Originally Posted by gnarlsagan
Well I let a friend listen to my MH1 and F111, and he insisted that the soundmagic pl30's are better. But it seems those are missing treble above 8k... Hmm.
I'd like to reiterate that I still find the MH1 to be one of the best phones I've heard at any price. Especially in places with ambient noise, like the gym, the extra bass sounds less emphasized than in quiet environments.
For as much bass emphasis as there is, I'm still surprised at the lack of mid-bass bleed. Mids are just very clear and precise, with very near perfect tonality. It's such a rare quality to nail every part of the FR, and when a $20 iem gets it right, it's easy to start taking such a wonderful sound for granted. Listening to other iems at this point feels like wasted effort, as so few of them get it right. But it does make me more fully appreciate the iems that do.
My top 3 are still the ER4S, MH1 and F111. I see them as equals that excel in different areas and situations. Unfortunately they're all a bit finicky with fit and/or cabling, but it's not bad adjusting to them over time. Even the MH1 cable, which I originally described as fettuccine, has turned out to be not so bad for the gym. I wear it under my shirt and behind my head and it stays put for the most part. And because it's under my shirt, there is less cable movement and hence less microphonics. It's surprisingly usable. That's not to say I wouldn't get it recabled if I could, but for the gym or with the shirt clip the cable works just fine.
The ER4S has its own cable problems, and I had to "mod" those in order for them to be useful. And the F111 has its fit quirks as well. So really no iem gets it all right. But someday one will come very very close, and with all the progress being made every year in iem development, I think that day will be sooner rather than later.
I absolutely agree on everything you said. There are times where the m1 doesn't even sound bassy, but perfect with no eq. So it's great for different noise environments. Sitting at home i'm down to a SINGLE bass cut eq point. Not even the er4s is that easy to eq, although it is my favorite iem alongside the mh1 and f111 as well. The f111 is like a tease though with the fit issues sometimes. The er4s has so much going for it, but the mh1 is just easier to wear and more simply portable. I hate to say this... Bah! ....no...... Aaaah....... But I haven't even been using my er4s since i got the my1. And when i think about it, i don't really mind. I've compared them extensively and can easily make each one sound pretty much just like the other using eq. However, the mh1 has a generally more believable body to the sound when eq'd to perfection. The er4s has better treble depth and energy. But both are more similar than different in that they are very smooth from low to high, which makes them easy to eq well with only a few slight adjustments. Don't get me wrong, i love my er4s, but the sounds are both so good that i usually just grab the quicker more portable mh1.
I have never personally had as much issue with the cable as some, but i am recabling mine. When worn behind the neck and clipped, they don't bother me. The problem i have is wearing them around the ears. This completely removes cable noise for me, but the flat cable, controls and cable design cause them to want to flop back off my ears.
As for price, i do believe you get what you pay for most of the time. But i also think most iems are completely overpriced. I'd gladly pay the $300 for an er4s (i did), but the f111 should be closer to that price as well. As for the mh1, i'd gladly put it in the same tier of audio quality and thus a much higher price. But oh my goodness we don't have to! I think the idea that a cheap iem couldn't possibly be as high quality as a high priced iem is just silly. Is it likely? No. The higher priced iems have nicer cables and construction, but where sound is concerned the mh1 is up there.
People might say "it's too bassy". But guess what, every iem has a noticeable flaw area or two or three. The mh1 might be a bit bassy, but it's a smooth flat boosted region with no spikes or dips. And every other area is pretty much flawless. That's pretty bad @$&.
Anyway, i know there are many who will disagree. I'm just giving my opinion from someone (me) who values flat, neutral, analytical type sound. The mh1 almost blends that with what people call musicality.
My dream would be to have the an iem like the er4s or mh1, with very smooth response but a bass level between the two and a frequency response that sounds the same every time you fit it, and has a nice cable. :-P. Maybe i can get a job designing one someday. Ha!Edited by luisdent - 12/11/13 at 9:10pm