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post #811 of 1025

this thread is the offtopic feast.

 

and I really don't know how the HD800 and HD6x0 can be compared


Edited by Blasyrkh - 1/15/14 at 1:09pm
post #812 of 1025
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Originally Posted by Sorrodje View Post
 

+1000 Lugbug1 :beerchug:... I was surprised when I compared my HD580 and my HD800 . These headphones are very close and share obviously common genes ... I would just complete the " the closest anyone can get to the hd800 on a budget is a well driven HD600" sentence : I think it's a good thing to keep a HD600 besides a HD800. with the two headphones it's more easy to know when the upfront gear is good enough for HD800. When it's the case, the HD600 become useless .

 

So I could say that a only a well driven HD800 can beat the HD600. :D 

Haha well said. I can easily prefer the HD600 sometimes. For instance when I'm lying in bed listening to some relaxing jazz... hmmm nice!  

 

:beerchug:

post #813 of 1025
The only way an HD600 is better than an HD800 is if the HD800 is unplugged. I own both. It doesn't matter if the 600 is on the main rig and the 800 is from my phone.
post #814 of 1025
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Originally Posted by Maxvla View Post

The only way an HD600 is better than an HD800 is if the HD800 is unplugged. I own both. It doesn't matter if the 600 is on the main rig and the 800 is from my phone.

 

Probably best to say: ""In my opinion...."

post #815 of 1025
Implied on a forum.
post #816 of 1025

So I made my first real decision with implications on choosing only the HD800 or HE-500. My choice is HD800. The Quickie preamp that I use for both my setups has an output impedance of 2K ohms stock. I've been looking to add the PJCCS upgrade, but that increases the output impedance to 4K ohms. For the Emotiva MiniX I use with my HE-500, it only has an input impedance of 10K ohms. The general rule of thumb for preamp output impedance and power amp input impedance matching is a 1:10 ratio for adequate gain staging and a good S/N, and the Emotiva was already suffering there. Adding the PJCCS would make it unusable unfortunately. I found out today the Crack has an input impedance of 100K ohms, so it has more than enough to handle the Quickie, even with the PJCCS upgrade. After some thought, I decided to add in the PJCCS upgrade to improve the sound from my HD800 ever so little more, at the expense not being able to use the Quickie with the Emotiva anymore.

 

Of course, at only $100, I could just order another stock Quickie for the HE-500 setup. :cool:

post #817 of 1025
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Originally Posted by Sonido View Post
 

So I made my first real decision with implications on choosing only the HD800 or HE-500. My choice is HD800. The Quickie preamp that I use for both my setups has an output impedance of 2K ohms stock. I've been looking to add the PJCCS upgrade, but that increases the output impedance to 4K ohms. For the Emotiva MiniX I use with my HE-500, it only has an input impedance of 10K ohms. The general rule of thumb for preamp output impedance and power amp input impedance matching is a 1:10 ratio for adequate gain staging and a good S/N, and the Emotiva was already suffering there. Adding the PJCCS would make it unusable unfortunately. I found out today the Crack has an input impedance of 100K ohms, so it has more than enough to handle the Quickie, even with the PJCCS upgrade. After some thought, I decided to add in the PJCCS upgrade to improve the sound from my HD800 ever so little more, at the expense not being able to use the Quickie with the Emotiva anymore.

 

Of course, at only $100, I could just order another stock Quickie for the HE-500 setup. :cool:

 

Great choice!

post #818 of 1025
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Originally Posted by Sonido View Post
 

So I made my first real decision with implications on choosing only the HD800 or HE-500. My choice is HD800. The Quickie preamp that I use for both my setups has an output impedance of 2K ohms stock. I've been looking to add the PJCCS upgrade, but that increases the output impedance to 4K ohms. For the Emotiva MiniX I use with my HE-500, it only has an input impedance of 10K ohms. The general rule of thumb for preamp output impedance and power amp input impedance matching is a 1:10 ratio for adequate gain staging and a good S/N, and the Emotiva was already suffering there. Adding the PJCCS would make it unusable unfortunately. I found out today the Crack has an input impedance of 100K ohms, so it has more than enough to handle the Quickie, even with the PJCCS upgrade. After some thought, I decided to add in the PJCCS upgrade to improve the sound from my HD800 ever so little more, at the expense not being able to use the Quickie with the Emotiva anymore.

 

Of course, at only $100, I could just order another stock Quickie for the HE-500 setup. :cool:

+1.  You really got me curious about Quickie.  I haven't had one for a while.  :D

post #819 of 1025

So two hours later and I have completed adding on the PJCCS upgrade to the Quickie. Once again, Bottlehead doesn't cease to amaze.

 

First thing before even playing any music, I had to address my concerns on the noise floor and gain staging. Before without PJCCS, the Crack would be dead silent up to 12 o'clock, and even at max (4 o'clock) the background noise wasn't as bad as say the Emotiva. With the PJCCS, the silent noise level has been pulled back to 9 o'clock on Crack, and after 12 o'clock it gets quite noticeable. This makes sense that the max silent position got cut in half (6 o'clock is zero volume) since the PJCCS doubled the output impedance of the Quickie. As expected as well, the volume level of the Quickie remains the same with the Crack pulled down to 9 o'clock from 12 o'clock.

 

As for sound, the most apparent thing was the bass. There is just simply more bass! The bass has better impact and more body. As for anything else, I haven't really picked up anything as apparent, and having to compare by memory with stock Quickie, it's not as easy to pick out minor differences.

 

Edit: The other difference I believe I'm hearing now is more transparency and clarity. The Quickie can congest the sound a bit at times when a lot of stuff is going on, but less so now with PJCCS.


Edited by Sonido - 1/15/14 at 11:15pm
post #820 of 1025
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Originally Posted by Maxvla View Post

The only way an HD600 is better than an HD800 is if the HD800 is unplugged. I own both. It doesn't matter if the 600 is on the main rig and the 800 is from my phone.

 

It seems your consider everything else than HD800 as paper weights so.  (cf T1 vs HD800 thread) ;)

post #821 of 1025
HD600s are perfectly fine headphones, they just don't compare to HD800s regardless of gear being used. At one point I had a really well dialed in balanced HD600 system and I heard the HD800s on some of the worst matching gear ever and still thought the HD800 was not bad. I thought they were overpriced but good sounding and I stayed with my HD600 system for a long time, mostly because I couldn't afford much more at the time. The gap only widened as the systems I heard the HD800 improved in synergy. There is only one thing the HD600 has as an advantage and that is price. $200 used vs $900-1000 used.
post #822 of 1025

Last off topic post for me but :

 

The point ( and I think it's lugbug1's one too) is that HD600 and HD800 share more common things than what is usually said.  and that a well driven HD600 is the best option when anyone doesn't have time, money or motivation to invest in a HD800 quest.

 

Another point is that despite the fact that HD800 is obviously a better headphone, HD600 is (IMO) a better allrounder (mostly because of its lack of fastness, detail and transparency that makes its more forgiving nature) until you have built a system suitable for the HD800 . With a well choosen upfront rig , HD800 still  remains a better headphone but becames a very good allrounder too.

 

Hope to be understandable . My English is not as transparent as HD800 :D

post #823 of 1025
I agree Sorrodje.
post #824 of 1025
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Originally Posted by Sorrodje View Post
 

Last off topic post for me but :

 

The point ( and I think it's lugbug1's one too) is that HD600 and HD800 share more common things than what is usually said.  and that a well driven HD600 is the best option when anyone doesn't have time, money or motivation to invest in a HD800 quest.

 

Another point is that despite the fact that HD800 is obviously a better headphone, HD600 is (IMO) a better allrounder (mostly because of its lack of fastness, detail and transparency that makes its more forgiving nature) until you have built a system suitable for the HD800 . With a well choosen upfront rig , HD800 still  remains a better headphone but becames a very good allrounder too.

 

Hope to be understandable . My English is not as transparent as HD800 :D

Yup I'd agree with that. Technicalities aside, owing a more forgiving headphone that shares the same tonality as the 'mighty one' can be preferable sometimes. 

post #825 of 1025

So we  can reasonnably agree that this thread shoud be renamed "HD600 vs HE-500" . HD800 is obviously in another league.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

AH AH AH   :D

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