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Originally Posted by James-uk View Post

£80 iems shouldn't sound this good! Apart from a very slightly forward mid range I couldn't be happier. The thing that stands out so far is how great the soundstage and separation is, it's great for any headphone but for an iem it's astonishing! Especially at this price point. I'm a senn man but hifiman have just gained a fan! Seriously impressed.
...compared to the IE800?

Toying with the idea of getting the RE600, so your opinion would be highly valued by me smily_headphones1.gif
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Originally Posted by Duncan View Post

...compared to the IE800?

Toying with the idea of getting the RE600, so your opinion would be highly valued by me smily_headphones1.gif

I would say they are on similar level technically . They are completely different in presentation though . The ie800s have a very pleasing sound sig with that deep bass , very clean polite midrange and ethereal treble. The re400 are just straight up neutral and transparent and they remind me of the hd800 in some ways ( brutally honest to the recording!) . Thanks to this balanced sound and diffuse FR the soundstage is natural and precise and all the instruments have their place and are not overpowered ( sometimes I feel the ie800 bass is a bit much) . The only slight negative on the re400 is maybe a slightly 'shouty' midrange . This is hard to put my finger on and maybe it's because I'm used to sennheiser midrange. If I could transplant the ie800 mids into the re400 I would be a very happy man. The ie800s and these have all my iem needs covered...... For now wink.gif
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Originally Posted by Lieon View Post


I've heard interesting things about the Havi B3 Pro's. How is their sound signature like aside from the soundstage? I might get a pair and do a mini review if their sound signature fits my tastes smily_headphones1.gif

i have the havi b3 pro

 

and oddly enough i think their on a similar tier! the havis are leaner in and the bass is quicker too, the bass is more even than the slight bump the re400s have in the midbass

 

the treble is also not as laid back as the re400 (it feels more extended, but that also means its more likely to ensue listening fatigue for some)

 

the midrange i think the havis are just reproducing vocals down to the micro details so well, its quite scary

 

the re400s were my favorite sub 100 iem before but i think the havi is taking that place now. 

 

the re400s is still amazing but the build quality on them is a bit of a turn off

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Thanks for sharing this. Certainly sounds like these IEMs can punch way above their intended price! The cables on the havi are non-replaceable right? 

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Originally Posted by Lieon View Post

Thanks for sharing this. Certainly sounds like these IEMs can punch way above their intended price! The cables on the havi are non-replaceable right? 

Correct
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I just got my pair of RE-400s earlier today, and I have quite a few thoughts on them.

First of all, I have been using a pair of Hifiman HE-500s for daily at-home listening, and Hifiman RE-0s for on-the-go; but since the latter broke, I was in the market for a new pair of IEMs.

Coming from the RE-0, the first thing I noticed is that the RE-400 have a much deeper fit with the stock biflanges. This is great, because I was never able to get a good seal with the RE-0 and its shallow insertion depth. This in turn makes for much better isolation and fit.

The soundstage of the RE-400 is pretty impressive. Neither my belated RE-0 nor my HE-500 have as wide a soundstage or instrument separation. Granted, planar headphones like the HE-500 aren't exactly known for their soundstage, but my point stands.

As far as the bass goes, the RE-400 have much, much better bass in terms of both quality and quantity than the RE-0 were ever able to accomplish. It extends much deeper and has substantially more power (though this was a known weakness of the RE-0). This isn't to say that they are excessively bassy by any means, but they posses a surprisingly accurate and deep low end for an IEM.

The mids are also more present on the RE-400 than RE-0, which could be both a good and a bad thing. Since they have a pretty substantial bump at 2KHz, some might find this slightly unpleasant (some might describe it as "shouty" or "honky" mids). Headphones that people generally agree to have a "pleasing" and "laid-back" sound signature (like the HE-500) often attenuate the 2k frequency to mitigate this issue. However, in general the mids (like the rest of the headphone) are pretty darn accurate and to my ears sound better than the RE-0.

The treble is the only category where I would say the RE-0 have the upper hand over the RE-400. Since the RE-400 has a darker [deeper, richer, pick your semantically vacuous adjective] sound signature, the treble is slightly less present, which is most noticeable when listening to vocal music. This can also be determined through visual inspection of the measured frequency response, which shows a big dip in at 4KHz (the "in your face, presence" frequencies), and a slightly smaller dip at 8KHz ("sparkle").

To mitigate some of the issues I mentioned regarding the shortcomings I perceived with the RE-400, I made a sample equalization profile I'm using with MediaMonkey. If you don't believe in equalization or don't hear the same things I do, feel free to totally ignore it.

vnWoh7C.png

All in all, the RE-400 turned out to be an astonishingly good buy, and I think they categorically outclass their predecessor (the RE-0) in nearly every way and make few compromises with regards to sound quality, despite their price. I can't imagine getting much better sound for only $100.
post #2302 of 2307
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 I can't imagine getting much better sound for only $100.

I think you can, after you try havi b3 

post #2303 of 2307
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Originally Posted by MasterKuni View Post

I just got my pair of RE-400s earlier today, and I have quite a few thoughts on them.

First of all, I have been using a pair of Hifiman HE-500s for daily at-home listening, and Hifiman RE-0s for on-the-go; but since the latter broke, I was in the market for a new pair of IEMs.

Coming from the RE-0, the first thing I noticed is that the RE-400 have a much deeper fit with the stock biflanges. This is great, because I was never able to get a good seal with the RE-0 and its shallow insertion depth. This in turn makes for much better isolation and fit.

The soundstage of the RE-400 is pretty impressive. Neither my belated RE-0 nor my HE-500 have as wide a soundstage or instrument separation. Granted, planar headphones like the HE-500 aren't exactly known for their soundstage, but my point stands.

As far as the bass goes, the RE-400 have much, much better bass in terms of both quality and quantity than the RE-0 were ever able to accomplish. It extends much deeper and has substantially more power (though this was a known weakness of the RE-0). This isn't to say that they are excessively bassy by any means, but they posses a surprisingly accurate and deep low end for an IEM.

The mids are also more present on the RE-400 than RE-0, which could be both a good and a bad thing. Since they have a pretty substantial bump at 2KHz, some might find this slightly unpleasant (some might describe it as "shouty" or "honky" mids). Headphones that people generally agree to have a "pleasing" and "laid-back" sound signature (like the HE-500) often attenuate the 2k frequency to mitigate this issue. However, in general the mids (like the rest of the headphone) are pretty darn accurate and to my ears sound better than the RE-0.

The treble is the only category where I would say the RE-0 have the upper hand over the RE-400. Since the RE-400 has a darker [deeper, richer, pick your semantically vacuous adjective] sound signature, the treble is slightly less present, which is most noticeable when listening to vocal music. This can also be determined through visual inspection of the measured frequency response, which shows a big dip in at 4KHz (the "in your face, presence" frequencies), and a slightly smaller dip at 8KHz ("sparkle").

To mitigate some of the issues I mentioned regarding the shortcomings I perceived with the RE-400, I made a sample equalization profile I'm using with MediaMonkey. If you don't believe in equalization or don't hear the same things I do, feel free to totally ignore it.

vnWoh7C.png

All in all, the RE-400 turned out to be an astonishingly good buy, and I think they categorically outclass their predecessor (the RE-0) in nearly every way and make few compromises with regards to sound quality, despite their price. I can't imagine getting much better sound for only $100.

Thanks for ur review, I also do treble to be a bit more and sparkle for re400...can you pls let me know what is the equiliser settings you did to acheve that without sacrificing mids or lows....just boosting treble will do ?

 

I use it on my HTC One M8, poweramp player....I just tend to boost treble and sometimes bass as well as it just flat

post #2304 of 2307
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Originally Posted by James-uk View Post

I would say they are on similar level technically . They are completely different in presentation though . The ie800s have a very pleasing sound sig with that deep bass , very clean polite midrange and ethereal treble. The re400 are just straight up neutral and transparent and they remind me of the hd800 in some ways ( brutally honest to the recording!) . Thanks to this balanced sound and diffuse FR the soundstage is natural and precise and all the instruments have their place and are not overpowered ( sometimes I feel the ie800 bass is a bit much) . The only slight negative on the re400 is maybe a slightly 'shouty' midrange . This is hard to put my finger on and maybe it's because I'm used to sennheiser midrange. If I could transplant the ie800 mids into the re400 I would be a very happy man. The ie800s and these have all my iem needs covered...... For now wink.gif

James. I had the re400. Replacement has been horrible as the cable sheath sort of had a problem... Still waiting on the replacement. Your post has made me miss them. Re400s are very neutral and transparent. It also helps that theyre good iems for listening while lying on your bed.I bought ie800s as an upgrade/replacement and i have similar experience... I'm enjoying the ie800s but for some music id prefer the re400.

Just a tip. There was a thread i saw before on an re400 mod that would put it closer to re600 territory. You may want to read on it. Sadly i found it after i returned my re400 for replacement so couldnt test myself. For $100 i think its a good buy.
post #2305 of 2307
Regarding my previous post:
Originally Posted by mgal View Post
 

Does anybody know if the cable/connector in RE-400s are repairable? My left earpiece started to cut out (after about 4 months of use...) and I’d like to resolder the cable and replace the minijack connector by myself.

 

I managed to repair my RE-400s on my own (I've resoldered the minijack connector). So they're definitely repairable :)

post #2306 of 2307

I've heard that some pieces of the cable have been improved, is this true? And if so, how much better is the new cable/strain reliefs? 

post #2307 of 2307
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Originally Posted by MasterKuni View Post

I just got my pair of RE-400s earlier today, and I have quite a few thoughts on them.

First of all, I have been using a pair of Hifiman HE-500s for daily at-home listening, and Hifiman RE-0s for on-the-go; but since the latter broke, I was in the market for a new pair of IEMs.

Coming from the RE-0, the first thing I noticed is that the RE-400 have a much deeper fit with the stock biflanges. This is great, because I was never able to get a good seal with the RE-0 and its shallow insertion depth. This in turn makes for much better isolation and fit.

The soundstage of the RE-400 is pretty impressive. Neither my belated RE-0 nor my HE-500 have as wide a soundstage or instrument separation. Granted, planar headphones like the HE-500 aren't exactly known for their soundstage, but my point stands.

As far as the bass goes, the RE-400 have much, much better bass in terms of both quality and quantity than the RE-0 were ever able to accomplish. It extends much deeper and has substantially more power (though this was a known weakness of the RE-0). This isn't to say that they are excessively bassy by any means, but they posses a surprisingly accurate and deep low end for an IEM.

The mids are also more present on the RE-400 than RE-0, which could be both a good and a bad thing. Since they have a pretty substantial bump at 2KHz, some might find this slightly unpleasant (some might describe it as "shouty" or "honky" mids). Headphones that people generally agree to have a "pleasing" and "laid-back" sound signature (like the HE-500) often attenuate the 2k frequency to mitigate this issue. However, in general the mids (like the rest of the headphone) are pretty darn accurate and to my ears sound better than the RE-0.

The treble is the only category where I would say the RE-0 have the upper hand over the RE-400. Since the RE-400 has a darker [deeper, richer, pick your semantically vacuous adjective] sound signature, the treble is slightly less present, which is most noticeable when listening to vocal music. This can also be determined through visual inspection of the measured frequency response, which shows a big dip in at 4KHz (the "in your face, presence" frequencies), and a slightly smaller dip at 8KHz ("sparkle").

To mitigate some of the issues I mentioned regarding the shortcomings I perceived with the RE-400, I made a sample equalization profile I'm using with MediaMonkey. If you don't believe in equalization or don't hear the same things I do, feel free to totally ignore it.

vnWoh7C.png

All in all, the RE-400 turned out to be an astonishingly good buy, and I think they categorically outclass their predecessor (the RE-0) in nearly every way and make few compromises with regards to sound quality, despite their price. I can't imagine getting much better sound for only $100.

 

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Originally Posted by yalper View Post
 

I think you can, after you try havi b3 

 

we'll find out i'm gonna do comparison of them check out at about 8:19 in the video If this interests anyone here wanting a spectacular neutral earphone with a smashing design. check out my review of the havi b3 pro 1 and subscribe for the latest updates and comparisons

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