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post #2221 of 2305
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Originally Posted by modulor View Post
 

If you're using medium size tips, try the small double-flange tips that come with the RE-400 (I think they come pre-installed) as those have the most narrow bore.  Those are kind of designed for a relatively shallow fit, but even if they're not the most comfortable, see if that makes a positive difference sound-wise to you...it should elevate the bass a bit due to the narrower opening.  I will say tip rolling will only take you so far, but it's worth an investigation.  Sony Hybrids are good to try too.

 

There are pretty neutral options out there that have bigger bass body, more lushness and more slam (relatively speaking) or I guess you can say different degres of neutral.  For example, I own the Flux and it's not quite as refined as the RE-400 but it's definitely a more engaging, warmer listen and a more ideal choice for electronic in some cases (or for some preferences).  The EPH-100 is actually pretty neutral, just with a bass boost in the lower registers...I never felt they were truly v-shaped, rather the bass/mids are relatively balanced with one another and the treble is smooth behind them (hence warm/smooth category in joker's writeup) so more of a natural downward slope.  Some will find this a more natural presentation overall and more accurate, and I can definitely agree with that...it can paint a more realistic image in some genres.  I personally have the RE-400 now primarily for vocals and acoustic tracks...it's a great all-arounder but on the more relaxed, less engaging side of that and is best suited for those types of music IMO, while not entirely lacking in others...it's all about the mids.

 

The measurement can be deceptive though comparing directly to those of the RE-400, but I can say there is audibly less sub-bass reverberance in the RE-400 even though it goes down low (similar to how some single/dual BA IEMs sound).  The bass is pretty big and fun on the EPH-100 but without drowning out any other frequencies, as well presented forward bass should be (you don't want muddiness of course) and you can feel the bass (adds a sense of sub-bass realism).  The RHAs are similar, with more of a downward slope so that they're warm with more forward sub-bass but also has a smooth signature overall.  Joker's writeup on the MA750 has some comparison to the RE-400 so you can see where each pair's merits lie...I'd say that they're on par from a technical standpoint, with different presentations: http://theheadphonelist.com/headphone_review/rha-ma750-ma750i/ Same can be said from my (and his) assessment of the EPH-100...these are still not true 'basshead' levels of bass, but you get a better sense of proper bass presentation, at the cost of changing the FR slightly.  This is one reason I encourage people to try out different things, because at least in my journey it's taken a few tries to find out what balance is best suited for me...and my favorite IEM to date is the BA200 :p but the RE-400 still has it's place in my collection.

of course! i'm just saying tip rolling is relatively cheap way to eq the sound and comfort welll cheaper than buying a new iem (where i get my stuff theres no refund soo your kinda stuck if you don't like it). plus you'll always need more tips right ?! =) 

post #2222 of 2305
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Originally Posted by modulor View Post
 

If you're using medium size tips, try the small double-flange tips that come with the RE-400 (I think they come pre-installed) as those have the most narrow bore.  Those are kind of designed for a relatively shallow fit, but even if they're not the most comfortable, see if that makes a positive difference sound-wise to you...it should elevate the bass a bit due to the narrower opening.  I will say tip rolling will only take you so far, but it's worth an investigation.  Sony Hybrids are good to try too.

 

I tried these and they are ok. I have to insert them slighly deeper to get a good seal, but they sound ok. I find them rather uncomfortable though. With the medium tips, I can get a good seal and they do have a reasonable amount of bass, but the fit is so delicate and I keep having to re-adjust them.

 

I don't really want to give up on these as they are clearly good, but if I can't get a comfortable fit then it might be my only choice. If it does come to this, does anyone have any recommendations for around the same price as the RE-400s? I like tight bass and sparkly treble. This would be a good example of the kind of thing I listen to: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5cFa3qqF-s

post #2223 of 2305
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Originally Posted by marctwo View Post
 

 

I tried these and they are ok. I have to insert them slighly deeper to get a good seal, but they sound ok. I find them rather uncomfortable though. With the medium tips, I can get a good seal and they do have a reasonable amount of bass, but the fit is so delicate and I keep having to re-adjust them.

 

I don't really want to give up on these as they are clearly good, but if I can't get a comfortable fit then it might be my only choice. If it does come to this, does anyone have any recommendations for around the same price as the RE-400s? I like tight bass and sparkly treble. This would be a good example of the kind of thing I listen to: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5cFa3qqF-s

In that price-range for that criteria there's the Vsonic GR07 Classic, which are currently $100.  They'll be a bit bassier and a bit more sparkly, but have a tendency to emphasize sibilance in recordings (I didn't like that trait myself but others are OK with it).  The Vsonic is still quite neutral, just slightly more forward bass and more sparkly treble, less forward mids than the RE-400 comparatively.  I'd call it a different flavor of neutral.  The GR07 tends to sound wider in soundstage, but not quite as deep as a result.  Since you like the presentation of the RE-400, my first recommendation would be the TDK BA200 but it has unfortunately been discontinued, so finding a new pair in that price range may be difficult.  Periodically they show up on Ebay/Amazon used in good condition for about $100-$120, but to get the best out of them you need a deeper fit and certain tips (foams, particularly Shure Olives work the best I find) so there's a bit more investment there.  On those, there is a bit more mid-bass and impact vs the RE-400 (though a tad less than the GR07) and a bit more sparkle with a slight tendency at exaggerating sibilance, but IMO less so than the GR07.  The BA200 tends to be the smoothest of the three, except for the treble region where the RE-400 wins out.  Plus, they are a bit fuller sounding than both RE-400 and GR07, thicker of note especially in the midrange.

 

Reviews:

http://theheadphonelist.com/headphone_review/hifiman-re-400-waterline/

http://theheadphonelist.com/headphone_review/vsonic-gr07/

http://theheadphonelist.com/headphone_review/tdk-ba200/

Measurements:

http://rinchoi.blogspot.com/2013/03/hifiman-re-400-evolution-or-devolution.html

http://rinchoi.blogspot.com/2012/10/vsonic-gr07-mkii.html

http://rinchoi.blogspot.com/2013/04/tdk-ba200.html

 

You can see how similar they are to one another :cool: just little differences here and there in presentation.

post #2224 of 2305
Great post modular. I'd add that the Zero Audio Tenore is a very likely candidate at about $60 shipped. A few of us consider it top tier against any price range.
post #2225 of 2305
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Originally Posted by marctwo View Post
 

 

I tried these and they are ok. I have to insert them slighly deeper to get a good seal, but they sound ok. I find them rather uncomfortable though. With the medium tips, I can get a good seal and they do have a reasonable amount of bass, but the fit is so delicate and I keep having to re-adjust them.

 

I don't really want to give up on these as they are clearly good, but if I can't get a comfortable fit then it might be my only choice. If it does come to this, does anyone have any recommendations for around the same price as the RE-400s? I like tight bass and sparkly treble. This would be a good example of the kind of thing I listen to: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5cFa3qqF-s

i actually own both the re400 and the vsonic gr07 BE now the be edition is more expensive but it does have the extra bass response (despite its name its nowhere near basshead category) its more than re400 by a bit but its mindblowingly fast and tight, the extra bass it has over the mk2 supposedly is on the midbass only otherwise identical

 

the mids are a bit pushed back (but just by a hair) i really didn't notice until i a/b them back and forth for a good 15 minutes of hard core concentrating. but otherwise beautiful and clear. the mid are similar to the re400s in that its lean sounding which helps with its transparency (not as transparent as the re400 because of the bass boost but still top notch).

 

the treble is sparkly and dry and well extended, it is a bit siblant. i noticed this at first but its not siblant to the point where its ear piercing, its just more so than the re400 which has a impossibly smooth treble response

 

i actually find the re400 seems to extend farther (notice i said seem because of the extra emphasis the vsonic gr07 be has on the lower treble) but both extend very well

 

sound stage the gr07 is definitely wider abeit a bit more diffuse sounding. so in terms of layering its not as good as the re400

 

even though i've never tried the vsonic gr07 classic i think its a worthwhile try because vsonic was daring enough to replace a head-fi and china favorite, it can't disappoint

 

but the gr07 be is still being produced (the people of china demanded it and vsonic responded ) =) 

 

and lastly i would like just like to let you know, if my gr07be dies one day, i will get another pair! i might buy another one a few years down the road (or recable mines) they will be by my side for a long long time

post #2226 of 2305
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Originally Posted by gnarlsagan View Post

Great post modular. I'd add that the Zero Audio Tenore is a very likely candidate at about $60 shipped. A few of us consider it top tier against any price range.

That is one I really need to hear, as it seems the more recent Zero Audio models (this one in particular) are gaining some traction and popularity as being a big bang for buck.  I know Inks likes the Tenore and I trust his opinion, plus they seem to measure quite well:

 

http://www.geocities.jp/ryumatsuba/zh-dx200-ct.html 

 

Hmm...I may have to check these out now after a little bit of reading lol

post #2227 of 2305

I'm going to keep trying with the RE-400s for a bit longer.

 

In the meanwhile I just want to say thank you to everyone on here. This was my first post on head-fi and you guys have been amazingly helpful. What a great community!

post #2228 of 2305

I'm having problem with the strain relief on my RE-400. It's not unattached yet but is getting so; there is no disconnection yet, but its clearly tearing from the iem. And I'm ridiculously careful with my stuff; it happened trying to take off the complys.  I emailed HiFiMan the end of last week but haven't heard anything back. How long has it taken HiFiMan to get back, in your experience? 

post #2229 of 2305

Send an email to Summer at HiFiMAN U.S. summeryin@hifiman.com If you provide proof of purchase, we will replace it.

 

Peter

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post #2230 of 2305

My UE700's broke right before I'm going on holiday and I need a pair of compact IEMs urgently. Analogue Solutions has them in stock for £89, which is €110 plus ten for shipping to Ireland. Head Direct then have them for $99 plus $10 for shipping, which is around €80. Obviously that is cheaper, but there are fewer guarantees that it'll arrive in time by the 28th of May since it'll be coming from China. Also, that €80 might be more if I'm charged any taxes or duties. Any thoughts? Unfortunately non of the other UK dealers like Advanced MP3 and Electromod have them in stock.

post #2231 of 2305

Excelent sound, very impressive, however, the build quality is not very good, after three month I'm having problems with the connector, I'm losing one of the channels.

post #2232 of 2305
Hi everyone,

Hope everyone's enjoying their RE-400's (and 600's, for that matter). I have an issue with my chin slider on my RE-400. The cables are so smooth that the chin slider will slide down and not hold the cables in place. Becase of this, I struggle to get a fit over the ear due to the cables being unsinched and falling off around my ears.

Is there anyone that has had this problem with their chin slider? Are there any simple solutions? I would prefer not to do anything potentially dangerous to them in terms of DIY stuff: $100 IEM's aren't too cheap for my teenage budget!

Thanks.
post #2233 of 2305
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Originally Posted by Dynamoes1 View Post

Hi everyone,

Hope everyone's enjoying their RE-400's (and 600's, for that matter). I have an issue with my chin slider on my RE-400. The cables are so smooth that the chin slider will slide down and not hold the cables in place. Becase of this, I struggle to get a fit over the ear due to the cables being unsinched and falling off around my ears.

Is there anyone that has had this problem with their chin slider? Are there any simple solutions? I would prefer not to do anything potentially dangerous to them in terms of DIY stuff: $100 IEM's aren't too cheap for my teenage budget!

Thanks.

unfortunately its the same with everyone's mines is the same the demo in the store i tried them in were the same

 

its basically useless the chin slider, but i don't have a problem with looping them over my ear, they flop around when running and stuff but when sitting or walking the weight of the cable is enough to bring the keep the cable in place

 

what you could try: put some electrical tape around the y splitter(electrical tape adds a bit of weight, wrapp it around the y splitter labelling hifiman re400) keeping the cable in place when worn so it doesn't flop around

 

another solution would be to use ear guides

 

vmoda.com has some on their website under accessories

 

 

good luck!

post #2234 of 2305
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Originally Posted by Dynamoes1 View Post

Hi everyone,

Hope everyone's enjoying their RE-400's (and 600's, for that matter). I have an issue with my chin slider on my RE-400. The cables are so smooth that the chin slider will slide down and not hold the cables in place. Becase of this, I struggle to get a fit over the ear due to the cables being unsinched and falling off around my ears.

Is there anyone that has had this problem with their chin slider? Are there any simple solutions? I would prefer not to do anything potentially dangerous to them in terms of DIY stuff: $100 IEM's aren't too cheap for my teenage budget!

Thanks.

I can say from experience that it's hit or miss with the slider piece, as I've had 2 pair of RE-400, I've demoed an RE-600 and tried another RE-400 at a meet.  Of the two I have, one stays better than the other but none have been perfect.  The RE-600's slider is coated like the driver housing so it tends to stay better than the RE-400s I have tried.  I just cut a small section of a twist-tie and put it right below where I wanted the slider:

 


Edited by modulor - 6/3/14 at 2:19pm
post #2235 of 2305
This is exactly what I've been looking for... I feel dumb not thinking of it in the first place! Thanks. smily_headphones1.gif
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