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post #301 of 591
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Originally Posted by snapple10 View Post

Thanks muzic4life
Been using balance output but was wondering if adding solo -db worth the extra bulk / funds for input, use it mainly with HD600
Given it will depend on individuals but just wondering
Trying to get the most out of things instead of having multiple stuff- downsize mode

Thanks for taking the time

If you add the CLAS-dB to Intruder it would nice to have more images to your music when using a headphone like HD800 not IEM (overkill). Btw, I have never seen people using input balanced and thought SE would be enough.
post #302 of 591
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Originally Posted by snapple10 View Post

Thanks muzic4life
Been using balance output but was wondering if adding solo -db worth the extra bulk / funds for input, use it mainly with HD600
Given it will depend on individuals but just wondering
Trying to get the most out of things instead of having multiple stuff- downsize mode

Thanks for taking the time

Adding clas -db into the chain will gives a slight refinement to the sound. I think not really much though (especially when we use SE connector). But i do feel the music separation is easier to catch, better imaging and more engaging. But again..it will mainly depends to our amp. For amp like intruder/pico power/glacier..i do find just a slight improvements (when connected using SE between the amp and the clas db)..because the amp it self is already performing quite good imo. But using balance to balance connection from clas to amp we will get more refinement to the sound (at least better than SE). However..one thing u should know...the clas db is somewhat reducing the gain of your amp. I supposed this clas db version is focused and more suitable for iem use. If you pair this clas db with powerfull amp like intruder..i think would not be any problem eventhough the amp gain reduced by a bit..but intruder still got plenty gain left to run with hard to drive cans. However...let say if you pair it with amps like Portatube..the gain will not be sufficient to drive full size cans like hd650, they sing..but less meaty. That means the gain of the portatube is bigger when alone without clas db.

And about the triple stacks...you are right..somehow is not so convinience to carry around. Its bulky...but as long as we carry our small bag..we can just put it into bag. I do carry mine many times though.
post #303 of 591

Got it. Good points

 

I current do IPC/ Touch SE to Intruder then balance out to HD600- was interested in improvement  from this 

 

I do notice a slight clarity when I use Hp-p1 DAC with Intruder and was just wondering about Solo without actually buying to find out

 

only phone I can use with Intruder balance(output)  is the HD600

 

Also have M8 on order, might wait and see what that bring before going after the Solo -db then

post #304 of 591

The HPP1 is just so lovely, is like a good steroid to my amps biggrin.gif. Every amp i plug to it..the gain power is increasing and yet better sounding too. Very excellent i-device companion. 

post #305 of 591

Is the DAC input on the Intruder compatible with the digital USB output from iOS or other portable media player devices?
 

post #306 of 591
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Originally Posted by tvolpe1600 View Post

Is the DAC input on the Intruder compatible with the digital USB output from iOS or other portable media player devices?

 
good question but lets't think about it for a sec, the dac USB plug is an output device, so is the iPod for playing music, only exception is moving music from PC to iPod. I don't think output to output works well here. If you are referring to the amp input, everyone does that using a lod.

Does that make sense?
Edited by musicheaven - 8/1/13 at 2:47am
post #307 of 591
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Originally Posted by tvolpe1600 View Post

Is the DAC input on the Intruder compatible with the digital USB output from iOS or other portable media player devices?
 

The Intruder is compatible with Android devices like the Galaxy S3.  DanBa has a link every 5 pages here of compatible android and usb dacs.

http://www.head-fi.org/t/595071/android-phones-and-usb-dacs/2760

You will need a USB OTG cable.  And depending on what android device you get, you may need to download USB Audio Recorder pro.

 

For apple devices, the Intruder does not support the proprietary Apple decoding.  For that, the Cypher Labs AlgoRhythm solo would need to be put in the path from Apple device>AlgoRhythm>Intruder>headphones.  I think Milarepa and Muzik4Life have that setup and have provided impressions in this thread and the Cypher Labs thread.  The Fostex HPP1 is also licensed for apple.

 

I currently do not have Intruder running portable with usb input, but hope to at some point.  Hope this is helpful.

post #308 of 591

Thanks Howlin, that was super helpful.
 

post #309 of 591

That's too bad the Intruder doesn't support iOS decoding, because adding the AlgoRhythm Solo -dB to the chain is another $700. I guess we'll see how much the new F-35 lightening is going to cost...

post #310 of 591

I just found out about the Lightning today.  Decided to go to Ray's web site and see if there is anything new.  Been trying to read a thread on it this morning.

post #311 of 591

Also, how does the Intruder couple with your K702s? I have 650s and K702s as well.
 

post #312 of 591
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Also, how does the Intruder couple with your K702s? I have 650s and K702s as well.
 

I haven't listened to the 702s very much since I got my Grado RS1is.  I will try to spend some quality time with them this weekend and let you know what I think.

post #313 of 591
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Originally Posted by Howlin Fester View Post

The Intruder is compatible with Android devices like the Galaxy S3.  DanBa has a link every 5 pages here of compatible android and usb dacs.

http://www.head-fi.org/t/595071/android-phones-and-usb-dacs/2760

You will need a USB OTG cable.  And depending on what android device you get, you may need to download USB Audio Recorder pro.

 

For apple devices, the Intruder does not support the proprietary Apple decoding.  For that, the Cypher Labs AlgoRhythm solo would need to be put in the path from Apple device>AlgoRhythm>Intruder>headphones.  I think Milarepa and Muzik4Life have that setup and have provided impressions in this thread and the Cypher Labs thread.  The Fostex HPP1 is also licensed for apple.

 

I currently do not have Intruder running portable with usb input, but hope to at some point.  Hope this is helpful.

But do you think it would have a similar problem if coupled as a DAC to MacBook Pro via USB?

post #314 of 591
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Originally Posted by bIack View Post

But do you think it would have a similar problem if coupled as a DAC to MacBook Pro via USB?

First.  I'm going to have to profess Mac Ignorance.  I don't know what special voodoo Apple does or doesn't do with their Macs.

Having said that...  It works fine from a PC.  I used a laptop with Foobar right into the Intruder for burn in and some AxB testing.  Worked like a champ and sounded great.

I would expect that the mac will just provide a digital stream out to the DAC and it should be fine.  (But remember my Mac ignorance here.)

post #315 of 591

Intruder, AKG 702, Grado RS1i, and (somewhat) Arrow 2.2G Impressions

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Originally Posted by tvolpe1600 View Post

Also, how does the Intruder couple with your K702s? I have 650s and K702s as well.
 

tvolpe1600.  So I'm spending some quality time with the 702s.  I am listening to them stock.  Single ended cable.  No mods.  These were my first quality headphones.  My lovely bride bought them for me for our fifth Anniversary.  (She's a good woman)  ;-)  The thing that I liked about them (as I was/am learning this hobby) is the soundstage width and separation.  I could generally hear the different instruments and each location seemed to be identifiable apart from the others.  For my evaluations I like to use Kansas and Steely Dan.  Kansas I have known since I was 5, and Steely Dan was my first "surprise" when I got good headphones and could hear things I have never heard before.  The things that I wasn't crazy about with the 702s is I feet they had a limited bass impact and a slight veil over the clarity.

 

This morning for my Intruder listening session, I put on Down the Road by Kansas from Song for America.  I have been trying to learn this on guitar, so it has gotten plenty of airtime this year.  I put it on and turned it up.  Through the intruder it sounds great, is a totally rocking song.  No disappointments.  Then the test.  After DtR, the next track is Song for America.  This song starts off with a driving bass riff by Dave Hole that he keeps up through the whole piece.  The intruder gives it the remembered wide soundstage and instrument identification.  And it seemed that the bass was a little better than I remembered.  Bass guitar is right up front in the track, with piano in the right ear, organ in the left ear, acoustic guitar left, violin center.  To me the stars of this are the bass, piano, organ, violin and Steve Walsh's soaring vocals.  Not as much space for the guitars to shine here.

 

My impressions of the 702 were more positive with the Intruder than I remember the headphones sounding.  So I wondered why.  Then I pulled out the Headstage Arrorow 2.2G.  This was my first amp and I initially got it to go with the 702s.  With Song for America, the difference was immediately noticeable.  The soundstage was more closed in and congested with the Arrow.  The bass felt more bloated (what I call flabby), and not quite as clear.  When I was listening to SfA through the Arrow, I got the vision of big ole smothering hug from an over-sized and overzealous aunt in a knitted sweater.  Sorry for the visual but that is how it sounded.  All settings on the Arrow neutral - mid gain.

 

Then I switched back to the Intruder and started to write this up and more listening.  702 pairs very well with the Intruder.  Next on the to-do list for the 702s is to try the Friend or Foe mod a friend told me about at a meet.  http://www.head-fi.org/t/411268/the-akg-k701-friend-or-foe-mods-that-may-help-others  Maybe sometime I will get them recabled and balanced as well.  We'll see.

 

Now I have just switched back to the Grado RS1i with the intruder.  Single Ended, no mods yet.  The clarity with the Grados are still king for me.  But I like things a little on the bright side apparently.  Bass guitar sounds as good as the 702.  Presentation is more closed in and personal.  The Grado sound.  I wish they were a little more expanded, but I still like these best over the 702s.  Next week I am going to try to get the Grados balanced at Moon Audio.  I hope for good things from that mod.

 

fyi.  all music 320 CBR with mp3 gain@90 db album gain on ipod touch>Silver Dragon LOD>Intruder/Arrow>702/RS1i.  Intruder and Arrow mid gain.

 

Round 2.  Stream of consciousness.  Second cup of coffee, and I've moved on to something more recently recorded.  Put on Machine Head's Unto Locust.  Started it out with the Grados for reference then switched to the AKG 702s.  Wow.  No disappointments here.  The bass impact from the 702s is stellar.  Full, deep, and driving.  The tuned down guitar chug is really presented well and the bass frequencies to high presentation is top notch.  Checking out JJ Grey & Mofro's Somebody Else from their new album The River.  Awesome groove and feel.  Would still like to have a little more clarity on the horns and shimmering guitar.  But that is what I would have to search for with a 702 mod and maybe cables.  However, switching back to Machine Head for song #2 Be Still and Know starts with guitar high notes riffage.  That has great highs without any harshness.  Maybe this should be my Heavy Metal headphone?  Yup.  Put on Iron Maiden's Wasted Years.  That is what the intro of Be Still and Know reminded me of.  Same impressions.  Sounds great.  Still wish there was slightly more clarity.  Back to Machine Head for the rest of the Locust album.  Confirmed, that this may be a great newly-recorded-Metal Headphone.  The whole Locust album sounds full, deep, well done.  I liked the sound more than the older recording from Maiden.  Mastodon - Crack the Skye - Obliviion sounds great on both 702 and RS1i.  702 provides a Small Club feel with the spaciousness.  Mastodon - The Hunter - Black Tongue makes me turn it up more.  I think the 702 sounds better with new material, where they aren't trying to do tricky things with instrument placement.  Full frontal assault of Rock!  Like I said, the Mastodon sounds like I'm seeing them in a few hundred capacity club.  Curl of the Burl makes me stop writing and listen!  Clutch - Earth Rocker - Turned up like previous songs.  OMG!  Buy this album.  Maximum Riffage.  Black Sabbath - 13 - End of the Beginning and God is Dead = Stellar... Give me the wine, you keep the bread...  Black Country Communion - free DL 256vbr from BCC2 - Outsider, IMMEDIATELY sounded veiled and congested over Bonamassa's guitar and Glen Hughes' vocals.  Had to switch back to Grados for this one.  Black Country Communion - Afterglow - (back to 320 CBR) has same sound on 702s.  Congested and veiled.  Maybe that is how Kevin Shirley produces it.  But the Grado is definitely preferred for BCC.

 

Summary:

The Intruder sounds fantastic with the AKG 702s with some source material.  I like the 702 more with the Intruder than I did with the Arrow.  The Bass does sound much much better with the Intruder.  The 702s still have a veil over the clarity.  But that isn't the Intruder's fault.  The soundstage with the Intruder is much better than the Arrow.  I will try some inexpensive mods for the 702, but will I spend significant money on them to chase the clarity?  Don't know.

 

Grado RS1i are still my favorite for sound, clarity,and FUN even though they present a closer soundstage.  Going to go balanced next week. (I hope).  Lets see what that does.

 

And contemplating my next headphone.  Don't know what I want.  Something as "fun" as the Grados with a better soundstage but same clarity?  Am i asking for diametrically opposite things?  Any suggestions from anyone?

But I do know that I love the Intruder.  Seems to provide the foundation to grow my headphone collection from.  Thank you Ray!

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