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post #256 of 991
If you guys are patient for deals, you can get both HD800 and HE-500 new for the MSRP of the HD800 like I did biggrin.gif

And before you guys hate on me, my first major purchase was the HD700 for the full price at the time of $1000. I've come a long way as far as saavy headphone buying.
post #257 of 991
I'd put the HD800s on a well powered tube amp or a natural sounding SS amp. Put the HE-500s on a speaker amp with plenty of juice on reserve, though the 500s can be ran off a lot of headphone amps. Well, if you get the HE-6, you're in good stead for the best sounding headphones under $1500 ea. biggrin.gif
post #258 of 991
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Originally Posted by Happy Camper View Post

I'd put the HD800s on a well powered tube amp or a natural sounding SS amp. Put the HE-500s on a speaker amp with plenty of juice on reserve, though the 500s can be ran off a lot of headphone amps. Well, if you get the HE-6, you're in good stead for the best sounding headphones under $1500 ea. biggrin.gif

Don't forget the electric bill, you are referring to an HE-6.:D

post #259 of 991
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Originally Posted by Happy Camper View Post

I'd put the HD800s on a well powered tube amp or a natural sounding SS amp. Put the HE-500s on a speaker amp with plenty of juice on reserve, though the 500s can be ran off a lot of headphone amps. Well, if you get the HE-6, you're in good stead for the best sounding headphones under $1500 ea. biggrin.gif

Precisely my plan all along.  :beerchug:

post #260 of 991
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Originally Posted by Blasyrkh View Post
 

overemphasized treble doesn't mean more detail, and lack of dynamics is quite obvious if you don't amp them well.

 

 

what about bass slam, articulation, timbre, coherency through the whole spectrum, dynamics.

Hd800 are uppermidrange-centric headphones, from that comes the illusion of a bigger soundstage and better detail if compared to orthos...but a sibilance feast too.

HD800 bass is one-note sounding (damn I agree with innerfidelity) like all dynamic headphones...orthos are on another level(and estats too). It seems detailed and articulated because is TOO tight and recessed, but that is NOT real.

have you ever listened to a REAL bass? in a jazz club? or an electric bass live? how the hell could you compare the timbre of the HD800 to a live performance?

 

I agree with some statements about better soundstage, dynamics, speed(trebles) of the HD800....but there are many flaws too...and speaking about HD800 MUCH better is pure nonsense.

 

The HD800 is much better than HE-500 and the bass performance is much more neutral and real then the Hifiman performance.

Most of the Orthos lives only from there "impressive bass" but quantity has nothing to do with the quality. For example the bass from LCD-2 is boosted and bloated but not fast or correct. And e.g. the voices with HE-500 are awful compared to the clear voices out of HD800.
I owned HD800, T1, LCD-X, LCD-2 and HE-500 but the best by far is the HD800 because it is more real/neutral and not sounded like the other cans.

post #261 of 991
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Originally Posted by TheDuke990 View Post

The HD800 is much better than HE-500 and the bass performance is much more neutral and real then the Hifiman performance.
Most of the Orthos lives only from there "impressive bass" but quantity has nothing to do with the quality. For example the bass from LCD-2 is boosted and bloated but not fast or correct. And e.g. the voices with HE-500 are awful compared to the clear voices out of HD800.

I owned HD800, T1, LCD-X, LCD-2 and HE-500 but the best by far is the HD800 because it is more real/neutral and not sounded like the other cans.

I guess we will agree to disagree then. Because as I listen to both the HD800 and the HE-500 through proper amplification, it's a very different story. Very comparable. And yes, the HD800 is better at vocals, but the HE-500 are much more natural and smooth sounding, IMHO. Also, bloated and boosted bass? No, with proper amplification, the LCD-2 has an amazing physical ability when it comes to slam and impact, coupled with tightness down low and fantastic transient speed.

Again, YMMV.
Edited by Austin Morrow - 12/30/13 at 8:52am
post #262 of 991

Nope !

Maybe the HE-500 sounds smooth but in my ears not natural. Some for LCD-2. Only bass but lacks of treble and mids as well.

post #263 of 991
Anyone making a statement on a direct comparison of the two need to state the chain for each.
post #264 of 991
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Originally Posted by StanD View Post

If anything the HE-500 has a bit of a treble emphasis that is not natural. As I remember Jerg calls it a "Sonic Annoyance."
Your enthusiastic position may not match everyone's opinion
Obviously each opinion is different and respectable...

He500 has a spike too,it's not perfect...the point is compared to hd800.
post #265 of 991
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Originally Posted by TheDuke990 View Post

The HD800 is much better than HE-500 and the bass performance is much more neutral and real then the Hifiman performance.
Most of the Orthos lives only from there "impressive bass" but quantity has nothing to do with the quality. For example the bass from LCD-2 is boosted and bloated but not fast or correct. And e.g. the voices with HE-500 are awful compared to the clear voices out of HD800.

I owned HD800, T1, LCD-X, LCD-2 and HE-500 but the best by far is the HD800 because it is more real/neutral and not sounded like the other cans.
Quantity doesn't mean quality,you are right...but bass weight has everything to do with the real thing. Reading out and there you are the only one stating there is no articulation and overemphasized bass in the he500...innerfidelity is one of those readings. Another one was posted in page 13 of this thread...
post #266 of 991
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Originally Posted by Sonido View Post

Anyone making a statement on a direct comparison of the two need to state the chain for each.

 

You mean the audio chain?

 

MacBook Pro > FLAC Files > Fidelia > Calyx 24/192 DAC > Cavalli Audio Liquid Fire > HD800

MacBook Pro > FLAC Files > Fidelia > Calyx 24/192 DAC > Manley Stingray off speaker taps > HE-500

post #267 of 991
Right sorry...
benchmark dac1 -> yaoin 300b speaker out with adapter
post #268 of 991
I think we'll soon see those impressed by HE-500 are using speaker amps and those not are using underpowered headphone amps.
post #269 of 991

Sorry, but off these two setups, I'm listening to what my ears are telling me, and what my ears are telling me is when these headphones are at their pinnacle when it comes to performance (if Cavalli and Manley are not the best, or at least, very high-end, then I don't know what to think anymore), they are very comparable when it comes to sonic technicality.

 

For a headphone to be better than one another, IMHO, it needs to best it in it's respectable category, and the HD800 and the HE-500 are divided.

 

The HE-500 has much more articulated bass, better slam and impact, faster transients, and a greater overall sense of speed, the usual planar magnetic sound. So, for me, the HE-500 is better at bass. The HD800's midrange doesn't have body and fullness like the HD800, it's overly clear, excruciatingly revealing, and thin. So, for me, the HE-500 has a better and more enjoyable midrange. The HD800 bests the HE-500 when it comes to imaging, soundstage, and detail extraction, and that's the jist of it, it's not an overall better headphone, it's a different flavor of high-end.

 

EDIT: I think the only reason that the HE-500 doesn't get a lot of the respect it deserves Is because of improper amplification. Even though the HE-6 is a power hungry monster, the HE-500 isn't far off. They are identical headphones, one uses gold, one uses silver (or aluminum? I can't remember). Give the HE-500 the power it deserves and it will easily rival headphones like the HE-6, HD800, LCD-2/3, and others.


Edited by Austin Morrow - 12/30/13 at 9:45am
post #270 of 991
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Originally Posted by Blasyrkh View Post


Quantity doesn't mean quality,you are right...but bass weight has everything to do with the real thing. Reading out and there you are the only one stating there is no articulation and overemphasized bass in the he500...innerfidelity is one of those readings. Another one was posted in page 13 of this thread...

 

I prefer to trust my own ears and not something which was written by a guy (Tyll) which is proven as a lover of Audeze headphones which are definitely not neutral or natural.

Okay the mids and treble are slightly better out of HE-500 compared to LCD-2 but for me not good enough compared to HD800.

And bass ... regardless which drums you are listening to, out of an Audeze headphone they sounds always the same. Booom ... long and deep but not dry and fast.

The HE-500 is a little bit better than LCD-2 but for me the dynamic of HD800 is much better.

 

Nevertheless all 3 are great headphones with different soundings :) !

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