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post #901 of 1025
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Originally Posted by Nimzerz View Post

^ that's why I like my he-500 and am hesitant to even consider the he-6...

You don't want the power bill and the 500 pound amp, be truthful.

post #902 of 1025
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Originally Posted by LugBug1 View Post
 

Yup. I probably fiddle as much as I listen. Drive my wife insane haha "Just listen to the bloody thing!!" 

 

But another thing I've learned on a personal level. The 'better' or 'technically better' sound that I've heard is not the best for me. You really need to have amazing recordings for equipment like this. And unfortunately most recordings aren't amazing- most are too treble happy in the 'classic' Jazz/classical world for instance. Even now I have a handful of brilliant recordings out of the thousands of cd's/downloads I have. High end amps can make you hear how bad your recordings are. And no high end DAC is going to add magic to mask it. If all you listen to is the latest SACD's then fair bells. But I want to listen to the greats!   

 

Clarity, resolution, realism - This is what you pay for. But if the realism isn't in the recording to begin with... Same with TV's, try watching Jaws/StarWars on the latest greatest Plasma... Looks schitt...   

 

Warmth, musicality and enough juice for when the music needs it. This is what I prefer for my HD800's. All my music sounds good! :) 

 

Lug,

 

I agree with your post.  However, the two parts I have bold, we see / hear different.  No DAC adds "magic" so to speak - I would agree.  However, there are plenty of DACs that's able to mask, blunt or roll off certain information.   From the DACs I've heard anyway..

post #903 of 1025
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post
 

 

Lug,

 

I agree with your post.  However, the two parts I have bold, we see / hear different.  No DAC adds "magic" so to speak - I would agree.  However, there are plenty of DACs that's able to mask, blunt or roll off certain information.   From the DACs I've heard anyway..

Yeah bud, I suppose any component can mask or 'colour' in this respect. The point I'm trying to get across is that the higher end you go, the more truer to the original recording you are going to get. For good or bad! But this transparency is not great for someone who listens to older or not perfect recordings. Can be amazing with HD and good modern ones though ofcourse.

 

For my preference, I find that using a fairly capable neutral dac, and then the amp to play with/colour the sound, then to a transparent hp (HD800), works best. Just as well because I have approx 15 amps in the house to play with haha   

post #904 of 1025
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post
 

 

Lug,

 

I agree with your post.  However, the two parts I have bold, we see / hear different.  No DAC adds "magic" so to speak - I would agree.  However, there are plenty of DACs that's able to mask, blunt or roll off certain information.   From the DACs I've heard anyway..

So you're saying that someone make a DAC that deliberately compromises the sound? That doesn't sound like a good business plan.

post #905 of 1025
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Originally Posted by StanD View Post
 

So you're saying that someone make a DAC that deliberately compromises the sound? That doesn't sound like a good business plan.

 

Who said deliberately?  Also who said this is a compromise?

post #906 of 1025
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Originally Posted by LugBug1 View Post
 

Yeah bud, I suppose any component can mask or 'colour' in this respect. The point I'm trying to get across is that the higher end you go, the more truer to the original recording you are going to get. For good or bad! But this transparency is not great for someone who listens to older or not perfect recordings. Can be amazing with HD and good modern ones though ofcourse.

 

For my preference, I find that using a fairly capable neutral dac, and then the amp to play with/colour the sound, then to a transparent hp (HD800), works best. Just as well because I have approx 15 amps in the house to play with haha   

Yea and for me it would be the other way around.  I have out all the amps I've owned the most neutral sounding of them all.  So I use that amp as my reference.  Then roll the DAC's so to speak.  I've also heard a very High End Audio Note DAC (The DAC 5 Signature) - it wasn't the best as far as technicalities go.  However, it was the best DAC I've ever heard as far as being musical goes.

post #907 of 1025
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Originally Posted by StanD View Post
 

So you're saying that someone make a DAC that deliberately compromises the sound? That doesn't sound like a good business plan.

It sounds like to me you haven't had much experience with different sounding DACs. Thus, you don't quite

get Prep's point.

post #908 of 1025

Having now had the HE-500 for a few weeks after selling my HD-800 I can honestly say I would never go back to the Sennheiser...

post #909 of 1025
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Originally Posted by guido View Post
 

Having now had the HE-500 for a few weeks after selling my HD-800 I can honestly say I would never go back to the Sennheiser...

:eek:

post #910 of 1025
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Originally Posted by paradoxper View Post
 

It sounds like to me you haven't had much experience with different sounding DACs. Thus, you don't quite

get Prep's point.

Perhaps you are too easily swayed by rumor and myth. Once you get to good DACs the differences are more subtle and not sufficient to cause great tonal shifts.

post #911 of 1025

It seems you like to put an exaggeration on things like "great tonal shifts"  Who ever said anything about great tonal shifts?  Yes we all know by now that differences are subtle.  Knowing the differences are subtle, they are still differences.  

 

The roll off at a high FR can be as subtle as the designer wants it to be.  It's still a difference all be it slight.  Some like it, some don't.  It's what you prefer.  I use to like to best detail retrieval possible, I've found out that does not all ways = the best musical reproduction.  So now I've turned in a different direction.  

 

Just saying..

post #912 of 1025
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Originally Posted by StanD View Post
 

Perhaps you are too easily swayed by rumor and myth. Once you get to good DACs the differences are more subtle and not sufficient to cause great tonal shifts.

And what are these rumors and myths? 

post #913 of 1025
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Originally Posted by StanD View Post
 

Perhaps you are too easily swayed by rumor and myth. Once you get to good DACs the differences are more subtle and not sufficient to cause great tonal shifts.

 

That's not what para is saying.  All DACs do not sound the same.  Different DACs chips, different output stages.  Yes the difference are small / subtle - but they're still there.  If you know what you look out for.  Not saying you don't - I'm just saying..

post #914 of 1025
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post
 

It seems you like to put an exaggeration on things like "great tonal shifts"  Who ever said anything about great tonal shifts?  Yes we all know by now that differences are subtle.  Knowing the differences are subtle, they are still differences.  

 

The roll off at a high FR can be as subtle as the designer wants it to be.  It's still a difference all be it slight.  Some like it, some don't.  It's what you prefer.  I use to like to best detail retrieval possible, I've found out that does not all ways = the best musical reproduction.  So now I've turned in a different direction.  

 

Just saying..

Gee they all spec flat responses way above audio. If anyone of them advertised a roll off, their sales would roll off. If one wants roll off they can use EQ,  A subtle difference isn't going to take the "edge" off of what one hears.

post #915 of 1025
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Originally Posted by paradoxper View Post
 

And what are these rumors and myths? 

About differences in sound between quality DACs.  IMO most people are swayed by the chatter and their imagination fills in the details.

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