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post #316 of 1025
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Originally Posted by StanD View Post
 

I hope you guys take some time out to enjoy the music.:blink:

Yes sir!  I am.  On my $100 computer speakers.  It does have a sub-woofer though. :D

post #317 of 1025
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post
 

The amp is more than enough for the HE-500 and HD800 yes.    The HE-6 is a different story.  

 

If you think the HE-500 can scale as high as the HE-6 - more power to you.  I would suggest you take both headphones to an audio store that will let you test each headphone on the different high end amps they have.  I've done this many of times and the result was all ways the same.  The HE-6 leaves the HE-500 in the dust on most amps.

 

If the HE-500 is not modded or have a pair of modded pads o them.  The HE-6 treble is way more refined with enough current fed to them.

 

There's a reason the HE-6 is the flag ship and the HE-500 "IS NOT"

 

Just curious, you don't think the Stingray is enough for the HE-6? And yeah, I tried. Different DAC, same amplifier. HE-6 vs. HE-500 out of the Stingray, scales just as high as the HE-6.

 

YMMV. I don't neccessarily consider refined as being better, more technical.

post #318 of 1025
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Originally Posted by dleblanc343 View Post

A lot of people here seem to be talking without any first hand experience with the HD800's... In no way can say the HE500 is superior to the HD800 if you've heard both driven decently. The only arguable factor in which the HE500 can compete is bass, and even then; the HD800 proves to be better. Yes the HE500 sounds much more natural and deep, but in fact it doesn't go as deep as the HD800. What makes the HE500 sound beautiful musically down low is the slight looseness of the midbasses and overall wooly bass. Sub bass is not even as good as the HD800, which is dynamic.

I've owned the HE500 a while ago as my first flagship, and it's an unbelievable bang for the buck performer, but if you want to compete/ beat out the HD800 in many regards; you have to go with the HE6 (which I replaced the 500 with and can wholeheartily say is just as good as HD800's)

Exactly! On my rig (Bryston BDA-2 --> GS-X MK2), there simply is no comparison between these headphones. The HE-500s are very good mid-fi cans that really don't scale, the HD800s are truly one over the very best headphones out there....but the catch is the upfront gear better be up to the task or its garbage in = garbage out.

post #319 of 1025
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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post
 

While I agree with you 100% about HD800's bass being NOT palpable("wet"), I disagree about concerts and even small local venues being the reference for what can be considered "real". Bass/low frequencies are often so exaggerated/boosted/even distorted through AV system at concerts and local venues.  If you said "go to a local venue where the band performs 100% acoustically and set your reference", I would tend to agree more.  I've played drums and bass guitars for many years and still do daily.  The variation in drum heads, sizes, dampening, kick....have tremendous effect on the sound from a drum set; same with acoustic bass guitar.  It is very difficult to listen to even a well mastered track and say "this sounds like the real thing" cuz you just don't know.  IMO and experience anyway.  ;) 

I think that's enough to listen just one time to a real drum performance to notice that HD800s overemphasize cymbals and can't handle a punchy drum kick .

post #320 of 1025
I feel like I the only one here who disagrees with the vast majority of people. Hahaha. XD
post #321 of 1025
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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post

Exactly! On my rig (Bryston BDA-2 --> GS-X MK2), there simply is no comparison between these headphones. The HE-500s are very good mid-fi cans that really don't scale, the HD800s are truly one over the very best headphones out there....but the catch is the upfront gear better be up to the task or its garbage in = garbage out.

MH, just curious, what did you use the HE-500's on? smily_headphones1.gif
post #322 of 1025
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Originally Posted by StanD View Post
 

I hope you guys take some time out to enjoy the music.:blink:


yes, and that's why I sold the HD800 :P

post #323 of 1025
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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post
 

See! For me, it's perfectly fine.  I listened to the new Mytek and the TEAC and prefer the TEAC's sound.  Go figure, right?  I don't mind.

Lol, I feel like a broken record, but actually the Mytek is even worse for its price :o 

 

Seriously, you couldn't have picked worse performing DACs in the price range to compare to. I am not trying to make you feel bad or anything, but they are both very harsh-sounding DACs. I never understood Computer Audiophile and their love of it, that was until I realized it's a feeding ground for certain manufacturers, and people with more money than brains to believe them.


Edited by brunk - 12/30/13 at 8:07pm
post #324 of 1025
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Originally Posted by Austin Morrow View Post


MH, just curious, what did you use the HE-500's on? smily_headphones1.gif

 

My dynamic rig...Cambridge Audio CDP --> Bryston BDA-2 --> GS-X MK2. I had both here in the summer (I've owned the HD800s for more than 3 years now and will keep them until the HD900s are announced ;)) and there was no comparison. The HD800s are the better headphones to my ears. The HE-6s on a speaker amp did compete a lot more with the HD800s. But the HE-500s didn't want to scale much. 

post #325 of 1025
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Originally Posted by Austin Morrow View Post
 

 

Just curious, you don't think the Stingray is enough for the HE-6? And yeah, I tried. Different DAC, same amplifier. HE-6 vs. HE-500 out of the Stingray, scales just as high as the HE-6.

 

YMMV. I don't neccessarily consider refined as being better, more technical.

 

Enough for the HE-500 yes and maybe as high as it can go.  Enough for the HE-6 yes.  However, the HE-6 can still get better where the HE-500 can't.  TBH the min X is really to much for the HE-500.  The HE-6 eats it up with no problem at all.  I prefer the HE-500 on the GS-X mk2.

 

In this case refined does mean better.

re·fine  (ribreve.gif-fimacr.gifnprime.gif)
v. re·finedre·fin·ingre·fines
v.tr.
1. To reduce to a pure state; purify.
2. To remove by purifying.
3. To free from coarse, unsuitable, or immoral characteristics: refined his manners; refined her speaking style.
v.intr.
1. To become free of impurities.
2. To acquire polish or elegance.
3. To use precise distinctions and subtlety in thought or speech.
post #326 of 1025
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post
 

 

Enough for the HE-500 yes and maybe as high as it can go.  Enough for the HE-6 yes.  However, the HE-6 can still get better where the HE-500 can't.  TBH the min X is really to much for the HE-500.  The HE-6 eats it up with no problem at all.  I prefer the HE-500 on the GS-X mk2.

 

In this case refined does mean better.

re·fine  (ribreve.gif-fimacr.gifnprime.gif)
v. re·finedre·fin·ingre·fines
v.tr.
1. To reduce to a pure state; purify.
2. To remove by purifying.
3. To free from coarse, unsuitable, or immoral characteristics: refined his manners; refined her speaking style.
v.intr.
1. To become free of impurities.
2. To acquire polish or elegance.
3. To use precise distinctions and subtlety in thought or speech.

 

Hey Darryl:

I agree with much of this statement, but I did find that the HE-500s ran out of gas on my buddy's V200 / W4S DAC-1 setup and didn't really scale much after that. Both the HD800s and HE-6s did however thankfully.

post #327 of 1025

^ just my 2 cents here.  I personally don't think much of the HE-6 after listening to it on my Emotiva, Liquid Gold, Head Amp GS-X2 and the big Woo speaker amp.  I did compare HE-6 to HE-500 on all of these amps.  All these vendors were in 1 room and didn't mind letting me borrow the HE-6. Nice people.

My ears might not be audiophile quality but If I like what I heard on the HE-6, I would have bought it already instead of the HD800.  I do prefer the planar-dynamic sound over regular dynamic because I believe I can "feel" the music more on my ear drums with planars.

 

Let's just enjoy music with whatever HP we have and forget about which HP belong to which tier.  I don't have problem enjoying good music from a mono radio which I still have btw.  Peace out for the new year guys....:beerchug:

post #328 of 1025
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

Enough for the HE-500 yes and maybe as high as it can go.  Enough for the HE-6 yes.  However, the HE-6 can still get better where the HE-500 can't.  TBH the min X is really to much for the HE-500.  The HE-6 eats it up with no problem at all.  I prefer the HE-500 on the GS-X mk2.

In this case refined does mean better.
re·fine  (ribreve.gif-fimacr.gifnprime.gif)

v. re·finedre·fin·ingre·fines
v.tr.
1. To reduce to a pure state; purify.


2. To remove by purifying.


3. To free from coarse, unsuitable, or immoral characteristics: refined his manners; refined her speaking style.



v.intr.
1. To become free of impurities.


2. To acquire polish or elegance.


3. To use precise distinctions and subtlety in thought or speech.



I guess I haven't heard the HE-6 at it's pinnacle yet. Interesting, thought the Stingray would do the trick. Didn't hear it get any better after that, IMHO.
post #329 of 1025
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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post
 

 

Hey Darryl:

I agree with much of this statement, but I did find that the HE-500s ran out of gas on my buddy's V200 / W4S DAC-1 setup and didn't really scale much after that. Both the HD800s and HE-6s did however thankfully.

:beerchug:

 

True that.   

post #330 of 1025
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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post

 

 

Let's just enjoy music with whatever HP we have and forget about which HP belong to which tier.  I don't have problem enjoying good music from a mono radio which I still have btw.  Peace out for the new year guys....:beerchug:

Yeah, in the end it's still a preference, but it does appear there are things the majority can agree upon that have the experience.

 

Cheers,

Brunk

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