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post #2116 of 2301

Hi Everyone,

 

New guy here. Been skulking around head-fi for months now, but haven't felt the need to post. I have learned a ton of info from this site, so am feeling the need to start contributing. I'm an old school hi-fi guy who got out of it about 5 years ago because I became tired of the frustratingly complicated and expensive nature of it all. Back then, I had and still have a pair of Etymotic er4P/S, but never really gave them there just due. I just used them when I traveled and that's it. Now I'm fairly new to the headphone world. I started on this journey a few months ago and have been thoroughly bitten. ;-) Here's a list of the gear that I've already bought, tried and mostly returned because I apparently have a very picky ear:

 

Fiio e5, e11, e07k, e17, eo9K (returned all)

Aune T1 (keeping for now)

Centrance Hifi M8 (totally keeping for ever!)

BSG CMOY 18v amp with AD712 op amp, with the AD8620ARZ on order. ( A fun little amp to play with)

 

AKG K550 (returned)

Sennheiser Momentum over ear (returned)

Sennheiser Amperior silver (returned)

Pioneer se-a1000 (still have, but will probably return)

PSB M4U-1 (keeping cuz they are the best I've heard compared to all the others I've tried, period)

Hifi man re-400 (keeping as of recent discoveries)

 

I bought the re-400's because of all the great reviews. I honestly wasn't very impressed with them at first, but kept them around because they were so cheap. Well as time went by, I was actually getting ready to return them because now I'm pining for a pair of Mad Dogs. I just didn't like the way the midrange sounded forward and compressed, especially with classical music and violins. Thing was, I looked at all the tips, which mine came with like 10 pair, and at first grabbed the foam Comply tips because that's what I was used to using with my er4's. I thought they were the best because they gave the best isolation. After a bit, I didn't like the sound, so I cut the ends off so that the opening was larger. This didn't help much, so I put them away for awhile, then I happened on Rin Choi's Headphone Analysis blog (http://rinchoi.blogspot.com), which is pretty impressive with the detail and measurements he does. Anyway he wrote about how very important it was to get the re-400's exactly at the second bump in the ear canal to sound they're best. So I busted out all the tips for them again and this time tried them all, so I though. I first thought the clear medium sized silicon tips were the trick. They certainly improved the bass and tamed the midrange compression a bit. I listened to them like this for a couple of days and still wasn't totally pleased, then I realized that I had forgotten about the very small black silicon, double flange tips that came with the headphones were in the bottom of the box they came in because I thought they would be too small for me. I slapped those puppies on and jammed the re's into my ears as far as they would go. The back of the re is flush with the nub of my ear hole. Well, Holy Moly! This is what I've been missing! Now I get it! The midrange compression is gone. In fact the midrange is beautiful and lush and big. The bass is nice and not too big, but there where it needs to be. I'm listening to these puppies now, connected to my hifi M8, which I recently learned was using wrong too because of this site. I was using the impedance switch backwards. Anyway, I am now loving these iem's and now understand what all the fuss is about. So, my long winded point is that if you are not liking these, make sure you try all the tips, find the ones that let you jam them into you're ears as far as possible and still keep a good seal. You will be richly rewarded when you find the right ones. :wink_face:

post #2117 of 2301

^ Thank you Rcordosi for sharing and welcome to Head-Fi! +1 on the little black double flange tips. I too have found those to be the best.

post #2118 of 2301
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Originally Posted by AstralStorm View Post

As promised, here's the equalization for deep fitted Comply T-400 Small. RE-400 have the damper removed, but filter still in.
Sound is generally warmer and meatier, as typical with these foams. What's more interesting is that detailing is improved, equalization or not.

Subbass is like HE-500 w/ Jergpads, except slightly less impactful, yet thicker but just as fast. Bass decay is better, linearity is just as perfect after correction. Beats HE-500 and Paradox at timbre, except at highs. Ends at 17.5kHz with this equalization - I'd need way steeper highs adjustment. It is I think less dark than SE-5 unequalized - instead of sounding hard shelved, sounds relatively smoothly rolled off with a bit of shout/glare.
Reacts way better to equalization and keeps superior distortion handling. Ringing is vastly reduced compared to silicone tips.





More: Detailing easily beats Brainwavz B2 in direct comparison, whereas without foams it was comparable, with B2 being edgy and distorted, and RE-400 being too smooth. Now it's way less smoothed over. Sounds super dampened, akin to a studio or T50rp Paradox. Hard to describe space size because of this, but it's definitely not a free field.
The loss of definition due to shell ringing now sounds more like a bit of de-esser (or anti-sibilance) and is much more limited in range, whereas previously it was all over treble. Doesn't affect cymbals, guitars or trumpets for example.
The timbre is closest to HE-500 with Jergpads, but "more". Soundstaging is more coherent - possibly because the correction is easier and thus more precise. They're mercilless in exposing any kind of artifact (among them: lowpass, rolloffs, compression, clipping, MP3 dropouts, preecho) except minor amounts of sibilance.

EDIT: Precisely adjusted peaks and updated image. Even more detailed description. Removed silly idle speculation.

Nice and detailed review. I wanted to buy Vsonic VSD1 or Soundmagic E10 until I read your review for RE-400. I use my ipod classic and my music is jazz and electronic. So I need clarity, bass and good separation of instruments. I would like to hear your opinion. Thanks
post #2119 of 2301

I'm guessing this is the main RE400 topic.. if not, please advise :)

 

 

What tips are you guys using for the RE400? I used to have RE0 with the clear biflanges that fit me perfectly - now I got the RE400 with extra tips for tenner, and none of them fit me well... the clear ones are too wide (great seal ,but hurt after a while) and the black bi flanges are too rigid, thus hurt as well.

I've been using my Sony hybrids on these with mixed effects... anything else you guys can recommend?

post #2120 of 2301

First time I didn't like sony hybrids and mh1c tips on RE-400. They cut treble, which is unnecessary  

 

I like filtered tips best in the package

post #2121 of 2301
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Originally Posted by Sephael View Post
 

I'm guessing this is the main RE400 topic.. if not, please advise :)

 

 

What tips are you guys using for the RE400? I used to have RE0 with the clear biflanges that fit me perfectly - now I got the RE400 with extra tips for tenner, and none of them fit me well... the clear ones are too wide (great seal ,but hurt after a while) and the black bi flanges are too rigid, thus hurt as well.

I've been using my Sony hybrids on these with mixed effects... anything else you guys can recommend?

If the bi-flanges from the RE0 fit perfectly, you should still be able to get them from head-direct:

 

http://head-direct.com/Products/?act=detail&id=33

 

I know it says RE1/RE2 in the description but they're the same AFAIK.

 

I personally use these:

 

 

They have a wide bore and I can get a nice, deep seal with them.  Honestly, these should be available in several sizes and should be a more common shape.  The opening on the Sony Hybrids is too narrow for the RE-400 IMO.

post #2122 of 2301

Hey guys, My Re400's, seem to have a problem, When I plug them into my ipod classics, they seem to play for a little while then die, I move the plug about a bit plays again then either dies or goes really soft, never happens with anything else...What could be the problem here?

post #2123 of 2301
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Originally Posted by maguire View Post
 

Hey guys, My Re400's, seem to have a problem, When I plug them into my ipod classics, they seem to play for a little while then die, I move the plug about a bit plays again then either dies or goes really soft, never happens with anything else...What could be the problem here?

Quite odd.

Can you try your RE400 with another player/source?

post #2124 of 2301

Yes I have tried with similar results. I have just contacted the Service dept of Hifiman & reported the problem & waiting on reply.

It seems to be a jack problem.

post #2125 of 2301
Not much can go wrong with iem's. A bad driver would probably cause problems with one side sounding scratchy. Is it on both sides? If so, you more than likely have a wire about to break. I would send them in for repair.
post #2126 of 2301
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Originally Posted by maguire View Post
 

Yes I have tried with similar results. I have just contacted the Service dept of Hifiman & reported the problem & waiting on reply.

It seems to be a jack problem.

This is likely true and I think was a QC issue with some of the earlier pairs.  It sounds like the connection of the wire to the TRS plug is disconnecting, and then reconnecting when you move the jack (bad solder joint) - not uncommon on HiFiMan cables unfortunately, but they have excellent customer support so they should be able to repair or replace your pair.

post #2127 of 2301

Yes I have dealt with them before about a faulty 262 I once had & they replaced it for me. Just waiting on a reply from them.

I bought IEM's 2nd hand, only a few months ago.

post #2128 of 2301
Hello all,

I just received my RE400s yesterday, and spent a few hours yesterday, and a handful of hours today listening to them.

I'm currently using them with the Comply T400 medium tips, which let me get them pretty deeply inserted. Listening straight out of a 1st gen iPod touch, iPad Air, or iPhone 5S. (Usually the iPod when puting around the house)

Overall, I'm missing the bass and warmth of my Sennheiser CX300-IIs. I read plenty of reviews on these 400s, but I expected the low end to be a bit fuller. The clarity is fantastic. Live performances/concert recordings sound great. Opera and classical sound good. But studio mixed hip hop and R&B seems to lose some life.

Do these get better with burn in? Or is the sound signature just the nature of the beast? I love the detail and clarity, but I didn't think it would come at the expense of a lively sound.
post #2129 of 2301
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Originally Posted by MrRodriguez View Post

Hello all,

I just received my RE400s yesterday, and spent a few hours yesterday, and a handful of hours today listening to them.

I'm currently using them with the Comply T400 medium tips, which let me get them pretty deeply inserted. Listening straight out of a 1st gen iPod touch, iPad Air, or iPhone 5S. (Usually the iPod when puting around the house)

Overall, I'm missing the bass and warmth of my Sennheiser CX300-IIs. I read plenty of reviews on these 400s, but I expected the low end to be a bit fuller. The clarity is fantastic. Live performances/concert recordings sound great. Opera and classical sound good. But studio mixed hip hop and R&B seems to lose some life.

Do these get better with burn in? Or is the sound signature just the nature of the beast? I love the detail and clarity, but I didn't think it would come at the expense of a lively sound.

to be perfectly honest in terms of the bass quantity with the complys you have already maxed out the quantity on the re400 without severely compromising the sound quality with eq.

 

you could try another narrow nozzle tip (even those these don't exactly fit without forcing them (in essence damaging the tips) use the klipsch silcone (which seals well for me with their oval tips) or the sony hybrids (those are more balenced > the klipsch

 

i currently use a pair of tips i got from a friends (sol republic amps) VERY WIDE BORE (a bit wider than the widest bore available with the re400s. (i had used the gr07 tips, which sealed very well for me) but these really do free up the treble (the bass quantity has dropped but its even tighter) the mids are beautiful (sometimes the midbass gets in the way a little bit but now no problem)---> just my preference though for the re400s (i have bassy iems available so i'm happy using the re400s for different genres)

post #2130 of 2301
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Originally Posted by Tom22 View Post

to be perfectly honest in terms of the bass quantity with the complys you have already maxed out the quantity on the re400 without severely compromising the sound quality with eq.

you could try another narrow nozzle tip (even those these don't exactly fit without forcing them (in essence damaging the tips) use the klipsch silcone (which seals well for me with their oval tips) or the sony hybrids (those are more balenced > the klipsch

i currently use a pair of tips i got from a friends (sol republic amps) VERY WIDE BORE (a bit wider than the widest bore available with the re400s. (i had used the gr07 tips, which sealed very well for me) but these really do free up the treble (the bass quantity has dropped but its even tighter) the mids are beautiful (sometimes the midbass gets in the way a little bit but now no problem)---> just my preference though for the re400s (i have bassy iems available so i'm happy using the re400s for different genres)

Thanks for the info. That's somewhat disappointing. I guess I will see if I can adjust to the reduced bass and still enjoy all my music. The clarity is addicting. Though I will most likely end up using my CX300-IIs just as much as these new 400s... The CX300-IIs with Comply foam tips are pretty great. Which is depressing considering they cost less than a 3rd of the HiFiMan IEMs. I don't want to go anywhere near the EQ to make up for the reduced bass.
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