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Originally Posted by richard51 View Post
 

hello to all of you hi-fi friends.... I have a Aune T1(+ amperex orange globe)  and i decide to try my Hifiman he 400 with another dac for the cheap price of 50 dollars : the Hifimediy usb dac....I try a comparison between these two dacs .... I use the amp section of the Aune t1 with the Hifimedyi dac... Same amp and two dacs....The winner is clearly for my ears the cheap Hifimediy.....I decide to order the asynchronus version of this dac (60 dollars price)

I will give to you my impression in the near future....the sound of the Hifimedyi dac civilized the harshness or the tizz of the treble of the he 400.....I have ordered another amp for comparison with the amp section of the Aune t1.....The Bravo Ocean is 120 dollars tube amp  and i am curious to see if the sound of this tube amp will compare with the Amp section of the T1... Perhaps i will combine the aune amp with the ocean for preamp and the hifimediy dac ....... Have you some idea about that ?

I read somewhere, Ocean owner claim that Ocean drive his HD 650 very well. He tried Crack and recall from his memory that Ocean just a tad below Crack. That part make me interested...

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Originally Posted by richard51 View Post
 

hello to all of you hi-fi friends.... I have a Aune T1(+ amperex orange globe)  and i decide to try my Hifiman he 400 with another dac for the cheap price of 50 dollars : the Hifimediy usb dac....I try a comparison between these two dacs .... I use the amp section of the Aune t1 with the Hifimedyi dac... Same amp and two dacs....The winner is clearly for my ears the cheap Hifimediy.....I decide to order the asynchronus version of this dac (60 dollars price)

I will give to you my impression in the near future....the sound of the Hifimedyi dac civilized the harshness or the tizz of the treble of the he 400.....I have ordered another amp for comparison with the amp section of the Aune t1.....The Bravo Ocean is 120 dollars tube amp  and i am curious to see if the sound of this tube amp will compare with the Amp section of the T1... Perhaps i will combine the aune amp with the ocean for preamp and the hifimediy dac ....... Have you some idea about that ?

 

Bad news for me having just bought an Aune.

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Originally Posted by mhamel View Post
 

 

The amplifier section of the T1 does not drive the Fostex planars very well.   Tube rolling can change the sound, but the tube in the T1 is a buffer stage, it's not going to increase the power output of the amp.  Ideally, the T1 would be better suited as a DAC driving an outboard amp for that setup.

That sounds like I made a wrong choice. Coupled with the reply saying that a hifimediy dac performs much better than the Aune T1 makes me want to facepalm myself pretty hard :|

 

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Originally Posted by CoiL View Post
 

Hope that tube rolling will help you. You should really get Amperex OG. Stock T50RP were one of my thoughts of upgrading but seems orthos are difficult in finding good match with DAC and need good amp as well. Of course Paradox is different league. I`m still confused about what amp to get because for bang-for-a-buck guy like me, it`s hard to choose from all those cheap amps.

I'll see what I can do, might need to get another amp. I know, I myself am a VFM fanatic. Might get a cheaper Fiio offering, an O2 amp or maybe A Vali/ Modi.

 

I blame headfonia for misguiding me, I was almost *almost* certain on buying a Magni+Modi or a Modi+Vali

 

Feel sorry for you guys. Seems that Aune T1 isn`t for your ears & tube rolling isn`t for you. richard51, one thing I don`t get - you use Aune T1 amp part for comparing when it`s said lot of times already that it isn`t good fit for orthos? Also little info about tubes matching for HE-400 - have you tried different tubes? HE-400 should be littlebit warm-sided ( as I have read ) headphone and probably OG tube + not so good amp part of aune t1 doesn`t end up good. Also Aune T1 amp part is BRIGHT sounding. I would not make so fast judgments vs. some cheap 42$ DAC. It`s like one guy stated that ELE EL-D01 DAC is better than Aune. I bought it, compared it - no match against Aune T1. Lot of ppl also forget to setup their WASAPI / ASIO / KSP properly and it also makes difference, not to mention using bq mp3`s. And as discussed before, async vs. typical is quite pointless in real life music listening - makes no real difference. But all this is subjective, we all hear differently and our taste is different, use different cans, source files, music genre etc.
 
Hope you both find good match for your orthos and your AUne T1 units find their happy place elsewhere ;)
 
Edit: Also, although this is personal opinion but imho you just can`t compare SS DAC with Tube buffered DAC ...tube rolling and finding the sound you like is whole point of that DAC part, plus, you get a decent amp all in one package with cheap price like that!?! Can`t go wrong with that imo.
 
richard51, when you get that bravo amp, bypass the Aune T1 amp and then try difference between that hifimediy & bravo ocean vs. Aune T1 DAC + bravo ocean. That makes more sense than comparing with Aune T1 "weak" & bright sounding amp (note - you said hifimediy DAC made HE-400 harsh highs better). Also, try to roll tubes. After those different tests come again and try to give more detailed descriptions. 

Edited by CoiL - 11/23/13 at 6:06am
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you use Aune T1 amp part for comparing when it`s said lot of times already that it isn`t good fit for orthos?

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I use the amp section of the Aune T1 because i want to have the same amp for my comparison between the two dacs, the Aune Dac and the HfimedIy dac..... I have other tubes but the amperex orange was the better..... I think the aune is a good dac but the pairing with the He 400 was not ideal, because the he 400 has a bright side or a " tizz"   in the higher frequency that is ennoying.... The Hifimediy dac is not a cheap piece, only the price is cheap. This Dac smooth the Tizz and was very good in all respect.... the price is one thing , but the synergy for each particulars ears is another things.... I am also curious to compare the "ss" amp section of the aune  with a tube amp...Because of that i have ordered the Bravo Ocean tube  amp... Some member here said that  the Bravo ocean  will ease the tizz of the he 400 ... I want to try it and  I will communicate my result this week.... The aune is an excelllent piece of equipment, i just dont think that its ideal for the He 400.... the guy of headphonia convince me also few months ago  not to buy the Schiit modi/ magni.... I have no idea of the sound of the Schiit in comparison with the Aune T1 and with the he 400, but  i think now the Aune is without doubt  very good ( with my Fostex th-7b and ath m50 headphones) but not perfect match for the He 400.... I will communicate my results with the new Hifimediy usb u2 asynchronus Dac ( the better version of tis Dac) pairing with  the tube ocean bravo versus Aune t1 tube dac/amp... i will also try the two dacs with the same amp ( ocean Bravo )...thanks to all for your attention and kind help...


Edited by richard51 - 11/23/13 at 6:35am
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 I think the aune is a good dac but the pairing with the He 400 was not ideal, because the he 400 has a bright side or a " tizz"   in the higher frequency that is ennoying.... The Hifimediy dac is not a cheap piece, only the price is cheap. This Dac smooth the Tizz and was very good in all respect

And that`s why it is not good to compare those DACs with Aune T1 bright sounding amp + it probably doesn`t have enough juice to bring those orthos to their potential. Now, imagine you taking more smoother/warmer sounding and powerful amp  than Aune T1 is (bravo ocean?) ...it might get too smooth with highs coupled with that hifimediy sabre. Contrary, bypassing Aune T1 (bright sounding) amp and replacing it with bravo ocean amp (warmer sounding) - Aune T1 DAC might actually sound even better than sabre+ocean coupled with HE-400. And there is also more tube rolling with ocean to do.  

Okay, after getting over the problem of HE-400 harshness and moving to sound part - how do those different setups compare? Soundstage, tightness, transparency, separation, vocals etc. 

That`s my point about not to rush with conclusions hifimediy sabre being better than Aune T1 DAC. 

 

Keep us updated! Thanks in advance.

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Originally Posted by richard51 View Post
 

you use Aune T1 amp part for comparing when it`s said lot of times already that it isn`t good fit for orthos?


I use the amp section of the Aune T1 because i want to have the same amp for my comparison between the two dacs, the Aune Dac and the HfimedIy dac..... I have other tubes but the amperex orange was the better..... I think the aune is a good dac but the pairing with the He 400 was not ideal, because the he 400 has a bright side or a " tizz"   in the higher frequency that is ennoying.... The Hifimediy dac is not a cheap piece, only the price is cheap. This Dac smooth the Tizz and was very good in all respect.... the price is one thing , but the synergy for each particulars ears is another things.... I am also curious to compare the "ss" amp section of the aune  with a tube amp...Because of that i have ordered the Bravo Ocean tube  amp... Some member here said that  the Bravo ocean  will ease the tizz of the he 400 ... I want to try it and  I will communicate my result this week.... The aune is an excelllent piece of equipment, i just dont think that its ideal for the He 400.... the guy of headphonia convince me also few months ago  not to buy the Schiit modi/ magni.... I have no idea of the sound of the Schiit in comparison with the Aune T1 and with the he 400, but  i think now the Aune is without doubt  very good ( with my Fostex th-7b and ath m50 headphones) but not perfect match for the He 400.... I will communicate my results with the new Hifimediy usb u2 asynchronus Dac ( the better version of tis Dac) pairing with  the tube ocean bravo versus Aune t1 tube dac/amp... i will also try the two dacs with the same amp ( ocean Bravo )...thanks to all for your attention and kind help...

Don't judge aune t1's dac using a headphone it can't drive tho, and I'm not sure about whether the bravo ocean can drive it well enough or not either.

post #3366 of 5664
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Originally Posted by isendono View Post
 

Don't judge aune t1's dac using a headphone it can't drive tho, and I'm not sure about whether the bravo ocean can drive it well enough or not either.

 

The Bravo Ocean, and likewise the other Bravo / Indeed / similar amps that are all over eBay have insane amounts of gain (30db).  They work great with high impedance headphones, but are generally not a great match with lower impedance cans.   The stock volume pot is notorious for poor L/R balance at lower volumes, so you'd really want to be able to get up If you're into DIY, they are a lot of fun to mod, and you can turn them into a really nice little amp with some work, but unless you are into that for the fun of DIY, the Project Sunrise/Horizon/Ember are probably better choices (Especially after spending the money on parts for the Bravo).    The HE-400 is 35 ohms / 92.5 dB efficiency, so probably would not be a great match for an amp with so much gain. 

 

The Schiit Vali is supposed to be available starting next week, which may be a better match.   The Little Dot I+ is around the same price as the Bravo and may be a better choice, too.

 

The Hifimediy ESS Sabre DAC is surprisingly good, and has gotten rave reviews - especially given the price point.  It's hard to make an apples-to-apples comparison with the DAC in the T1, as you are always going through the tube buffer in the T1, which intentionally colors the sound.  

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Thread Starter 
Hey fellas the HE-400 sounds excellent with the Aune T1--you just need to find a tube that synergizes with it for maximum enjoyment.
post #3368 of 5664
There are a lot of threads on driving the HE400, they suggest that it's easy to drive and make multiple amp suggestions. Joeq70's comment is a good one, have you tried a little tube rolling before giving up on the T1?
Edited by teb1013 - 11/23/13 at 8:11am
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mhamel, thanks for mentioning LDI+ ...somehow I`ve managed to look past it. I think it`s now my main candidate for tube buffered amp. Rollable opamps sound great too, addition to tubes.

But, since I`m more into budget gear, would like to just try warmer & more powerful SS amp than Aune T1 has and is also cheaper than LDI+. Any recommendations?


Edited by CoiL - 11/23/13 at 12:37pm
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The ecc189 i got from mike is soooooo gooooood :DDD happy me.

post #3371 of 5664
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Originally Posted by CoiL View Post
 

mhamel, thanks for mentioning LDI+ ...somehow I`ve managed to look past it. I think it`s now my main candidate for tube buffered amp. Rollable opamps sound great too, addition to tubes.

But, since I`m more into budget gear, would like to just try warmer & more powerful SS amp than Aune T1 has and is also cheaper than LDI+. Any recommendations?

 

The LD I+ is pretty inexpensive, less than $120 USD.  Cheaper + SS is probably Magni, or maybe one of the Fiio amps, though I'm not too familiar with the Fiio units.

 

If you can find one used, it's a bit older design, but the Purity Audio KICAS Caliente is a nice discrete SS amp that has a warm sound.   Skylab has a great review of it here somewhere on Head-Fi.

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Originally Posted by isendono View Post
 

The ecc189 i got from mike is soooooo gooooood :DDD happy me.

 

Glad you're happy with it, they're nice tubes!

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What ECC189 exactly? My favourite & best ECC189`s are Miniwatt-Dario`s (Chartres France). They are very very good. Only thing to complain maybe is tinybit "lack" of mids & warmness with rock/metal/progressive/jazz music but that`s because I have had taste of Amperex OG GAC (Heerlen Holland) & Ultron SQ PCC189/7ES8 (Bharat India).

But they have best  and tightest bass out of my tubes! Really enjoyable tubes that can take basically every genre.


Edited by CoiL - 11/23/13 at 5:29pm
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Originally Posted by mhamel View Post
 
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Originally Posted by CoiL View Post
 

mhamel, thanks for mentioning LDI+ ...somehow I`ve managed to look past it. I think it`s now my main candidate for tube buffered amp. Rollable opamps sound great too, addition to tubes.

But, since I`m more into budget gear, would like to just try warmer & more powerful SS amp than Aune T1 has and is also cheaper than LDI+. Any recommendations?

 

The LD I+ is pretty inexpensive, less than $120 USD.  Cheaper + SS is probably Magni, or maybe one of the Fiio amps, though I'm not too familiar with the Fiio units.

 

If you can find one used, it's a bit older design, but the Purity Audio KICAS Caliente is a nice discrete SS amp that has a warm sound.   Skylab has a great review of it here somewhere on Head-Fi.

Thanks for info. About LDI+ - you`ll probably have to add opamp & tube rolling cost. I actually don`t want to get into that rolling sickness again! ;D I already have ~40 tubes for Aune T1.

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Originally Posted by richard51 View Post
 

hello to all of you hi-fi friends.... I have a Aune T1(+ amperex orange globe)  and i decide to try my Hifiman he 400 with another dac for the cheap price of 50 dollars : the Hifimediy usb dac....I try a comparison between these two dacs .... I use the amp section of the Aune t1 with the Hifimedyi dac... Same amp and two dacs....The winner is clearly for my ears the cheap Hifimediy.....I decide to order the asynchronus version of this dac (60 dollars price)

I will give to you my impression in the near future....the sound of the Hifimedyi dac civilized the harshness or the tizz of the treble of the he 400.....I have ordered another amp for comparison with the amp section of the Aune t1.....The Bravo Ocean is 120 dollars tube amp  and i am curious to see if the sound of this tube amp will compare with the Amp section of the T1... Perhaps i will combine the aune amp with the ocean for preamp and the hifimediy dac ....... Have you some idea about that ?

 

Bad news for me having just bought an Aune.

 

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Originally Posted by mhamel View Post
 

 

The amplifier section of the T1 does not drive the Fostex planars very well.   Tube rolling can change the sound, but the tube in the T1 is a buffer stage, it's not going to increase the power output of the amp.  Ideally, the T1 would be better suited as a DAC driving an outboard amp for that setup.

 

That sounds like I made a wrong choice. Coupled with the reply saying that a hifimediy dac performs much better than the Aune T1 makes me want to facepalm myself pretty hard :|

 

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Originally Posted by CoiL View Post
 

Hope that tube rolling will help you. You should really get Amperex OG. Stock T50RP were one of my thoughts of upgrading but seems orthos are difficult in finding good match with DAC and need good amp as well. Of course Paradox is different league. I`m still confused about what amp to get because for bang-for-a-buck guy like me, it`s hard to choose from all those cheap amps.

 

I'll see what I can do, might need to get another amp. I know, I myself am a VFM fanatic. Might get a cheaper Fiio offering, an O2 amp or maybe A Vali/ Modi.

 

I blame headfonia for misguiding me, I was almost *almost* certain on buying a Magni+Modi or a Modi+Vali

 

I think richard is talking about the synergy between T1 and he-400, so unless you own he-400, I don't see how this would be bad news for you. He is saying that hifimediy is less bright (and softer) than T1 so it tames the treble of he-400 and therefore has better synergy. If you are using T1 you should definitely try one of the better tubes available / try to work the synergy issues with tube rolling (if you have any). I prefer to roll tubes rather than DACs.

 

And who is saying that MM stack would be better than T1? You shouldn't feel bad reading one or two negative comments when this thread is full of positive reviews and happy customers. You should also make your own impression actually using and experimenting with the product. For people who has followed this thread for a long time know that:

 

a) T1 has enough juice to drive even some of the more power hungry headphones (see the gain settings for optimal performance)

b) if T1 amp power is somehow insufficient you can always get better amp and use T1 as a dac only

c) T1 is on the bright side, so if you own med/treble heavy cans such as HD 800, AKG K/Q series, Grados, audio technicas etc. you should try mellow sounding tube

d) T1 performance excels many rivals in it's price range and can even compete with products costing twice or more as much

e) T1 is NOT tube amp, so those of you looking to get that thick tubey sound might get disappointed

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