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post #286 of 1025
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Originally Posted by Austin Morrow View Post
 

 

Hehehehe. :beerchug: 

 

Edit: Hey, M-13, not to de-rail the thread, but I have one quick question for you. How do you find the physical slam and impact of the LCD-2 vs. the HE-500? Curious on your thoughts.


Hey Austin,

 

When you say slam/impact are you talking about diaphram excursion? Like how much air hits your eardrums? That's my definition of impact/slam and under that defnition the HE-500 has more slam than the LCD-2. The LCD-2 has great slam but the HE-500, driven from a speaker amp, has even more. It literally thunders along in quick dynamic passages of music and leaves my jaw-dropped. That being said the LCD-2 is awesome in this regard too. I would say the difference is less than 10%.

post #287 of 1025
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Originally Posted by M-13 View Post
 


Hey Austin,

 

When you say slam/impact are you talking about diaphram excursion? Like how much air hits your eardrums? That's my definition of impact/slam and under that defnition the HE-500 has more slam than the LCD-2. The LCD-2 has great slam but the HE-500, driven from a speaker amp, has even more. It literally thunders along in quick dynamic passages of music and leaves my jaw-dropped. That being said the LCD-2 is awesome in this regard too. I would say the difference is less than 10%.

This is the exact impression I got when listening to LCD2 and HE500 driven by the Emotiva at the last CA meet.  2, 3 other people confirmed this too.  At first, I thought I was imagining things...The bass on the LCD2 is a bit cleaner and more controlled to my ears though.

post #288 of 1025
I'm tellin' ya'll. Go audition the HE-500 out of the Stingray and you will eat your words about them not being on the same level as the HE-6 and the HD800, and about the no scalability factor, which it total BS, IMHO.


Edited by Austin Morrow - 12/30/13 at 4:43pm
post #289 of 1025

I finally got my HD800 today. I had purposely deferred delivery til today since I was out of town all last week. So far sounding pretty good even without burn-in. I only had my Audioengine D3 DAC with it's weak little amp at work when it arrived, and I was surprised how not terrible it sounded. I actually tried the same setup briefly when I had my friend's HD800 on hand, and I recall it to sound thin, but that was doing A/B with it plugged into Crack. Also I couldn't play too loudly at work, so that may have helped the sound.

 

Now that I'm home I can clearly tell the HD800 sounds better through the Crack, but even still A/Bing against just the D3, it didn't do so terribly. Not as thin as I recalled it. I have a suspicion that it's because there's some subconscious bias involved, as this time the HD800 are mine and I plan on keeping, so I'll believe them to sound better. Either that or burn-in makes it sound worse for me :eek:. Or, of course, there are slight variations to each HD800, or possibly revisions, and my friend may have had an older version. One thing I swear on though, is there is less sibilance on my pair. Actually I don't find sibilance a problem at all. I remember a certain artist on the HD800 to sound sibilant and thin throughout even with the Crack (YUI, female JPop vocals, high mids). But upon hearing today, I don't find it that way at all. Good news is I plan to keep both the HE-500 and HD800 so that bias should be equally applied, so any comparison between the two should be valid and free from ownership bias. I also plan on comparing to my Koss ESP-950.

 

I'll write a formal in-depth review on HD800 vs HE-500 vs. ESP-950 in a few weeks once I get some burn-in on the HD800 and lose some of that new toy excitement. It'll be a battle royal between dynamic, planar magnetic, and electrostatic! :D

post #290 of 1025
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Originally Posted by Sonido View Post
 

I finally got my HD800 today. I had purposely deferred delivery til today since I was out of town all last week. So far sounding pretty good even without burn-in. I only had my Audioengine D3 DAC with it's weak little amp at work when it arrived, and I was surprised how not terrible it sounded. I actually tried the same setup briefly when I had my friend's HD800 on hand, and I recall it to sound thin, but that was doing A/B with it plugged into Crack. Also I couldn't play too loudly at work, so that may have helped the sound.

 

Now that I'm home I can clearly tell the HD800 sounds better through the Crack, but even still A/Bing against just the D3, it didn't do so terribly. Not as thin as I recalled it. I have a suspicion that it's because there's some subconscious bias involved, as this time the HD800 are mine and I plan on keeping, so I'll believe them to sound better. Either that or burn-in makes it sound worse for me :eek:. Or, of course, there are slight variations to each HD800, or possibly revisions, and my friend may have had an older version. One thing I swear on though, is there is less sibilance on my pair. Actually I don't find sibilance a problem at all. I remember a certain artist on the HD800 to sound sibilant and thin throughout even with the Crack (YUI, female JPop vocals, high mids). But upon hearing today, I don't find it that way at all. Good news is I plan to keep both the HE-500 and HD800 so that bias should be equally applied, so any comparison between the two should be valid and free from ownership bias. I also plan on comparing to my Koss ESP-950.

 

I'll write a formal in-depth review on HD800 vs HE-500 vs. ESP-950 in a few weeks once I get some burn-in on the HD800 and lose some of that new toy excitement. It'll be a battle royal between dynamic, planar magnetic, and electrostatic! :D

 

Mine came in this morning, s/n 26614.  Like you, since 2pm PST, I've been searching for that treble spike/sibilance specifically but can't quite find it yet.  Either I am deaf or something is going on here.  Both of us listened to Jing's HD800.  I did hear the treble spike on his quite a bit on a few of my favorite vocals.   Unit variation?

post #291 of 1025
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Mine came in this morning, s/n 266XX.  Like you, since 2pm PST, I've been searching for that treble spike/sibilance specifically but can't quite find it yet.  Either I am deaf or something is going on here.  Both of us listened to Jing's HD800.  I did hear the treble spike on his quite a bit on a few of my favorite vocals.   Unit variation?


Yeah gotta find out his S/N. If there is a variation for later batches, and if it's determined to be better sounding, he's gonna be really pissed haha. :D

post #292 of 1025

I am sorry, but those of you saying the HD-800 bass is real and palpable ("wet") need to go visit your local concerts and venues to re-calibrate with the true thing. That is all :tongue:

post #293 of 1025
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Originally Posted by brunk View Post
 

I am sorry, but those of you saying the HD-800 bass is real and palpable ("wet") need to go visit your local concerts and venues to re-calibrate with the true thing. That is all :tongue:

While I agree with you 100% about HD800's bass being NOT palpable("wet"), I disagree about concerts and even small local venues being the reference for what can be considered "real". Bass/low frequencies are often so exaggerated/boosted/even distorted through AV system at concerts and local venues.  If you said "go to a local venue where the band performs 100% acoustically and set your reference", I would tend to agree more.  I've played drums and bass guitars for many years and still do daily.  The variation in drum heads, sizes, dampening, kick....have tremendous effect on the sound from a drum set; same with acoustic bass guitar.  It is very difficult to listen to even a well mastered track and say "this sounds like the real thing" cuz you just don't know.  IMO and experience anyway.  ;) 

post #294 of 1025
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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post
 

While I agree with you 100% about HD800's bass being NOT palpable("wet"), I disagree about concerts and even small local venues being the reference for what can be considered "real". Bass/low frequencies are often so exaggerated/boosted/even distorted through AV system at concerts and local venues.  If you said "go to a local venue where the band performs 100% acoustically and set your reference", I would tend to agree more.  I've played drums and bass guitars for many years and still do daily.  The variation in drum heads, sizes, dampening, kick....have tremendous effect on the sound from a drum set; same with acoustic bass guitar.  It is very difficult to listen to even a well mastered track and say "this sounds like the real thing" cuz you just don't know.  IMO and experience anyway.  ;) 

An A/V system is not an instrument. I should have have clarified. I am talking about "live" music. I too have played various instruments such as Cello, Guitar (electric/acoustic, but my fav style was Flamenco), Indian Flute and a little drum. I think we just had a misunderstanding lol. I do agree that there is no substitute to playing an instrument yourself and playing it back in a system. If someone denies that as a reference, I am going to have to bust out the whip :evil:

post #295 of 1025

Sounds like a bass fight in progress. Next topic, flat or round wounds.

post #296 of 1025
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Originally Posted by StanD View Post
 

Sounds like a bass fight in progress. Next topic, flat or round wounds.

Nah, no bass fight :tongue_smile: All 3 headphones 500, 6, and 800 are all great, but a nit has to be picked somewhere for sake of the thread topic. With that, the HE-6 takes the "bass cake" without question. And yes I'll repeat that I have all 3 in my possession, but I digress...

post #297 of 1025
Just the fact that this thread is still going on proves the HE-500 is Summit-Fi.....

HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE.
post #298 of 1025
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Originally Posted by brunk View Post
 

An A/V system is not an instrument. I should have have clarified. I am talking about "live" music. I too have played various instruments such as Cello, Guitar (electric/acoustic, but my fav style was Flamenco), Indian Flute and a little drum. I think we just had a misunderstanding lol. I do agree that there is no substitute to playing an instrument yourself and playing it back in a system. If someone denies that as a reference, I am going to have to bust out the whip :evil:

Indian flutes? You are shiiting me!  now, that's awesome.  We can totally hang out.  :beerchug:

+1 to the rest of what you said.

 


Edited by koiloco - 12/30/13 at 6:53pm
post #299 of 1025
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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post
 

Indian flutes? You are shiiting me!  now, that's awesome.  We can totally hang out.  :beerchug:

+1 to the rest of what you said.

 

:eek: No way! Very cool man :)

 

It's a small world after all.

post #300 of 1025
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Originally Posted by brunk View Post
 

Nah, no bass fight :tongue_smile: All 3 headphones 500, 6, and 800 are all great, but a nit has to be picked somewhere for sake of the thread topic. With that, the HE-6 takes the "bass cake" without question. And yes I'll repeat that I have all 3 in my possession, but I digress...

I have an HD600 as well as HE-500 and listened plenty to the HD800's. The differences are not might and day, you want that listen to Beats, I prefer the bass of the HE-500's and the treble of the HD600's. I could live with either set of can's, although right now the 500's are resting on my head pounding sound waves into it.

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