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post #751 of 1025
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Originally Posted by Sonido View Post

Ok I can take the statement that bass slam has to do with the amount and the decay, and the slower decay of the HE-500 gives more perceived slam.

 

Decay and slam or impact are different.  Decay is after the note.  Impact / slam is at the beginning of the note..  so the speak.  If I understood you correctly. 

 

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Originally Posted by James-uk View Post

So, objectively I would say the HD800 is technically very close to the sr-009, but most say the stax is in a different league. I've never heard it and if I was just going via objective information I would say it is only slightly better. It just shows how very small nuances in measurements can amount to big subjective claims. It seems this is going on here to me. (I've never listened to the HE500 buy I've always had my eye on it) . Great banter though!

Sorry, but objective stuff lol.  is base of data to support it, not by what you say.  

post #752 of 1025
Yeah and when I say objectively a mean looking at objective data obviously.
post #753 of 1025
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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post
 

Of course,  it's just too cheap to be on the same level.  :rolleyes:

 

The force is strong with this one. ;)

post #754 of 1025
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Originally Posted by pdrm360 View Post
 

To me, the HD800 and HE-500 are too different to compare, same as comparing a piano with a violin.

 
Funny you should say that, one of the reasons why the HD800 is a superior can to the HE-500 it can render a piano properly. The HE-500 can sound downright nasty with piano, adding too much reverb, blurring the notes and giving the impression that there are resonances around the 1k region. All in all, the HD800 presents acoustic instruments in an relatively uncoloured manner and is more true to the source; that is what makes it a better hi-fi can.
 
I enjoy the HE-500s despite its flaws because its tremendously easy to enjoy for long periods as its so cozy and unfatiguing with most non-acoustic material. But it can't touch the HD800 when I'm in the mood for serious listening; switching between the two quickly makes the HE-500 sound artificial with any genres that have decently recorded vocals and acoustic instruments.
post #755 of 1025
I think we should all make up here and redivert our attention to the K812 thread. Surely the K812 cannot be like they say, beating the HD800 in all areas other than soundstage. Besting the HD800 in details, imaging, and separation, could it be true?
post #756 of 1025
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Originally Posted by Kyle 491 View Post
 
Funny you should say that, one of the reasons why the HD800 is a superior can to the HE-500 it can render a piano properly. The HE-500 can sound downright nasty with piano, adding too much reverb, blurring the notes and giving the impression that there are resonances around the 1k region. All in all, the HD800 presents acoustic instruments in an relatively uncoloured manner and is more true to the source; that is what makes it a better hi-fi can.
 
I enjoy the HE-500s despite its flaws because its tremendously easy to enjoy for long periods as its so cozy and unfatiguing with most non-acoustic material. But it can't touch the HD800 when I'm in the mood for serious listening; switching between the two quickly makes the HE-500 sound artificial with any genres that have decently recorded vocals and acoustic instruments.

 

Wut.

 

Speaker amp.

post #757 of 1025

I've tried the HE-500 on a bunch of different speaker amps, piano never sounds entirely natural. The biggest change is the bass control.

post #758 of 1025
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Originally Posted by Kyle 491 View Post

I've tried the HE-500 on a bunch of different speaker amps, piano never sounds entirely natural. The biggest change is the bass control.

Huh, interestin'
post #759 of 1025
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Originally Posted by Sonido View Post

I think we should all make up here and redivert our attention to the K812 thread. Surely the K812 cannot be like they say, beating the HD800 in all areas other than soundstage. Besting the HD800 in details, imaging, and separation, could it be true?

Let's just say the K812's measurements don't look very encouraging of being a low distortion and clean sounding headphone. Frankly I'm not surprised with AKG as it's been many, many years since they actually did anything really groundbreaking. Hoping to hear them quite soon actually.

post #760 of 1025
^Looking forward to that. The low impedance of the K812 disqualified it for me as I don't have an amp for those, other than speaker amp for orthos. They mentioned the K812 to be great with no amping, but that just screams mainstream to me.
post #761 of 1025
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Originally Posted by Sonido View Post

^Looking forward to that. The low impedance of the K812 disqualified it for me as I don't have an amp for those, other than speaker amp for orthos. They mentioned the K812 to be great with no amping, but that just screams mainstream to me.

I don't necessarily worry about the low impedance...its the measurements that Tyll posted on the K812 page. Not very encouraging. 

post #762 of 1025
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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post

if I made you sound like a high price snob, my apology.  That wasn't my intention.
It is not the first time you offended people by bringing the price in for your agrument, so hopefully it will be the last time if you are really sorry about it. And stop telling others to "agree to disagree" when you fighting for your stance all day long. Perhaps you should learn to agree to disagree first.
post #763 of 1025
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Originally Posted by froger View Post


It is not the first time you offended people by bringing the price in for your agrument, so hopefully it will be the last time if you are really sorry about it. And stop telling others to "agree to disagree" when you fighting for your stance all day long. Perhaps you should learn to agree to disagree first.

 

That's past and done, let's forget about it, shall we?

 

Rather not have to contact a moderator to get this thread locked...

post #764 of 1025

An update to using these to watching movies. While I originally said the HE-500 was heavier, but not a problem for me because I had gotten used to the weight. Well the next day, I had some neck muscle pains. Could be unrelated, but the HE-500 weight is the most likely culprit. Perhaps the new HE-560 will solve this problem? Still I prefer the sound and bass for movie from the HE-500. Just like how I prefer the bass of a $100 sub like my MartinLogan Dynamo 300 over any headphone bass for movies.

post #765 of 1025

I prefer to go to a IMAX theater than watching a movie at home with headphones, no neck muscle pains at least.  ;)

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