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post #271 of 1025
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Originally Posted by TheDuke990 View Post
 

 

I prefer to trust my own ears and not something which was written by a guy (Tyll) which is proven as a lover of Audeze headphones which are definitely not neutral or natural.

Okay the mids and treble are slightly better out of HE-500 compared to LCD-2 but for me not good enough compared to HD800.

And bass ... regardless which drums you are listening to, out of an Audeze headphone they sounds always the same. Booom ... long and deep but not dry and fast.

The HE-500 is a little bit better than LCD-2 but for me the dynamic of HD800 is much better.

 

Nevertheless all 3 are great headphones with different soundings :) !

 

Again, I'll agree to disagree. But, this is Head-Fi, it's to be expected. :)

 

:beerchug:

post #272 of 1025
A lot of people here seem to be talking without any first hand experience with the HD800's... In no way can say the HE500 is superior to the HD800 if you've heard both driven decently. The only arguable factor in which the HE500 can compete is bass, and even then; the HD800 proves to be better. Yes the HE500 sounds much more natural and deep, but in fact it doesn't go as deep as the HD800. What makes the HE500 sound beautiful musically down low is the slight looseness of the midbasses and overall wooly bass. Sub bass is not even as good as the HD800, which is dynamic.

I've owned the HE500 a while ago as my first flagship, and it's an unbelievable bang for the buck performer, but if you want to compete/ beat out the HD800 in many regards; you have to go with the HE6 (which I replaced the 500 with and can wholeheartily say is just as good as HD800's)
Edited by dleblanc343 - 12/30/13 at 9:59am
post #273 of 1025
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Originally Posted by TheDuke990 View Post

I prefer to trust my own ears and not something which was written by a guy (Tyll) which is proven as a lover of Audeze headphones which are definitely not neutral or natural.
Okay the mids and treble are slightly better out of HE-500 compared to LCD-2 but for me not good enough compared to HD800.
And bass ... regardless which drums you are listening to, out of an Audeze headphone they sounds always the same. Booom ... long and deep but not dry and fast.
The HE-500 is a little bit better than LCD-2 but for me the dynamic of HD800 is much better.

Nevertheless all 3 are great headphones with different soundings smily_headphones1.gif !
You still haven't mentioned your chain with the HE-500 tongue.gif
post #274 of 1025
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Originally Posted by Sonido View Post


You still haven't mentioned your chain with the HE-500 tongue.gif

 

I know and I will not do it :D

I don't believe in amp sound. If you have a decent amp which sounds neutral without boosting any frequency, it doesn't make any differences if it costs 200€ oder 2000€. Two weeks ago I compared my O2 with a Bryston BHA-1 and I was not able to hear any difference. Hmmm ... could this be ? Okay I asked 2 friends of mine with the same fable for hifi and they cannot hear any difference as well.

 

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Originally Posted by Austin Morrow View Post
 

 

Again, I'll agree to disagree. But, this is Head-Fi, it's to be expected. :)

 

:beerchug:

 

:beerchug: 


Edited by TheDuke990 - 12/30/13 at 10:10am
post #275 of 1025
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Originally Posted by Sonido View Post

Anyone making a statement on a direct comparison of the two need to state the chain for each.


+1

 

otherwise your opinion is less than useless.


Edited by M-13 - 12/30/13 at 10:14am
post #276 of 1025
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Originally Posted by M-13 View Post
 


+1

 

otherwise your opinion is less than useless.

 

I submitted my chain to the headphone kingdom. ;)

post #277 of 1025
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Originally Posted by Austin Morrow View Post
 

 

I submitted my chain to the headphone kingdom. ;)


Yup. I saw that. Haha, this is why your opinions actually matter. ROFL:veryevil:

post #278 of 1025
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Originally Posted by M-13 View Post
 


Yup. I saw that. Haha, this is why your opinions actually matter. ROFL:veryevil:

 

Hehehehe. :beerchug: 

 

Edit: Hey, M-13, not to de-rail the thread, but I have one quick question for you. How do you find the physical slam and impact of the LCD-2 vs. the HE-500? Curious on your thoughts.


Edited by Austin Morrow - 12/30/13 at 10:24am
post #279 of 1025
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Originally Posted by TheDuke990 View Post
 

 

I prefer to trust my own ears and not something which was written by a guy (Tyll) which is proven as a lover of Audeze headphones which are definitely not neutral or natural.

Okay the mids and treble are slightly better out of HE-500 compared to LCD-2 but for me not good enough compared to HD800.

And bass ... regardless which drums you are listening to, out of an Audeze headphone they sounds always the same. Booom ... long and deep but not dry and fast.

The HE-500 is a little bit better than LCD-2 but for me the dynamic of HD800 is much better.

 

Nevertheless all 3 are great headphones with different soundings :) !


honestly I don't take reviews as a holy grail....but the guy maybe prefers those headphones for a reason.

He talks about the HD800 extremely well...so there's no point.

 

I can't argue about the LCD2, never owned...

 

the boom and lack of dynamics is definately an amp problem. there's absolutely no boom in my bass (velour pads) and they are very well articulated.

 

however, dry is NOT an adjective that should be used to describe a REAL bass. bass is visceral, punchy, powerfull and obviously articulated and defined,but it's not as fast as a treble note, it should have is right decay time.....the whistle-like hd800 bass is not real, it just attempts to give those details, drying out the sound...


Edited by Blasyrkh - 12/30/13 at 10:59am
post #280 of 1025
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Originally Posted by Sonido View Post

You still haven't mentioned your chain with the HE-500 tongue.gif
Nad M51>McIntosh MC225 (or mjolnir but I dont use it)>HD800/HE6.

Also have audioquest interconnects but that's a minor change (nrg1000 power cable, diamond usb, victoria rca or xlr DHC's.
post #281 of 1025
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Originally Posted by dleblanc343 View Post

Nad M51>McIntosh MC225 (or mjolnir but I dont use it. It is good with he500's though)>HD800/HE6.

Also have audioquest interconnects but that's a minor change (nrg1000 power cable, diamond usb, victoria rca or xlr DHC's.
post #282 of 1025
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Originally Posted by Austin Morrow View Post


I guess we will agree to disagree then. Because as I listen to both the HD800 and the HE-500 through proper amplification, it's a very different story. Very comparable. And yes, the HD800 is better at vocals, but the HE-500 are much more natural and smooth sounding, IMHO. Also, bloated and boosted bass? No, with proper amplification, the LCD-2 has an amazing physical ability when it comes to slam and impact, coupled with tightness down low and fantastic transient speed.

Again, YMMV.


Having listened to both extensively and having the HD800 coming in today as a permanent member of my HP collection, I will have to agree with Austin on this one 100%

post #283 of 1025
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Originally Posted by Blasyrkh View Post


Obviously each opinion is different and respectable...

He500 has a spike too,it's not perfect...the point is compared to hd800.


The spike you referred to must be the treble spike.  If so, it's much worse on the HD800 even on a very nice tube amp such as Woo WA22;  IMO, of course!

post #284 of 1025
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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post
 


The spike you referred to must be the treble spike.  If so, it's much worse on the HD800 even on a very nice tube amp such as Woo WA22;  IMO, of course!


that is the point I was talking about ;)

post #285 of 1025
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Originally Posted by dleblanc343 View Post

A lot of people here seem to be talking without any first hand experience with the HD800's... In no way can say the HE500 is superior to the HD800 if you've heard both driven decently. The only arguable factor in which the HE500 can compete is bass, and even then; the HD800 proves to be better. Yes the HE500 sounds much more natural and deep, but in fact it doesn't go as deep as the HD800. What makes the HE500 sound beautiful musically down low is the slight looseness of the midbasses and overall wooly bass. Sub bass is not even as good as the HD800, which is dynamic.

I've owned the HE500 a while ago as my first flagship, and it's an unbelievable bang for the buck performer, but if you want to compete/ beat out the HD800 in many regards; you have to go with the HE6 (which I replaced the 500 with and can wholeheartily say is just as good as HD800's)

Respectfully disagree with your first bolded sentence about HE500's bass doesn't go as deep as HD800.

100% agree with your 2nd bolded statement about HE500 being looser and overall wooly bass.  I personally call it "wetter bass"

 

My audio chain is :

Foobar (lossless and HD + DSD) => TEAC UD 501 DSD DAC => either Emotiva Mini-X or Woo WA22 => HE500 / HD800

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