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post #1426 of 5701

I need to thank CoiL as well- his recommendations are spot on! I have the Philips tube and it sounds great... much better than this bargain tube I just got. It works better for classical music, but even then, I get so much distortion that it is appalling! The positive out of all of this is that I have a tube with different colored lettering, lol.

 

I tried finding the Ultron PCC189 on eBay, but the only seller I could find wants buyers with at least 50 feedback. The other option I found was a seller that requires at least 50 Euro to order (the tubes are highly affordable but I cannot find 50 Euro worth of tubes that I want).

 

...and so, my search continues...

post #1427 of 5701

So for those of you guys who's used both, which would you say is the better overall tube?  The Amperex orange globe or the Philips PCC189?  I mostly listen to hiphop/rnb/pop and some rock and was hoping to just get one very good overall tube so that I won't get sucked TOO far into the money pit.

 

Just for clarification also, these are the 2 tubes that you guys have all been talking about right?

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/TESTS-NOS-AMPEREX-HOLLAND-ECC88-6DJ8-E88CC-PREAMP-AUDIO-TUBE-439-441-445-446-453-/121085882684?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item1c3147f13c

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/PHILIPS-PCC189-7ES8-NOS-NIB-VINTAGE-VACUUM-TUBE-HEERLEN-HOLLAND-/261186327538?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item3ccfeb13f2


Edited by GaryPham - 4/3/13 at 5:37pm
post #1428 of 5701
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Originally Posted by debuchan View Post

I tried finding the Ultron PCC189 on eBay, but the only seller I could find wants buyers with at least 50 feedback. The other option I found was a seller that requires at least 50 Euro to order (the tubes are highly affordable but I cannot find 50 Euro worth of tubes that I want).

...and so, my search continues...
If you live in the US, I had to buy three (http://www.ebay.com/itm/190815371234?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649) you can have one at what I paid, like 10 dollars, if you want it. I can't imagine ever using three of them, plus I have some pcc88 ultron coming for the hell if it smily_headphones1.gif
post #1429 of 5701
Quote:
Originally Posted by GaryPham View Post

So for those of you guys who's used both, which would you say is the better overall tube?  The Amperex orange globe or the Philips PCC189?  I mostly listen to hiphop/rnb/pop and some rock and was hoping to just get one very good overall tube so that I won't get sucked TOO far into the money pit.

 

Just for clarification also, these are the 2 tubes that you guys have all been talking about right?

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/TESTS-NOS-AMPEREX-HOLLAND-ECC88-6DJ8-E88CC-PREAMP-AUDIO-TUBE-439-441-445-446-453-/121085882684?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item1c3147f13c

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/PHILIPS-PCC189-7ES8-NOS-NIB-VINTAGE-VACUUM-TUBE-HEERLEN-HOLLAND-/261186327538?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item3ccfeb13f2

I certainly prefer the Amperex for Jazz. I honestly haven't done any truly critical listening to any other genre in the short time (just over a month) I've had the T1 and about three weeks with the Amperex. I bought a Phillips PCC189 right after I got the T1 and it sounded overly hard at first - but became much better over time. I still don't put it up there like Coil does - I am liking the Voskhod Rocket 6N3P better and my Holland made Mullard MUCH better (for me, it is neck and neck with the Amperex Orange). I have an Ultron coming from Germany which will hopefully get here soon so I can compare. The Dario Mini watts I've seen are priced way above what I'm willing to spend on a tube.

post #1430 of 5701

So would you say the Amperex Orange your favorite overall tube at the moment?  Just to make sure, the one I posted in the link is the correct Amperex Orange globe right? (I'm assuming since there's a globe in the picture), however, I don't see any mention to A-frame or anything like that which I've seen some of you guys associate with the the orange globes.

post #1431 of 5701

My Amperex 7308 PQ has been delivered to the local post office. Hopefully I have time to pick it up today and post some impressions.

post #1432 of 5701
Quote:
Originally Posted by GaryPham View Post

So for those of you guys who's used both, which would you say is the better overall tube?  The Amperex orange globe or the Philips PCC189?  I mostly listen to hiphop/rnb/pop and some rock and was hoping to just get one very good overall tube so that I won't get sucked TOO far into the money pit.

 

Just for clarification also, these are the 2 tubes that you guys have all been talking about right?

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/TESTS-NOS-AMPEREX-HOLLAND-ECC88-6DJ8-E88CC-PREAMP-AUDIO-TUBE-439-441-445-446-453-/121085882684?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item1c3147f13c

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/PHILIPS-PCC189-7ES8-NOS-NIB-VINTAGE-VACUUM-TUBE-HEERLEN-HOLLAND-/261186327538?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item3ccfeb13f2

 

From my tubes the orange globe gets most listening time (that's why I ordered 4 spares, from which one goes to Coil). The one in your link is dimpled disc A-frame, which is exactly the same tube that I have. I have no complaints listening some Ice Cube and Everlast with this one.

 

The real question is what tube you are using at the moment and how do you find it to suit your music preferences / headphones.

post #1433 of 5701
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Originally Posted by BluesDaddy View Post

I certainly prefer the Amperex for Jazz. 

Agree with that.

 

 

I still don't put it up there like Coil does - I am liking the Voskhod Rocket 6N3P better and my Holland made Mullard MUCH better (for me, it is neck and neck with the Amperex Orange). 

This seems to be mostly matter of taste in your case and also maybe difference in music & cans. But also might be difference in our tubes age. Maybe my tube has had more use and is in degrading period. Who knows.

 

Agree that in burn-in phase Philips ppc189 is littlebit too "harsh" but for me, now it`s on same level with Mullard ECC88 or littlebit better depending on music and 6N23P (reflector logo) "sucks" side of it. Amperex GAC orange is better than both of them imho. 


Edited by CoiL - 4/4/13 at 9:46am
post #1434 of 5701
Quote:
Originally Posted by GaryPham View Post

So would you say the Amperex Orange your favorite overall tube at the moment?  Just to make sure, the one I posted in the link is the correct Amperex Orange globe right? (I'm assuming since there's a globe in the picture), however, I don't see any mention to A-frame or anything like that which I've seen some of you guys associate with the the orange globes.

 

The amperex tube you linked IS with A-frame structure, lol, read more carefully about tubes.

But no. I would not recommend this tube for every genre. For rock/metal/progressive/jazz it is very good.

For electronic atmospheric, downtempo, minimal, house, dub etc. it has too mellow and warm soundstage and needs more air & kick.
But thats only my opinion.

 

The link you gave about Amperex orange has quite good price on them, I would get it and leave 6922EH tube for electronic.

 

Like I`ve said before, for me, best tubes for every genre are Dario-Miniwatt pcc189, Ultron pcc189 & Mazda pcc189 (for me it has too bright & harsh highs with cans but with external speakers it`s good, the room eats the harshness).

 

 

 


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Originally Posted by nykobing View Post
...plus I have some pcc88 ultron coming for the hell if it smily_headphones1.gif

Can you give a link where you bought it? I hope you didn`t think it is same as my ultron pcc189 because they might be totally different sounding.


Edited by CoiL - 4/4/13 at 9:56am
post #1435 of 5701
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Originally Posted by CoiL View Post




Can you give a link where you bought it? I hope you didn`t think it is same as my ultron pcc189 because they might be totally different sounding.

I am sure they sound different, I was just curious, since I have a the PCC189 coming. Here is a link -

http://www.ebay.com/itm/261190564227?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_from%3DR40%26_sacat%3D0%26_nkw%3D261190564227%26_rdc%3D1
post #1436 of 5701
I'm now listening my new purchase: Amperex 7308 white label PQ. First of all I have to say that this tube is in superb condition. All logos are visible and nearly perfectly intact. Looks better than in those pictures Quartz have in their website. Great great collectors item that will surely get the premium spot in my cigar box.

Well what about the sound then? The sound is actually pretty similar with my Telefunken 7DJ8. Very transparent, airy and neutral. Maybe a tad warmer than the Tele, but I'm yet to really confirm this. Mids are strong like in the case of orange globe. Also the bass has more control and the overall separation and clarity is better. If you need more kick than what the orange globe offers this is not the tube for you. With 7308, It's easy to enjoy music and notice all the small things going on in the mix. Both Amperex white label and Telefunken 7DJ8 are fantastic for jazz and instrumentals since you can easily hear all the brushes and strokes of individual instruments. Purely performance wise I'd say that, from my current tube collection, Telefunken and Amperex white label are on par followed by Amperex orange globe and Siemens 7DJ8. I hardly ever listen to those other tubes.

So another good question is whether this Amperex is worth the price I paid? Well this is in my opinion more neutral and accurate sounding and hence better tube than orange globe, but it doesn't mean that it's necessarily a better sounding tube in every setup. With some headphones and music styles these analytical tubes could feel less musical than those softer, warmer and mellow tubes. You should also keep in mind that this single 7308 cost me about the same amount of dollars than the 6 tubes haul where I got 3 Telefunken 7DJ8s, 2 Valvo 7DJ8s and a single Siemens 7DJ8 tube. Two of those Teles are in very good condition with logos visible. In this regards the 6 tube haul was of course a better deal, especially considering how good tube the 7DJ8 Tele is. All things considered I'm still happy that I did go for this 7308 white label. It's such a good looking and sounding tube. If you are interested of trying this kind of neutral sound you should also look for those Telefunken tubes. They are really really good! All this being said I really don't think that any tube is worth $100 or somethig ridiculous like that. There are lots of good cheap options out there.

Ok, so I'm now one tube away from completing my collection. The last tube is going to be Ultron and after that I retire from this business and just enjoy the music. My advice, for all of those people who are thinking of what kind of tubes to buy, is to get one forward sounding tube, one neutral analytical tube, one warm and lush tube with good punchy bass and one good overall tube. And in each category try to go for the best tube possible. Finally, you should keep in mind that this tube rolling business is always subjective and while there are those better/best tubes, they do not necessarily have the best synergy with your setup. In my opinion the best tubes are the most neutral ones with superb sound stage, imaging and transparency. Of course this rolling business allows you to find the coloration you are after to reach better overall synergy.

From my collection I recommend:

Rocket logo / Siemens 7DJ8 as the forward sounding tube.
Amperex 7308 white label PQ / Telefunken 7DJ8 as the neutral analytical sounding tube (see Tungsram red label for more affordable substitute).
Amperex 6DJ8 orange world label as the lush mellow sounding tube.
I'm actually still in search for that relatively cheap overall tube. I can of course use all of these above tubes for everything I listen but I'm hoping that the Ultron will fit this description (I wanted to go for British Mullards, but just got so many defective units that I kind of lost the interest).
Edited by Salvatore - 4/5/13 at 1:15am
post #1437 of 5701

Well, I received my Ultron. It actually came on Monday, but since it was registered mail, signature required, I didn't get it. Of course, the Postal Carrier didn't leave the notice in the mail box as they usually do, but at my front door that I rarely use. So, I didn't even see the notice until yesterday when I opened the door to retrieve a UPS box.

 

 

  

 

 

 

This should complete my Tube collection unless, as I stated before, some other "giant killer" gets mentioned.

 

Oh, and since I've never posted pics of my cigar box storage, here are some of that. I don't have the tubes labeled, and have left those that came with boxes in the box. The Ratheon box came with a different tube and I have my Mullard in it.

 

 

   

 

The Ultron has been warming up. Now to give a listen!!

 

Cheers!

post #1438 of 5701

Quote: The Ultron has been warming up. Now to give a listen!!

 

You might say..  the Age of Ultron has begun.  (terrible joke only comic readers would get)


Edited by uncola - 4/7/13 at 1:38pm
post #1439 of 5701

Haha, and you said it when I`m going to order 3 more Ultrons with Salvatore :D
Btw, my Ultrons that were definitely unused or even tested (no marks on pins), sounded really good already out of the box without burn-in :)

post #1440 of 5701
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Originally Posted by BluesDaddy View Post

Oh, and since I've never posted pics of my cigar box storage, here are some of that. I don't have the tubes labeled, and have left those that came with boxes in the box. The Ratheon box came with a different tube and I have my Mullard in it.

 

 

   

 

The Ultron has been warming up. Now to give a listen!!

 

Cheers!

 

Nice pics! Let me know how you like that Ultron. We are now indeed planning on a joint order from uraltone with Coil. And yes he is getting 3 spare Ultrons so it really must be an awesome tube :D

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