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Originally Posted by DarKu View Post

I would say that SR-009 vs HD600 is unfair :)

I would have to agree. I wonder how far apart is the BHSE with 009 from GSX with HD800 though. I have heard both at a meet and the e-stat sounded better to me overall. However, HD800 with GSX had the e-stat beat on the size of sound stage, euphony (I hate that word, but since I have not better one.....), and bass impact. This is all in meet conditions so I could be totally off, but that is how I remember my impression at the time. Soundstaging was the biggest difference. The other two were characteristics were quite close to each other. 


Edited by Cante Ista - 6/13/13 at 3:31am
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I use my copper RCA's with my 009 / BHSE because those RCA's seem to tone down the brightness of the 009's, whereas using the XLR's with my HD-600 / GS- Xmk2 I find improves the detail.

I'm not going to get into a debate on how I feel a good source is to an headphone setup, but the source I have does make my HD-600 / GS-X sound better than some might think.
I haven't heard the HD-800 or any of the other high end dynamic headphones with the GS-X, but I'm able to compare my HD-600 / GS-X with my SR-009 / BHSE, and as I've said, the 009 combo is the better of the two, but the HD-600 combo is still very good.
Head-fier IanG lives a couple of miles from me so I'm going to ask if he'll visit my place and do a comparison of the two headphone combo's, and I'll then ask if he'll write his thoughts on head-fi.
post #1263 of 2692

Not really a need.  IMO

post #1264 of 2692
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

XLR vs. RCA...  unfair..

 

In this case it isn't because the BHSE output is balanced from a single ended input.  If the GS-X mk2 got the single ended input then you could balk.

 

That said, anyone, and I do mean anyone, surprised the BHSE/009 is better than a GS-X/600?  Anyone?


Edited by Solude - 6/13/13 at 5:06am
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In this case it isn't because the BHSE output is balanced from a single ended input.  If the GS-X mk2 got the single ended input then you could balk.

 

That said, anyone, and I do mean anyone, surprised the BHSE/009 is better than a GS-X/600?  Anyone?

I've read many times by other head-fiers that 600/650 driven correctly is a pretty amazing experience, I personally would not no but I would hope BHSE/009 is better


Edited by Gandah - 6/13/13 at 5:16am
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The trouble is, the HD800 driven correctly is more amazing.....

post #1267 of 2692
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The trouble is, the HD800 driven correctly is more amazing.....

True that....

post #1268 of 2692
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Originally Posted by Solude View Post

 

In this case it isn't because the BHSE output is balanced from a single ended input.  If the GS-X mk2 got the single ended input then you could balk.

 

That said, anyone, and I do mean anyone, surprised the BHSE/009 is better than a GS-X/600?  Anyone?


So if the source puts out 2VRMs unbalanced to the BHSEs SE input - it then ups it to 4VRMs balanced going out?

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So if the source puts out 2VRMs unbalanced to the BHSEs SE input - it then ups it to 4VRMs balanced going out?

No, definitely not.

 

SE in, SE out.

 

Bal in, Bal out.

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Not really a need.  IMO

 

I agree.

post #1271 of 2692

No, input voltage stays the same.  But the BHSE swings 1600Vpp? and has a gain of 500x so 4 or 2V input isn't going to matter either.  Most of Kevin's designs are based on 1V input if memory serves.

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I've the HD-600 / GS-Xmk2 and SR-009 / BHSE, and I'm able to compare the two headphone combo's in a matter of seconds.
The HD-600 / GS-X is connected to my Source via XLR interconnects, and the SR-009 / BHSE by RCA's, all that needs to be done is change the setting on the Source.
Obviously both headphones can't be used with both amps, but because of the short time in changing from one headphone combo to the other, it's very easy to hear any difference.
The SR-009 / BHSE is the better of the two combo's, but the HD-600 / GS-X is still very good.

I'm using a pure silver 4 pin XLR custom cable with the HD-600's which I find does improve the SQ quite a lot.

 

Why didn't you use the loop out from one amp to another to make a comparison?  That will be more fair as it is balanced throughout the system.

 

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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

XLR vs. RCA...  unfair..

Yup...but BHSE converts all signal into balanced anyway.  Still I prefer the balanced input from DAC into the amp vs. RCA.

 

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Originally Posted by DarKu View Post

I would say that SR-009 vs HD600 is unfair :)

Yup, the HD800 balanced is better.  Still the HD800 is not in the same league as the SR009.  From my experience, only the R10 and Qualia with a really special amp driven in a balanced form can approach BHSE+SR009 level.  The HD800 is really good in balanced mode as well but not quite up to the R10 & Qualia level.  The HD600 is also very nice but still a notch below the HD800 IMO.  

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Originally Posted by Cante Ista View Post

I would have to agree. I wonder how far apart is the BHSE with 009 from GSX with HD800 though. I have heard both at a meet and the e-stat sounded better to me overall. However, HD800 with GSX had the e-stat beat on the size of sound stage, euphony (I hate that word, but since I have not better one.....), and bass impact. This is all in meet conditions so I could be totally off, but that is how I remember my impression at the time. Soundstaging was the biggest difference. The other two were characteristics were quite close to each other. 

 

I think the HD800 has one of the widest soundstage.  So when it is driven balanced, the soundstage gets better.  The SR009 has better instrument placement in the stage as well as having better depth though.  Again, I auditioned the GS-X MKII in my own environment in the past...and I loved it....truth is...the BHSE is just better.  That was one of the reason why I speculate that the GS-X MKII is likely in the same playing field with the KGSSHV amplifier.

 

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Originally Posted by Gandah View Post

I've read many times by other head-fiers that 600/650 driven correctly is a pretty amazing experience, I personally would not no but I would hope BHSE/009 is better

The 600/650 are crazy good man. They are probably the best deal under $500 for sure.

 

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Originally Posted by wink View Post

The trouble is, the HD800 driven correctly is more amazing.....

Agree with this.  It went from "good" to "spectacular" headphones after a balanced cable and amp upgrade.  The cable is APS V3 & amp is my Gilmore Reference Balanced (GS-X with better parts & PSU).


Edited by purk - 6/13/13 at 8:16am
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FWIW, after careful experimenting (with the same type of interconnect cables and headphone cables exactly) my HD800s are quite better balanced through the whole chain.

They are just more relaxed and fuller, non-peaky, with a richer, warmer, more detailed bass. Vocals are rounder. I think every aspect is better.

(I use a Pinnacle amp.) The HD800s were so good balanced I sold off my R10s because I liked the HD800s better and found myself ignoring the R10s

(I definitely liked the HD800 bass as more satisfying and fuller than the R10's bass.)

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Originally Posted by rgs9200m View Post

FWIW, after careful experimenting (with the same type of interconnect cables and headphone cables exactly) my HD800s are quite better balanced through the whole chain.

They are just more relaxed and fuller, non-peaky, with a richer, warmer, more detailed bass. Vocals are rounder. I think every aspect is better.

(I use a Pinnacle amp.) The HD800s were so good balanced I sold off my R10s because I liked the HD800s better and found myself ignoring the R10s

(I definitely liked the HD800 bass as more satisfying and fuller than the R10's bass.)

Yes, especially that your R10 is off a bass light version...that's why I sold my bass light pair as well.  My bass heavier is a keeper though.  The Qualia on the other hand goes even deeper in bass than even the HD800.  Like you, I found the HD800 to be a different animal all together when properly driven in balanced mode.  An upgrade cable also help a great deal as well.  I wish I kept mine but I sold it b/c I just prefer to listen to the Qualia better.

post #1275 of 2692
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Originally Posted by purk View Post

Yes, especially that your R10 is off a bass light version...that's why I sold my bass light pair as well.  My bass heavier is a keeper though.  The Qualia on the other hand goes even deeper in bass than even the HD800.  Like you, I found the HD800 to be a different animal all together when properly driven in balanced mode.  An upgrade cable also help a great deal as well.  I wish I kept mine but I sold it b/c I just prefer to listen to the Qualia better.

 

Did you get a chance to listen to the Qualia on the GS-X mkII?

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