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All in all, choosing a dac is like choosing a wife, there is always going to be compromise, even at 10k above level. Cost no object option should be the 4 pieces Vivaldi combo which is the most staggering sounding source I have ever heard but even if I could afford, I wouldn't buy one, as 4 pieces plus a dozen of cables play as a source is just too much for me, I personally prefer a simple system hence 2 pieces as source would be the bottom line.

Based on my limited experience, Sabre chip based dacs share the same sound signature to some extent. Therefore, I would simply choose any one of the anedio D2, X-Sabre, Invicta etc, they should not sound significantly different than each other. However if you are looking for a real upgrade, do pay attention to those from top players like MSB, DCS, emmlab, playback design, esoteric, Wadia, CH precision etc etc.
Edited by nickif - 8/19/13 at 2:49pm
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All in all, choosing a dac is like choosing a wife, there is always going to be compromise, even at 10k above level. Cost no object option should be the 4 pieces Vivaldi combo which is the most staggering sounding source I have ever heard but even if I could afford, I wouldn't buy one, as 4 pieces plus a dozen of cables play as a source is just too much for me, I personally prefer a simple system hence 2 pieces as source would be the bottom line.

Based on my limited experience, Sabre chip based dacs share the same sound signature to some extent. Therefore, I would simply choose any one of the anedio D2, X-Sabre, Invicta etc, they should not sound significantly different than each other. However if you are looking for a real upgrade, do pay attention to those from top players like MSB, DCS, emmlab, playback design, esoteric, Wadia, CH precision etc etc.

 

Forgot Empirical Audio! The Overdrive is calling my name...

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Forgot Empirical Audio! The Overdrive is calling my name...

Define "empirical" please.
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Define "empirical" please.

 

Huh..?

 

http://www.empiricalaudio.com/products/overdrive-dac

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Oops, thought you were talking about a kind of Philosophy...my bad; p
post #1671 of 3650

As long as we're talking about DACs . . .  my dCS Debussy will be looking for a new home soon !  L3000.gif

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/676325/dcs-debussy-dac-192khz-24-bit-interest-check

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Hey MH, this is where I first came across the NOS DAC concept - http://www.audiostream.com/content/metrum-acoustics-hex (in my research of the Metrum Hex DAC). End result is supposed to be more 'analogue' sounding output. Dunno how true it is, but it is something I'm including in my consideration of DACs...

 

Sorry, I still don't follow how you got one DAC was better than the other with that link?

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All in all, choosing a dac is like choosing a wife, there is always going to be compromise, even at 10k above level.

God, whatever you do don't let your wife read this :-)
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Wouldn't let all this talk scare you away.  You can always grow into the chain that you like, not as if you can't swap and compare sources and headphones and the like.  No need to throw money at it necessarily.


Right on the money Sneis, that's exactly what I've done so far. Next up power management

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I am surprised there is so much talk about DACs in the thread about the GS-X.  Some amplifiers have a distinctive coloring, so it becomes important to "pair" them with specific headphones or sources.  As far as I can tell, the GS-X is wire with gain.  Whatever the DAC sounds like, that sound will go through the GS-X. However the headphones sound when driven well, that's what they will sound like.  I wonder if the DAC conversations would be better in some other thread.  I feel for the people who come to this thread wanting to know about the GS-X.

 

As to the whole DAC discussion, I guess I am about to demonstrate that I don't have golden ears.  I have done a bunch of blind A/B/X testing of DACs.  I found that I could easily tell crappy sources from good budget DACs such the Dragonfly, HRT Streamer II+, Centrance DACport, etc.  Less obvious was the different between the budget units and what I consider the "cheap" side of high end such as Lavry DA-11,  Grace m902, Benchmark, Wyre4Sound.  Between the Lavry or Grace and truly high end... I really had to work to hear the differences, and often would not be able to reliably pick out which was which in blind A/B/X tests.  My experience is that the DACs over 2k are the extreme tail of diminishing returns.  I think most people would be better served investing that money in something other than a DAC.

 

--Mark

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Sorry, I still don't follow how you got one DAC was better than the other with that link?

Oh, was just saying that I don't think the Bryston is a NOS DAC and that some consider that to be a negative. I know you can choose to enable oversampling on the Audio-gd M7, not sure about the Bryston.

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I am surprised there is so much talk about DACs in the thread about the GS-X.  Some amplifiers have a distinctive coloring, so it becomes important to "pair" them with specific headphones or sources.  As far as I can tell, the GS-X is wire with gain.  Whatever the DAC sounds like, that sound will go through the GS-X. However the headphones sound when driven well, that's what they will sound like.  I wonder if the DAC conversations would be better in some other thread.  I feel for the people who come to this thread wanting to know about the GS-X.

 

As to the whole DAC discussion, I guess I am about to demonstrate that I don't have golden ears.  I have done a bunch of blind A/B/X testing of DACs.  I found that I could easily tell crappy sources from good budget DACs such the Dragonfly, HRT Streamer II+, Centrance DACport, etc.  Less obvious was the different between the budget units and what I consider the "cheap" side of high end such as Lavry DA-11,  Grace m902, Benchmark, Wyre4Sound.  Between the Lavry or Grace and truly high end... I really had to work to hear the differences, and often would not be able to reliably pick out which was which in blind A/B/X tests.  My experience is that the DACs over 2k are the extreme tail of diminishing returns.  I think most people would be better served investing that money in something other than a DAC.

 

--Mark

I think you answered your own question as to whether it is appropriate to spend time talking about DAC's on the GS-X mk 2 thread!  wink_face.gif

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Oh, was just saying that I don't think the Bryston is a NOS DAC and that some consider that to be a negative. I know you can choose to enable oversampling on the Audio-gd M7, not sure about the Bryston.

Sorry, I still don't follow. But in my experiences with the BDA-2 it was outstanding. I used it with my GS-X MKII and my LCD-3/HD800 headphones. It really was a peach! I was so impressed, I've short listed it as my option as my new DAC. FWIW, I prefer it to the PWD2MKII. But as stated earlier, once you get to about $1500 or so, the law of diminished returns kicks in hard for DACs (unless they are so fatally designed that is).

post #1679 of 3650
I use my HD-600's ( I have a silver 4 pin XLR cable for those headphones which I find makes a big improvement to the SQ ) with my GS-Xmk2 and I'm very happy with that combo, however, I've Just ordered the UM Miracles, and although I'll mainly be using them with my Pico Slim / iPod, I'm also going to try them with my GS-Xmk2 / K-01.
Should be interesting to hear what the difference will be.
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to the people who own/seen the real thing, what color gs-x mkii is better, silver or black? i personally prefer silver, but justin just told me that its only for the front panel and vol knob, and the rest of the amp is black, so now im not sure anymore as i would like to have the color coordinated.

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