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post #886 of 1025
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Originally Posted by StanD View Post
 

They said that about the HD600's and they're still going strong.

But Hifiman has stated that the new model will replace the HE-500s (read: they won't be making them anymore).

 

Sennheiser continued to make the HD600s for many years and can still be bought new:

 

http://www.amazon.com/Sennheiser-Dynamic-Professional-Stereo-Headphones/dp/B00004SY4H/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1392774495&sr=8-1&keywords=hd600

 

Who knows?

post #887 of 1025
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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post
 

Or that the HE-500s are discontinued (or will be shortly). 

 

LOL

post #888 of 1025
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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post
 

But Hifiman has stated that the new model will replace the HE-500s (read: they won't be making them anymore).

 

Sennheiser continued to make the HD600s for many years and can still be bought new:

 

http://www.amazon.com/Sennheiser-Dynamic-Professional-Stereo-Headphones/dp/B00004SY4H/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1392774495&sr=8-1&keywords=hd600

 

Who knows?

What if new is not improved? You ever hear the phrase, "Brought back by popular demand?" Like you said, "Who  knows."

post #889 of 1025
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Originally Posted by StanD View Post
 

What if new is not improved? You ever hear the phrase, "Brought back by popular demand?" Like you said, "Who  knows."

Exactly why I put in the "who knows". :smile:

 

The best example I can think of is the Stax SR-007 Mk1 which is clearly better than the Mk2.

post #890 of 1025
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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post
 

Exactly why I put in the "who knows". :smile:

 

The best example I can think of is the Stax SR-007 Mk1 which is clearly better than the Mk2.

At the chance of pissing off some folks, I'll say that I prefer the HD600's over the HD650's.

post #891 of 1025
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Originally Posted by StanD View Post
 

At the chance of pissing off some folks, I'll say that I prefer the HD600's over the HD650's.

I agree with you here too. So sometimes progress isn't always what it's cracked up to be.

post #892 of 1025

That's why the HE-500 sucks in compare to the HE-5LE. :D

post #893 of 1025
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Originally Posted by StanD View Post
 

At the chance of pissing off some folks, I'll say that I prefer the HD600's over the HD650's.

 

Y'know Stan, I do recall you preferring the HD600 after an in store audition?  Now you also EQ the bass on the HD600 up - something perhaps you didn't hear in store?  

 

IMO - travelling to a store - dealing with all the traffic and city noises etc, put you in a different physiological condition - much different to when you are home in a relaxed and familiar surrounding.  I believe these in store audition's and also meet conditions as well - is not conclusive to how you might find something at home and relaxed.

 

I should know, as I found myself with a pair of K701s - which sounded great in a store audition...got them home and - where is the bass?

 

:wink_face:

post #894 of 1025
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Originally Posted by StanD View Post
 

At the chance of pissing off some folks, I'll say that I prefer the HD600's over the HD650's.

 

 

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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post
 

I agree with you here too. So sometimes progress isn't always what it's cracked up to be.

Heck, right now I'm listening to my HD600's hanging off a Asgard 2 and my new Bifrost. My poor HE-500's are staring angrily at me from across the room.

I solved my player problem. I got a $270 Asus X200CA Windoze 8 tablet with an 11 inch touch screen, 4 GB of RAM, Dual Core CPU and 500 GB hard drive.. It's small enough to use, love the touch screen and it's responsive while pushing bits out the USB port to the DAC. I'm running Foobar2K and typing this post with it right now. I keep this upstairs in my listening room, used to be my daughter's room. Now my Desktop and laptop are free to be what they are. For casual listening while working I plug a FiiO E18 into them and use a Vali for amping, My wife looks at me, like I'm a Borg.

post #895 of 1025

I'd like to jump in here and say that Stan's signature quote sums it up entirely.  There are several good videos out there where sound engineers talk about the myths surrounding people's perception of sound.  These are "must watches."  I was going down the slippery slope of upgrade mania, then caught myself in the back swing.  Here's the true test of equipment (setting aside impedance matching, THD, IM, your wallet), blind testing.  If you can't tell the difference then there isn't one.  And if you can tell a difference, is it really worth the $$$ for a marginal improvement?

 

 I drew a line in the sand and here it is:

 

HD-600 (yes, Stan, I like these better than the 650's)

He-500

Grado HF-2

Asgard 2

Aune T1 (just the tube buffered DAC portion--I'm guilty of a little tube rolling..<smirk>)

 

On the portable side:

J3

Headstage Arrow

Um3x

BA-200

some old Senns (ie6 maybe?)

 

I go FLAC when I can, or at least Mp3 VBR.  (That's another area where Stan's signature quote is spot-on.)

 

That's it!  

 

I now spend most of my "audio time" looking for appealing new artists. After all, listening to music is the end-game, isn't it??? 

post #896 of 1025
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Originally Posted by wgkwgk View Post
 

I'd like to jump in here and say that Stan's signature quote sums it up entirely.  There are several good videos out there where sound engineers talk about the myths surrounding people's perception of sound.  These are "must watches."  I was going down the slippery slope of upgrade mania, then caught myself in the back swing.  Here's the true test of equipment (setting aside impedance matching, THD, IM, your wallet), blind testing.  If you can't tell the difference then there isn't one.  And if you can tell a difference, is it really worth the $$$ for a marginal improvement?

 

 I drew a line in the sand and here it is:

 

HD-600 (yes, Stan, I like these better than the 650's)

He-500

Grado HF-2

Asgard 2

Aune T1 (just the tube buffered DAC portion--I'm guilty of a little tube rolling..<smirk>)

 

On the portable side:

J3

Headstage Arrow

Um3x

BA-200

some old Senns (ie6 maybe?)

 

I go FLAC when I can, or at least Mp3 VBR.  (That's another area where Stan's signature quote is spot-on.)

 

That's it!  

 

I now spend most of my "audio time" looking for appealing new artists. After all, listening to music is the end-game, isn't it??? 

I approve of this message :normal_smile :

post #897 of 1025

I approve of that post too ha! 

 

It's all about finding a sweet spot, otherwise it really does go on forever. It's in the nature of the hobby - perfection. But as we all know or will find out - it doesn't exist. 

 

My reality check was when I paid $50 for a vintage amp that blew away my expensive hp amps. I'd finally found the sound I'd been after all along.

 

However, I still like change. So I stay in my sweet spot and buy alternatives rather than upgrades. Buying and selling but not being out of pocket at the end of the day because I'm not buying more expensive every time.

post #898 of 1025
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Originally Posted by LugBug1 View Post
 

I approve of that post too ha! 

 

It's all about finding a sweet spot, otherwise it really does go on forever. It's in the nature of the hobby - perfection. But as we all know or will find out - it doesn't exist. 

 

My reality check was when I paid $50 for a vintage amp that blew away my expensive hp amps. I'd finally found the sound I'd been after all along.

 

However, I still like change. So I stay in my sweet spot and buy alternatives rather than upgrades. Buying and selling but not being out of pocket at the end of the day because I'm not buying more expensive every time.

You enjoy fiddling with the toys and understand that, so you're not going to get fleeced.

post #899 of 1025
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Originally Posted by StanD View Post
 

You enjoy fiddling with the toys and understand that, so you're not going to get fleeced.

Yup. I probably fiddle as much as I listen. Drive my wife insane haha "Just listen to the bloody thing!!" 

 

But another thing I've learned on a personal level. The 'better' or 'technically better' sound that I've heard is not the best for me. You really need to have amazing recordings for equipment like this. And unfortunately most recordings aren't amazing- most are too treble happy in the 'classic' Jazz/classical world for instance. Even now I have a handful of brilliant recordings out of the thousands of cd's/downloads I have. High end amps can make you hear how bad your recordings are. And no high end DAC is going to add magic to mask it. If all you listen to is the latest SACD's then fair bells. But I want to listen to the greats!   

 

Clarity, resolution, realism - This is what you pay for. But if the realism isn't in the recording to begin with... Same with TV's, try watching Jaws/StarWars on the latest greatest Plasma... Looks schitt...   

 

Warmth, musicality and enough juice for when the music needs it. This is what I prefer for my HD800's. All my music sounds good! :) 

post #900 of 1025
^ that's why I like my he-500 and am hesitant to even consider the he-6...
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