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post #2746 of 3306
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Originally Posted by luisdent View Post
 

 

... from a design standpoint this is actually pretty good, except in reality it doesn't work ...

 

I see a flaw in your logic. 

post #2747 of 3306
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Yes, absolutely.  I don't even mind the flat cable if you wear it properly.  I even wear it behind the ears.  However, the controls hanging are annoying to say the least.  That is the failing of the cable to me.  You could buy the ue900 cable and solder it to the mh1 cable near the housing.  That would give you a nice control cable that is designed a bit better.  Otherwise, for an alternative you want the Sony MH750.

 

The same engineer, Sead, worked on them and compares them as being very similar to the mh1.  Although, not as good they should sound similar with the changes he described being a bit darker and slightly less treble extension and details.  But the controls are in the middle of the cable lower...

 

post #211

 

http://www.amazon.com/Sony-MH750-Stereo-Headset-Microphone/dp/B008MN8X7Y

Nice find, those actually don't look that much worse sonically. Probably benefits more from vent blocking to have a clearer lower midrange and can have it's treble improved via filter mod. 


Edited by Inks - 12/8/13 at 1:53pm
post #2748 of 3306
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Originally Posted by luisdent View Post

 

... from a design standpoint this is actually pretty good, except in reality it doesn't work ...

I see a flaw in your logic. 
Haha. I just mean it was designed to put the mic next to your mouth for good pickup, and therefor well designed in that regard. However, this placement causes annoyance physically from the weight and hanging sensation, and thus poor design in reality...

Perfect logic! ;-)
post #2749 of 3306

: )

 

I know what you mean lol. 

 

I don't use mine with a phone so the mic is completely redundant. 

 

I looked up the review of those 750 and one comment complained about the stiff cable. Bit of a red flag to me know after these MH1c's. 

post #2750 of 3306
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Originally Posted by luisdent View Post
 

 

Yes, absolutely.  I don't even mind the flat cable if you wear it properly.  I even wear it behind the ears.  However, the controls hanging are annoying to say the least.  That is the failing of the cable to me.  You could buy the ue900 cable and solder it to the mh1 cable near the housing.  That would give you a nice control cable that is designed a bit better.  Otherwise, for an alternative you want the Sony MH750.

 

The same engineer, Sead, worked on them and compares them as being very similar to the mh1.  Although, not as good they should sound similar with the changes he described being a bit darker and slightly less treble extension and details.  But the controls are in the middle of the cable lower...

 

post #211

 

http://www.amazon.com/Sony-MH750-Stereo-Headset-Microphone/dp/B008MN8X7Y

Thanks for the tip but the reviews on http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sony-Ericsson-MH750-Headset-Stereo/dp/B007M0IXLY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1386539981&sr=8-1&keywords=sony+mh750 mention that it has an annoying cable that transmits vibrations and doesn't hang down properly, so despite being cheap enough I don't think I'd get on with these either I'm afraid.

 

I don't really want to double the cost of the MH1's by buying a replacement cable and I'd only make a bodge of replacing it anyway, once I found the time and motivation to try that is, so I'll have to keep looking.

post #2751 of 3306
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Originally Posted by luisdent View Post
 

 

Yes, absolutely.  I don't even mind the flat cable if you wear it properly.  I even wear it behind the ears.  However, the controls hanging are annoying to say the least.  That is the failing of the cable to me.  You could buy the ue900 cable and solder it to the mh1 cable near the housing.  That would give you a nice control cable that is designed a bit better.  Otherwise, for an alternative you want the Sony MH750.

 

The same engineer, Sead, worked on them and compares them as being very similar to the mh1.  Although, not as good they should sound similar with the changes he described being a bit darker and slightly less treble extension and details.  But the controls are in the middle of the cable lower...

 

post #211

 

http://www.amazon.com/Sony-MH750-Stereo-Headset-Microphone/dp/B008MN8X7Y

Thanks for the tip but the reviews on http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sony-Ericsson-MH750-Headset-Stereo/dp/B007M0IXLY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1386539981&sr=8-1&keywords=sony+mh750 mention that it has an annoying cable that transmits vibrations and doesn't hang down properly, so despite being cheap enough I don't think I'd get on with these either I'm afraid.

 

I don't really want to double the cost of the MH1's by buying a replacement cable and I'd only make a bodge of replacing it anyway, once I found the time and motivation to try that is, so I'll have to keep looking.

 

Yeah, the mh1 is pretty microphonic, but both of these will be improved by wearing them over the ear and using a shirt clip.  Paying someone to recable them is probably at least $40-50 plus the $20 they cost, so you're looking at $70 or so for a recabled mh1.  That's not bad considering they used to retail for $80 though. :-P  But if you're looking for something similar at that price range you probably won't find it.  The mh1 is pretty darn impressive at $20.  You could still find something good.  In fact, I'm very impressed with sony's "rockin' buds" at less than $10 freaking dollars, but they have no mic.  That's still just wrong that you can get an earphone as good as this for less than $10:

 

http://www.amazon.com/Sony-MDREX10LP-BLK-In-Ear-Headphones/dp/B004XXQI1U/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1386550536&sr=1-1&keywords=sony+earphones

 

 There is a similar sony though for about $20-30 with a mic.  Not sure how it sounds, but if it's at all like the rockin' buds, which it looks identical to, it should sound decent.

 

http://www.amazon.com/DR-EX12IP-Stereo-Headphones-Remote-Black/dp/B004QOA93E/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1386550606&sr=1-2&keywords=sony+earphones+microphone


Edited by luisdent - 12/8/13 at 4:57pm
post #2752 of 3306

Got my cable ready to go.  Waiting for my neutrik connector in the mail.  Should be here tomorrow.  Then I'll probably grab some heatshrink locally, unless someone can (please) link some cheap heatshrink online somewhere.  I hope to recable these puppies in the next week or so.

 

I did some measurements and test braiding/twisting to determine and cut my lengths.  I'm going for something between most earphone cables (4ft) and the er4s (5ft) in length.  About 4.5' total length I think.  This ended up taking 4 wires of about 6 feet each.  4.5 (total length) + .5 to compensate for braiding/twisting (shouldn't even be that much) + 1 foot left for stripping, soldering, mistakes, etc.

 


Edited by luisdent - 12/10/13 at 9:19pm
post #2753 of 3306
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Originally Posted by luisdent View Post
 

Got my cable ready to go.  Waiting for my neutrik connector in the mail.  Should be here tomorrow.  Then I'll probably grab some heatshrink locally, unless someone can (please) link some cheap heatshrink online somewhere.  I hope to recable these puppies in the next week or so.

 

I did some measurements and test braiding/twisting to determine and cut my lengths.  I'm going for something between most earphone cables (4ft) and the er4s (5ft) in length.  About 4.5' total length I think.  This ended up taking 4 wires of about 6 feet each.  4.5 (total length) + .5 to compensate for braiding/twisting (shouldn't even be that much) + 1 foot left for stripping, soldering, mistakes, etc.

 

 

I'm excited to see your work mate! I wish I have the skill to re-cable my MH1's...

post #2754 of 3306
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Originally Posted by luisdent View Post

 
Got my cable ready to go.  Waiting for my neutrik connector in the mail.  Should be here tomorrow.  Then I'll probably grab some heatshrink locally, unless someone can (please) link some cheap heatshrink online somewhere.  I hope to recable these puppies in the next week or so.

I did some measurements and test braiding/twisting to determine and cut my lengths.  I'm going for something between most earphone cables (4ft) and the er4s (5ft) in length.  About 4.5' total length I think.  This ended up taking 4 wires of about 6 feet each.  4.5 (total length) + .5 to compensate for braiding/twisting (shouldn't even be that much) + 1 foot left for stripping, soldering, mistakes, etc.



I'm excited to see your work mate! I wish I have the skill to re-cable my MH1's...
I hope i have the skill! Haha. I'm worried about the small wires, so i just bought the parts to force myself to try it. Ha. As long as i can manage to solder the small wires i think i'll be ok :-)
post #2755 of 3306

Hey, i am new here i would like to know if there is somewhere a recabling tutorial or instructions i am not used at soldering but i wanna try recabling my mh1.

I saw an offer here where i live(greece) they had bulk mh1 for 8 euros or 11 $~~ so i buyed 2 pieces.

I am willing to try to recable one of them but i have some questions,like what happens to the mic & buttons can i remove them entirely and still converting it to ctia and recabling them?

 

I am a newbie,so sorry for my dumb questions.

post #2756 of 3306
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Originally Posted by Shadowsora View Post
 

Hey, i am new here i would like to know if there is somewhere a recabling tutorial or instructions i am not used at soldering but i wanna try recabling my mh1.

I saw an offer here where i live(greece) they had bulk mh1 for 8 euros or 11 $~~ so i buyed 2 pieces.

I am willing to try to recable one of them but i have some questions,like what happens to the mic & buttons can i remove them entirely and still converting it to ctia and recabling them?

 

I am a newbie,so sorry for my dumb questions.

For CTIA versus OMTP, the difference is the MIC pin and the GND pin are swapped.

 

CTIA goes GND - MIC - R - L

OMTP goes MIC - GND - R - L

 

If you're removing the mic and buttons, you only have one single GND pin so you don't have to worry about it at all.

 

You would use a 3-pin TRS plug which goes:

 

GND - R - L

 

Which should work on any device.

 

Here is a diagram: http://www.simplecom.com.au/ebay/omtpvsctia.jpg

post #2757 of 3306
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Originally Posted by Shadowsora View Post

Hey, i am new here i would like to know if there is somewhere a recabling tutorial or instructions i am not used at soldering but i wanna try recabling my mh1.
I saw an offer here where i live(greece) they had bulk mh1 for 8 euros or 11 $~~ so i buyed 2 pieces.
I am willing to try to recable one of them but i have some questions,like what happens to the mic & buttons can i remove them entirely and still converting it to ctia and recabling them?

I am a newbie,so sorry for my dumb questions.
I'll be making a tutorial when i fo mine shortly...
post #2758 of 3306
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Originally Posted by luisdent View Post


I'll be making a tutorial when i fo mine shortly...

Looking forward for it,i am sure it will help a lot of people.

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Originally Posted by higbvuyb View Post
 

For CTIA versus OMTP, the difference is the MIC pin and the GND pin are swapped.

 

CTIA goes GND - MIC - R - L

OMTP goes MIC - GND - R - L

 

If you're removing the mic and buttons, you only have one single GND pin so you don't have to worry about it at all.

 

You would use a 3-pin TRS plug which goes:

 

GND - R - L

 

Which should work on any device.

 

Here is a diagram: http://www.simplecom.com.au/ebay/omtpvsctia.jpg

Thanks a lot this cleared my mind a bit.

post #2759 of 3306

is there any way to make the remote work on an Apple device?

post #2760 of 3306
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Originally Posted by guido View Post

is there any way to make the remote work on an Apple device?
Yes. Buy a ctia adapter for a few dollars or solder the wires the other way (swap ground and mic cables where the controls are)
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