Thank you for your gracious and thoughtful disagreement; however, I would like to assert that the limits of content presuppose an ideological frame onto the discussions on that particular sub-forum.
Heh, yeah I know what you mean I was just finkin that bud.
I see your point, but in my opinion, if a person hears a drastic difference from one piece of gear to another, there should be some sort of difference showing up on paper somewhere. Of course, just because something sounds better doesn't mean it technically is better, some people think various kinds of distortion sound better, and that's fine. But it does bother me when people start telling newcomers they need to spend humongus amounts of money on cables and amps, regardless of one amp being no better (or in some cases actually worse) than others, or telling them they MUST have an amp for something that doesn't require an amp and can be driven just fine by their source (assuming their source is technically adequate). A good example would be trying to convince someone that their 32ohm (flat across the board) headphones with over 100dB/mw sensitivity headphones will sound bad out of their ipod. They won't. The output impedance is low enough to achieve a stable voltage across the entire freq. range, and they're efficient enough to output quite a lot of sound with minimal distortion from an ipod. Now, when people talk about things like a K701/2 being hard to drive or other similar phones, guess what? They're correct, and it can easily be explained by objectively based on their widely varying impedance, low sensitivity, etc. All i'm saying is that true differences in sound can and will always show up on paper as real differences, and we can explain why it is different along with using that knowledge to decide what it is you need for a particular headphone, sound preference, etc. I don't think subjective debates should be immediately shot down, i think they should be investigated, and yes, DBTed.
I think the issue and debates continue because, at a base level, different people hold positions that are just incompatible. On one level it's a question about cables or amps, but push a bit further and you get into more complicated territories- disagreements can be about subjective and objective knowledge, questions of truth, justification, belief, knowledge, and personal values.
How about that. I read this thread and expect it to be a general complaint about stuff going on on headfi currently and find potentially a great movie recommendation.
proton007, is this movie good??
I don't get sick of headfi. There are certain threads to avoid, certain posts to skip, certain topics to avoid all because they would give me a bit of that 'sick' feeling. But I know this place well enough to filter through that stuff and find what I like.
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I fully agree!
It's "The Inquisitors" who drive me to drink!
Yep, conflicting but civil viewpoints exist all over Head Fi..........................unless you are in the Sci Fi Fo
Oh man, can someone please break this down for me?
I cheerfully admit this looses me.................. I'm an engineer, not a philosopher.
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Contact movie & book are very high on the awesomeness scale! Probably an 11 on a scale of 1 to 10.
Have you seen Prometheus yet?
Ooops, you're in New Zealand, it won't make it there until 2013! LOL!
I live in Canada, please forward all Canadian insults and jokes to me!
Sorry, I'll try to break it down Canuck style.
"the limits of content presuppose an ideological frame onto the discussions on that particular sub-forum."
The rules of hockey create the expectations that players will behave in certain ways.
I'll put it this way.
When discussing "science", there need to be some ground rules.
I'm directly quoting this from Wikipedia:
So, when you start talking about Perception, you're already drifting away from Science. They do not tend to mix well.
What is out there (sound waves) is *real* (they're the same as physically explained by a Scientific Model) until they enter your ears (they're perceived differently).
It can be argued that there will be a statistical mean to this "perception".
Still, its not Science, because I cannot establish a relationship, or a model that can predict the preference of a listener with 5/6 Sigma certainty.