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post #1906 of 2208

But the LCD'2s and HD650's, those are dark, yeesh.

post #1907 of 2208

In contrast to a more neutral sounding phone like the RE272, or an Etymotic, the RE-600 can sound dark in comparison; it's the well-reserved treble that does it, more or less.  The upper-mids do help it from becoming an entirely dark phone though.  Personally, I feel there is a bit too much upper midrange for me to call the RE-600 dark though, it'll always be warm and sweet IMO. 


Edited by tinyman392 - 8/16/13 at 9:58pm
post #1908 of 2208
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Really?  My hearing doesn't go above 15k but it didn't sound at all dark to me.  Maybe everything sound so crisp I couldn't tell that it was dark?

 

The bulk of treble energy lies in the 5-10 kHz region which defines how bright or dark a headphone is. A headphone with a neutral response to 10 kHz, but too much energy above that will not be bright, but rather "stingy," whereas a recessed 10 kHz region in this case will make the sound somewhat dull and lacking air, but not dark.


Edited by Pianist - 8/16/13 at 11:32pm
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The bulk of treble energy lies in the 5-10 kHz region which defines how bright or dark a headphone is. A headphone with a neutral response to 10 kHz, but too much energy above that will not be bright, but rather "stingy," whereas a recessed 10 kHz region in this case will make the sound somewhat dull and lacking air, but not dark.

 

The treble drops an easy 5 dB (maybe a little more) once you pass the 2-3 kHz region.  That's why they find it dark in contrast to a more neutral phone.  It's entirely understandable.  I sometimes feel the treble could have a better presence to it ;)

post #1910 of 2208
Where I thought hifiman could have taken the crown with this next reiteration that is the waterline series, I'm glad other companies are stepping up to provide great competition to keep things a little more honest, like KEF and surprisingly Phillips, who I remember made some of the ugliest TV's ever. Who's going to surprise us next? Zenith? LOL.
post #1911 of 2208

DuMont.

post #1912 of 2208

Sanyo?

post #1913 of 2208

The Re-600's - do they keep the same amount of airiness and near open sound as the Re-272's?  The 272's never sound congested, ever.

post #1914 of 2208

having both the re400 (ok) and re272 (awesome), and having owned the re-zero/252/262, i am looking fwd to see how the re600 compare with these when i get the 600 on the loan tour

the re272 though are some quality iems - 2 years now , nothing but smiles

 

post #1915 of 2208
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The Re-600's - do they keep the same amount of airiness and near open sound as the Re-272's?  The 272's never sound congested, ever.

I'd say no, they're a bit more intimate sounding. not really congested either but the midrange is a bit forward which I believe makes a big difference compared to 272

post #1916 of 2208

i feel this when switching from 272 to 400

the 272 feels more open because of the airy highs , while the 400 somehow seems to close in , due to the mids being more prominent

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I'd say no, they're a bit more intimate sounding. not really congested either but the midrange is a bit forward which I believe makes a big difference compared to 272

post #1917 of 2208

I haven't heard the 272s, but if I were a betting man, I'd just have to say that if you were expecting a sound signature like the 272 (neutral), you're not going to get it with the RE-600, the treble is just a little too controlled to do that :( 

post #1918 of 2208

If someone likes RE272 and has amplifier, just try Etymotic ER4S and start to live happy for a long years:)

post #1919 of 2208

So the wiring to the plug on my RE-400s has failed. My fourth Hifiman product that has not last 6 months. Such a shame, the SQ on these was so great for the price. Anyone else having problems?

post #1920 of 2208

Oh, not good. I've had mine for 4 months now and haven't had any issues yet. NOT a fan of the connector though.

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