finer details or cringe at how bad your all time fave records sound...  

Yes sir...

post #926 of 1025
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Originally Posted by StanD View Post
 

So where do you go to listen to all of the DACs that are on your wish list? At a noisy meet?

 

Ha ha.. nope.  The comfort of my own home or the comfort f buddies homes.  I have also arranged private demos at a few audio stores.  I'm not apart of any camp, thus I can't and wont be swayed by what others say.  My amp (at the moment) is an odd one,  My DAC not many folks have either.  

post #927 of 1025
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post
 

 

So what DAC's have you actually heard / owned?

 

 

So this is a no go? :cool:

post #928 of 1025
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post
 

 

It seems like your a measurements person.  So what DAC's have you actually heard / owned?

 

No I can't .  However, I can hear how different the crash of the cymbals sound from different DACs with the same amp and headphones.  

 

What it sounds like your saying to me is up to a certain price point (what ever that is).  You are in the  "All Dacs sound the same" camp.

 

What price point would that be - if this is the case?

Like I said in another answer, I get to listen to high end equipment in a quiet setting at the apartments of Wall Street folks that I work with. I'm sure that you can find a lousy DAC for a high price, but unless you can put a source in a repeat loop and use a switch to compare different DACs, don't expect to do an accurate evaluation. I have arranged for with some of my friends and telling the difference between good gear is not an easy task, probably not an accurate endeavor at all. Even by flipping the switch you will still introduce expectation into your judgement. Doing this I compared an Uber Bifrost to a variety of other popular DACs costing many times the price and the guesses were about 50/50. When I lied and told people that the Bifrost was the more expensive piece, all of a sudden people were picking the Bifrost. As a result I've recently bought a Uber Bifrost. I'll bet that the non Uber Bifrost is also below a humans ability to perceive the difference in the Uber analog upgrade.

If you are relying on memory for subtle differences, lets not continue this discussion. Enjoy what you have.

post #929 of 1025

Bifrost????  OK I see now.. No worries - carry on..  :cool:   ha ha ha...

post #930 of 1025
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post
 

Bifrost????  OK I see now.. No worries - carry on..  :cool:   ha ha ha...

Elitist influenced by idle chatter. OK I see now.. No worries - carry on..  :cool:   ha ha ha...

The people in the marketing department just love that.


Edited by StanD - 2/20/14 at 11:45am
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