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post #301 of 1025
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Originally Posted by brunk View Post
 

:eek: No way! Very cool man :)

 

It's a small world after all.

Regular flute, not so small of a world but Indian flutes, definitely small world.  They are my favorite instrument when I wanna play music but don't really want to play anything from memorized songs/structured patterns...Just play and feel whatever comes out.


Edited by koiloco - 12/30/13 at 7:16pm
post #302 of 1025
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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post
 

Regular flute, not so small of a world but Indian flutes, definitely small world.  They are my favorite instrument when I wanna to play music but don't really want to play anything from memorized songs/structured patterns...Just play and feel whatever comes out.

Yeah, It has an amazing ability to just mesmerize you:beerchug: 

post #303 of 1025

A mini first impressions review cuz why not.

 

I have to say first impressions A/Bing HE-500 and HD800, the HE-500 flat out wins for pop/rock with my chain. The HD800 has a more polite sound that doesn't fit this genre well at all. The soundstage is wider, but the vocals also sound more distanced and spread out, which doesn't sound as natural as the intimate vocal presentation of the HE-500. Also, the more impactful bass and more tactile instrumentation of the HE-500 really works well for the rock/pop genre. Last I A/Bed the HE-500 vs. HD800 with my friend's HD800, I did not have my Quickie preamp, and the HE-500 lacked soundstage depth and sounded somewhat congested. At that time, it was an even fight between the two for rock/pop, which each with its own weaknesses. Now that I have the Quickie in the chain, it has much better soundstage depth and coherency, and also more transparent and not congested anymore. Losing the congestion and with better transparency really helped my ears pick up more details on instruments and that contributed to the tactility of the HE-500 now. With the Quickie in the chain, it's not even a close fight for rock/pop.

 

As for classical, it's a different fight. The HD800 soundstage helps it greatly here, but it really depends on the composition. If it suits a polite sound, then the HD800 sounds better, but if the song is more dramatic with aggressive instrumentation from a full orchestra (drums, cymbals), once again the HE-500 tactility wins out. With the increased soundstage depth of the HE-500 with Quickie, I'm not missing out too much on soundstaging.

 

For jazz and acoustic, I find the importance of tactility to be more important than extra soundstage, so we know which one I prefer here.

 

For vocals, as mentioned earlier, I honestly find the HD800 to be a bit unnatural as it stretches out the voices a bit too far. The HE-500 has a more coherent soundstaging for vocals, and with the added tactility and body, it wins here as well. The HE-500 vocals sound more realistic and more believable that you're being sung to in the same room.

 

It's very important to note that my chain on my HE-500 is far more optimized than my HD800 chain. I only have the Bottlehead Crack for HD800. I have the Speedball upgrade kit, but haven't gotten around to installing it, but I plan to before doing my formal review. Really this is like comparing a tricked out Camaro to a stock Corvette. The Camaro ZL1 does in fact beat the last generation (not Stingray) entry-level Corvette in 0-60 speeds. I also stand by the notion that the HD800 can be improved far beyond what I'm currently hearing out of it, so it'll be a new journey. :o

 

Chains:

Audioengine D3 -> Bottlehead Quickie -> Emotiva MiniX a-100 -> HE-500

Audioengine D3 -> Bottlehead Crack -> HD800


Edited by Sonido - 12/30/13 at 7:20pm
post #304 of 1025
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Originally Posted by brunk View Post
 

Yeah, It has an amazing ability to just mesmerize you:beerchug: 

I've heard that it's even more magical with a little of something something that quite a few states have began legalizing over the last months.

Unfortunately, I don't touch those stuff.  :p:deadhorse:

post #305 of 1025
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Originally Posted by Sonido View Post
 

A mini first impressions review cuz why not.

 

I have to say first impressions A/Bing HE-500 and HD800, the HE-500 flat out wins for pop/rock with my chain. The HD800 has a more polite sound that doesn't fit this genre well at all. The soundstage is wider, but the vocals also sound more distanced and spread out, which doesn't sound as natural as the intimate vocal presentation of the HE-500. Also, the more impactful bass and more tactile instrumentation of the HE-500 really works well for the rock/pop genre. Last I A/Bed the HE-500 vs. HD800 with my friend's HD800, I did not have my Quickie preamp, and the HE-500 lacked soundstage depth and sounded somewhat congested. At that time, it was an even fight between the two for rock/pop, which each with its own weaknesses. Now that I have the Quickie in the chain, it has much better soundstage depth and coherency, and also more transparent and not congested anymore. Losing the congestion and with better transparency really helped my ears pick up more details on instruments and that contributed to the tactility of the HE-500 now. With the Quickie in the chain, it's not even a close fight for rock/pop.

 

As for classical, it's a different fight. The HD800 soundstage helps it greatly here, but it really depends on the composition. If it suits a polite sound, then the HD800 sounds better, but if the song is more dramatic with aggressive instrumentation from a full orchestra (drums, cymbals), once again the HE-500 tactility wins out. With the increased soundstage depth of the HE-500 with Quickie, I'm not missing out too much on soundstaging.

 

For jazz and acoustic, I find the importance of tactility to be more important than extra soundstage, so we know which one I prefer here.

 

For vocals, as mentioned earlier, I honestly find the HD800 to be a bit unnatural as it stretches out the voices a bit too far. The HE-500 has a more coherent soundstaging for vocals, and with the added tactility and body, it wins here as well. The HE-500 vocals sound more realistic and more believable that you're being sung to in the same room.

 

It's very important to note that my chain on my HE-500 is far more optimized than my HD800 chain. I only have the Bottlehead Crack for HD800. I have the Speedball upgrade kit, but haven't gotten around to installing it, but I plan to before doing my formal review. Really this is like comparing a tricked out Camaro to a stock Corvette. The Camaro ZL1 does in fact beat the last generation (not Stingray) entry-level Corvette in 0-60 speeds. I also stand by the notion that the HD800 can be improved far beyond what I'm hearing out of it, so it'll be a new journey. :o

 

Chains:

Audioengine D3 -> Bottlehead Quickie -> Emotiva MiniX a-100 -> HE-500

Audioengine D3 -> Bottlehead Crack -> HD800

 

WIN WIN WIN.

 

Seriously though, mirrored here.

post #306 of 1025
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Originally Posted by Sonido View Post
 

A mini first impressions review cuz why not.

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

I have to say first impressions A/Bing HE-500 and HD800, the HE-500 flat out wins for pop/rock with my chain. The HD800 has a more polite sound that doesn't fit this genre well at all. The soundstage is wider, but the vocals also sound more distanced and spread out, which doesn't sound as natural as the intimate vocal presentation of the HE-500. Also, the more impactful bass and more tactile instrumentation of the HE-500 really works well for the rock/pop genre. Last I A/Bed the HE-500 vs. HD800 with my friend's HD800, I did not have my Quickie preamp, and the HE-500 lacked soundstage depth and sounded somewhat congested. At that time, it was an even fight between the two for rock/pop, which each with its own weaknesses. Now that I have the Quickie in the chain, it has much better soundstage depth and coherency, and also more transparent and not congested anymore. Losing the congestion and with better transparency really helped my ears pick up more details on instruments and that contributed to the tactility of the HE-500 now. With the Quickie in the chain, it's not even a close fight for rock/pop.

 

As for classical, it's a different fight. The HD800 soundstage helps it greatly here, but it really depends on the composition. If it suits a polite sound, then the HD800 sounds better, but if the song is more dramatic with aggressive instrumentation from a full orchestra (drums, cymbals), once again the HE-500 tactility wins out. With the increased soundstage depth of the HE-500 with Quickie, I'm not missing out too much on soundstaging.

 

For jazz and acoustic, I find the importance of tactility to be more important than extra soundstage, so we know which one I prefer here.

 

For vocals, as mentioned earlier, I honestly find the HD800 to be a bit unnatural as it stretches out the voices a bit too far. The HE-500 has a more coherent soundstaging for vocals, and with the added tactility and body, it wins here as well. The HE-500 vocals sound more realistic and more believable that you're being sung to in the same room.

 

It's very important to note that my chain on my HE-500 is far more optimized than my HD800 chain. I only have the Bottlehead Crack for HD800. I have the Speedball upgrade kit, but haven't gotten around to installing it, but I plan to before doing my formal review. Really this is like comparing a tricked out Camaro to a stock Corvette. The Camaro ZL1 does in fact beat the last generation (not Stingray) entry-level Corvette in 0-60 speeds. I also stand by the notion that the HD800 can be improved far beyond what I'm hearing out of it, so it'll be a new journey. :o

 

Chains:

Audioengine D3 -> Bottlehead Quickie -> Emotiva MiniX a-100 -> HE-500

Audioengine D3 -> Bottlehead Crack -> HD800

 

You're pretty much spot on, and honestly first impressions rarely change sound-wise, but they do change emotionally after the "honeymoon" wears off. I think for most people with multiple mid-high end cans relegate the HD-800 to classical. That really is its only strong suit among all the genres. I still don't think the HE-500 is Summit-Fi (and it isn't by Head-Fi's definition either), but it's a damn good start. 

 

Trust your ears, not us bozos :tongue_smile:

:beerchug:

post #307 of 1025

Did someone say the HD800s produce vocals better than the HE-500?:blink:

 

Did someone say the HE-500 has better treble compared to the HE-6?:blink:

 

Did someone say the HE-500 scales just as high as the HE-6 and HD800s?:blink:

 

Did someone say they heard the HE-6 perform at it's limit?:blink:

 

I loves female vocals so I love the sound of Planars.  Yes, for me the HE-6 is on another level over the HE-500 in all areas (stock).

 

If I had to keep only two headphones of the three it would be the HE-6 and the HD800.  Please to tell me I didn't amp them right lol...

post #308 of 1025
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

 

 

If I had to keep only two headphones of the three it would be the HE-6 and the HD800.  Please to tell me I didn't amp them right lol...

That's what I did, but have decided to put the HD-800 up for sale after 4 months with multiple amps. It just doesn't do anything for me anymore so it deserves a good home :)

 

You didn't amp them right Darryl, don't you know that the HD-800 "has no sound signature" :tongue: (you know im joking right!)

post #309 of 1025
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post
 

Did someone say the HD800s produce vocals better than the HE-500?:blink: Edit. Nevermind.

 

Did someone say the HE-500 has better treble compared to the HE-6?:blink: Yep.

 

Did someone say the HE-500 scales just as high as the HE-6 and HD800s?:blink: Yep.

 

Did someone say they heard the HE-6 perform at it's limit?:blink: I don't know.

 

I loves female vocals so I love the sound of Planars.  Yes, for me the HE-6 is on another level over the HE-500 in all areas (stock). Disagree.

 

If I had to keep only two headphones of the three it would be the HE-6 and the HD800.  Please to tell me I didn't amp them right lol... I'm using the Stingray for the HE-500. Is that not enough? ;)

 

Define "better."  :confused: 

 

My friend has around 200 hours on his HD800, and I have about 150 on my HE-500. If the Stingray, the Calyx, and the LF aren't enough then I give up, I don't know what to do...

 

Ah, whatever, happy listening! :D


Edited by Austin Morrow - 12/30/13 at 7:34pm
post #310 of 1025

^ It's all good! guys and gals.  Don't take things too personal!  Heck, my $800 DAC got called a piece of shiit and I don't even care much.  Any audio related hobbies has a lot of smoke blown around.  Just don't let the smoke tear your eyes.  :D

post #311 of 1025
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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post
 

^ It's all good! guys and gals.  Don't take things too personal!  Heck, my $800 DAC got called a piece of shiit and I don't even care much.  Any audio related hobbies has a lot of smoke blown around.  Just don't let the smoke tear your eyes.  :D

Actually that DAC is pretty bad for the price lol. I think I had it for maybe two weeks when it was newly released and couldn't bear it anymore :o

post #312 of 1025

I hope you guys take some time out to enjoy the music.:blink:

post #313 of 1025
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Originally Posted by StanD View Post
 

I hope you guys take some time out to enjoy the music.:blink:

 

Oh I do, but me being a reviewer and all, and an OCD freak, I like to analyze the little inconsistencies. ;)

post #314 of 1025
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Originally Posted by Austin Morrow View Post
 

 

Define "better."  :confused: 

 

My friend has around 200 hours on his HD800, and I have about 150 on my HE-500. If the Stingray, the Calyx, and the LF aren't enough then I give up, I don't know what to do...

 

Ah, whatever, happy listening! :D

The amp is more than enough for the HE-500 and HD800 yes.    The HE-6 is a different story.  

 

If you think the HE-500 can scale as high as the HE-6 - more power to you.  I would suggest you take both headphones to an audio store that will let you test each headphone on the different high end amps they have.  I've done this many of times and the result was all ways the same.  The HE-6 leaves the HE-500 in the dust on most amps.

 

If the HE-500 is not modded or have a pair of modded pads o them.  The HE-6 treble is way more refined with enough current fed to them.

 

There's a reason the HE-6 is the flag ship and the HE-500 "IS NOT"

post #315 of 1025
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Originally Posted by brunk View Post
 

Actually that DAC is pretty bad for the price lol. I think I had it for maybe two weeks when it was newly released and couldn't bear it anymore :o

See! For me, it's perfectly fine.  I listened to the new Mytek and the TEAC and prefer the TEAC's sound.  Go figure, right?  I don't mind.

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