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I've been using the Ha-Fxz200 for a while now, and I decided to register to share my thoughts on it. 

 

 

Yes, I purchased this product based on what I read from dsnuts

 

No, it doesn't quite sound as powerful as my subwoofer downstairs, when I play it through my iPhone. It has that kind of sound if I add my C5 amplifier, but the bass from the C5, even before turning on the boost, is a tad bit too powerful. It tends to distort the sound. Flipping the switch and boosting the bass does then give it that "subwoofer" sound, but it becomes too distorted at regular listening volumes. You'd have to turn it down. On certain recordings, it pretty much destroys all the other frequencies along with it. Listening to Drake's The Real Her or Underground Kings for example, sounds bad. Very bad. The sound is actually perfect coming from my iPhone 5. Well, maybe not perfect. Perhaps more preferable. 

 

 

Listening to the Ha-Fxz200 was over all a pretty important lesson in audio, for me. Because I realized there's two different sounds. Being from a Caribbean background, I'm used to massive sound systems and bass vibrating the walls. Because of that, I used to even wear iPod earbuds in-ear style, in order to get the proper bass and sound. It shouldn't shock anyone that I actually thought iPod earbuds were better than most other stuff, based on how I wore them. 

 

But now I can say that that stuff was kind of bad, because the original recording was pretty much colored by all that bass [Referring to sound systems]. So now when I listen to stuff these days, my mind plays along with the music, but insists the bass is "lacking" and adds more to it. "Subwoofer" bass. When i listen to recordings from the 2003 era, when i first came to the United States, I can't help but add more bass or feel it's lacking. 

 

And as cliche as it sounds by now, the Ha-Fxz200 just plays back the music depending on the quality of the file and how it was recorded in the studio. It does not necessarily give subwoofer bass, and if it did, your music won't sound like a home theater system. At least to me, it doesn't sound anything like the home theater system I have downstairs, and it never will. The sound just hits your ears in a different way. It's not meant to sound the same way. 

 

 

[...]

 

 

I had been in the market for another in-ear headphone, after I decided to "upgrade" from my Nocs Ns600 Crush, which I had been using with a Digizoid ZO2. They were good for what they were. But I wanted something more out of headphones. I had always been eying the Tralucent Audio 1Plus2, but I decided I choose not to part with $1,500 for headphones. It simply made no sense. 

 

I decided to try and purchase the Aurisonics ASG-2, based on Kunlun's glowing review, but was disappointed to hear from Andy [Aurisonics salesman] that product is only made to order. They don't keep stock around. It was a 2 week wait. I'm the type of person that buys stuff and pays for one day shipping. I don't like waiting for stuff. 

 

The whole thing was Aurisonics didn't even have the ASG-2 on their site. I read many times that they were going to do this "soon", but I doubt they have by now. Anyways, he pointed me to another site, Washington music. They didn't have it either. I had to email them, to find out it was available. Too bad he didn't get back to me until after I decided to buy something else. 

 

It was just a complete disappointment that I as a potential customer, had to jump through a bunch of hoops to buy something. But, that's besides the point. 

 

 

Initial thoughts & Post Burn-In

When first got the JVC, they sounded kind of mediocre. No better than the Nocs. Vocals weren't any better, and the bass was actually weaker. This was something I expected to sound miles ahead of my Nocs. 

 

 

 

But later on, something strange happened. I was listening to music one night, and suddenly, the vocals were clear. More clear than on the Nocs. It simply sounded like a person speaking into a microphone. It was as if I was listening to the studio session, or I had become the microphone itself. It was a kind of intimacy I never had with the Nocs. 

 

The recordings just sounded like.. Recordings. That's basically what they were for the most part. Voice recordings mixed with music. Micro details also shine through. I don't have to listen out for them. They just present themselves. 

 

How's the bass?

The bass is not like a "subwoofer". Let's be clear about that. Does it rumble? Yep. Does it thump? Yep. But it's no subwoofer. Also, like I said, the bass quantity and quality depends on the recording itself. 

 

This goes back to that "lesson" in audio I mentioned above. To think these will sound like a home theater's subwoofer or like the bass from a massive sound system, is a mistake. These things tend to "color" the music after a while. When I listened to certain songs, the bass seemed to be "lacking". 

 

But when I listened to other songs, like for example: 

 

Mc Eiht - Living N' Tha Streetz 

Snoop Dogg - Luv Drunk

The XX - Sunset

Juicy J - One of Those Nights [Current favorite]

 

It rumbles and thumps, but it must be there in the recording [And again, the voices are just.. Like a recording]. If your brain wants something to "thump" or "rumble" a certain way, it doesn't really mean the headphones themselves aren't up to snuff. My guess is, some recordings don't have the desired information in them, and instead what happened was, the producers/artists were listening to the music with speakers. The speakers instead added in that bass, rather than the recording itself. 

 

This for example: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wf7rZgMQmLk

 

Is gonna rumble and rattle your ears. But it won't sound like a subwoofer, because it doesn't hit your ears the same way. Most of all, rumble bass of that level would have be present in the original recording, and you can't quite listen to that at full volume. 33% maybe. 

 

I have no idea why these are called "basshead" headphones. Real excessive bass to me, is the sound you get from a home theater or car subwoofer, or a sound system. Maybe it's my background, but these don't sound anywhere close to that unless it's on the original recording. The JVC's don't add anything that's not supposed to be there. 

 

 

Over all, I have to say I am pretty satisfied with these headphones. Not really because of the bass, but because of the vocals. 


Edited by BlinkST - 6/22/13 at 9:50pm
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Originally Posted by Painful Chafe View Post

Where did the bass go? LOL

 

It's not a bad thing at all. The sound on these is amazing after 300 hours and has settle to where I would not call it a bass heavy IEM anymore. I A/B'd them to my GR07's and XBA3's today. The 200's may be one step heavier in the bass, but not by much. Sub bass can't be touched by either of the other two though.

 

It's too bad, because when I am on other threads and the 100's or 200's come up, people criticize them as too bass heavy. "Bass is fatiguing"  And I am talking about well respected head-fi'ers. I would love to send them my pair to have a listen. I bet they wish they had been more patient.

I really think it depends on how well you get them to seal. When I use the 200s sometimes there is a normal amount of bass and they sound pretty neutral. Then I move them a round a bit and... BAM! It shakes my head and I can feel the bass in my stomach xD And that's without an amp, with an amp they're basshead.gif


Edited by 7S Cameron - 6/23/13 at 1:49am
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Well, if the ASG-2 can match the bass of FXZ200, then it's a buy for me. The treble and isolation should be better than FXZ200. Still waiting for the demo of ASG-2. I didn't want to spend like $500 hoping that I will like it better than the FXZ200. 

And yeah, a good seal is necessary for FXZ200

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To me, these need to break or get lost before I decide to do another "upgrade" again. I'm just too satisfied, especially because of the vocals. 

 

If I had the cash saved up by then, I'd either buy the next generation [300?] or go for the Tralucents, because of the sound presentation I read about [It apparently presents songs in a "live" fashion]. That's the reason I also decided to go for the ASG-2 instead, since it has a similar driver set up, and the music is presented similarly according to Kunlun. Similar story with the MG6pro, though there's no universal option. 

 

I'm confident the JVCs compete with headphones several times the price, otherwise. Though I'm not worried about that, since I'm satisfied for the most part. The only "problem" for me would be more bass.

 

Edit:

After a few hours of burn-in using pink noise, the presentation of the JVCs has changed a bit. As mentioned earlier in the thread, vocals [Especially female] sounded a bit too "high-pitched". Not very pleasant to listen to. Now, the vocals aren't as harsh. 


Edited by BlinkST - 6/23/13 at 2:15pm
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Originally Posted by BlinkST View Post

To me, these need to break or get lost before I decide to do another "upgrade" again. I'm just too satisfied, especially because of the vocals. 

 

If I had the cash saved up by then, I'd either buy the next generation [300?] or go for the Tralucents, because of the sound presentation I read about [It apparently presents songs in a "live" fashion]. That's the reason I also decided to go for the ASG-2 instead, since it has a similar driver set up, and the music is presented similarly according to Kunlun. Similar story with the MG6pro, though there's no universal option. 

 

I'm confident the JVCs compete with headphones several times the price, otherwise. Though I'm not worried about that, since I'm satisfied for the most part. The only "problem" for me would be more bass.

 

Edit:

After a few hours of burn-in using pink noise, the presentation of the JVCs has changed a bit. As mentioned earlier in the thread, vocals [Especially female] sounded a bit too "high-pitched". Not very pleasant to listen to. Now, the vocals aren't as harsh. 

I honestly haven't heard an IEM that has more bass than the FXZ200. That's why I'm kind of skeptical about the ASG-2's bass.

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I honestly haven't heard an IEM that has more bass than the FXZ200. That's why I'm kind of skeptical about the ASG-2's bass.

Me neither. But we're talking about a guy that reviewed the MG6 Pro, and believes the ASG-2 has the same kind of "real" bass. 

 

 

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Bass: The AS-2 gives you what bass sounds like. Real bass is felt as much as heard and for that you need a vented shell design for your earphone so air can move. I’ve heard audio engineers talk about how air movement with a vent shell earphone is important for ear drum and listening fatigue as well, but I can’t speak to that except to say I think the AS-2 lets you experience it for yourself. The AS-2 is qualitatively different from the typical closed shell balanced armature ciems out there in terms of bass. You are getting something that even the most bassy balanced armature earphone lacks. If you want that, you’ve come to the right place. If you don’t, well, you can close the bass vent entirely and…you’ve still come to the right place! The vent system means you can really choose what you want and you can go from a very polite bass all the way to bass that powerfully booms.

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/661775/review-the-aurisonics-as-2-15mm-dynamic-driver-2-balanced-armature-hybrid-custom-fit-stage-monitor

 

I'm not convinced it'll actually sound $350 better than the JVCs though.


Edited by BlinkST - 6/23/13 at 3:29pm
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Me neither. But we're talking about a guy that reviewed the MG6 Pro, and believes the ASG-2 has the same kind of "real" bass. 

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/661775/review-the-aurisonics-as-2-15mm-dynamic-driver-2-balanced-armature-hybrid-custom-fit-stage-monitor

 

I'm not convinced it'll actually sound $350 better than the JVCs though.

Yeah, that's the thing. It's more than double the price of FXZ200. I mean if ASG-2 just have more isolation...., then I'll pass. I already lined up for the demo of ASG-2.

Hopefully I get it within a month.

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Yeah, that's the thing. It's more than double the price of FXZ200. I mean if ASG-2 just have more isolation...., then I'll pass. I already lined up for the demo of ASG-2.

Hopefully I get it within a month.

I'll look forward to that. If it indeed sounds better, I'll still have to wait until my own JVCs break to purchase one. By then there should be a next generation ASG-3 or something. 

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I'll look forward to that. If it indeed sounds better, I'll still have to wait until my own JVCs break to purchase one. By then there should be a next generation ASG-3 or something. 

lol alright.

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So I've been using the HA-FXZ100's and was sorely underwhelmed by their overall sound signature. They seemed very resistant to produce "loud" sound, they always seemed muted and out of reach being driven from my Nokia Lumia 920. I've been working with them for about a month now and whether it's that the drivers have loosened, or I am becoming accustomed to their sound, the "burn in" has done them well. IN ADDITION to burn-in, I believe these benefit greatly from a mild amp. I picked up a FiiO E5 for $20, which includes "flat" and "bass boost" modes. I've tweaked my Nokia's EQ to my liking, the sound is no longer flat but is just dynamic enough for me, the bass is perfect for me after routing the sound from my Lumia and through the E5 amp in the bass boost mode. It's not thundering bass, but it's a strong rumble that sustains itself. Vocals sound AWESOME! It sounds like the singer themselves is living inside these massive IEMs, lol. Percussion is great and electronic/synthesizer sound is great. Cymbals though can be a bit weak, but as soon as you find them you realize the sound is there. Also, I saw somebody was asking about eartips, I use a pair of Comply foam tips that I got with my JBL J33's, they work with just about any earbud and are incredibly comfortable. The FXZ's I would say require a good seal, and Comply foam tips offer that good seal. So those are my thoughts. I'm now really happy with the HA-FXZ100's+FiiO E5 configuration. I was worried that I had wasted my money on these, but now I feel better because it was definitely worth it.
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So I've been using the HA-FXZ100's and was sorely underwhelmed by their overall sound signature. They seemed very resistant to produce "loud" sound, they always seemed muted and out of reach being driven from my Nokia Lumia 920. I've been working with them for about a month now and whether it's that the drivers have loosened, or I am becoming accustomed to their sound, the "burn in" has done them well. IN ADDITION to burn-in, I believe these benefit greatly from a mild amp. I picked up a FiiO E5 for $20, which includes "flat" and "bass boost" modes. I've tweaked my Nokia's EQ to my liking, the sound is no longer flat but is just dynamic enough for me, the bass is perfect for me after routing the sound from my Lumia and through the E5 amp in the bass boost mode. It's not thundering bass, but it's a strong rumble that sustains itself. Vocals sound AWESOME! It sounds like the singer themselves is living inside these massive IEMs, lol. Percussion is great and electronic/synthesizer sound is great. Cymbals though can be a bit weak, but as soon as you find them you realize the sound is there. Also, I saw somebody was asking about eartips, I use a pair of Comply foam tips that I got with my JBL J33's, they work with just about any earbud and are incredibly comfortable. The FXZ's I would say require a good seal, and Comply foam tips offer that good seal. So those are my thoughts. I'm now really happy with the HA-FXZ100's+FiiO E5 configuration. I was worried that I had wasted my money on these, but now I feel better because it was definitely worth it.

How do the J33s sound? I've always been curious about JBL phones.

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So I've been using the HA-FXZ100's and was sorely underwhelmed by their overall sound signature. They seemed very resistant to produce "loud" sound, they always seemed muted and out of reach being driven from my Nokia Lumia 920. I've been working with them for about a month now and whether it's that the drivers have loosened, or I am becoming accustomed to their sound, the "burn in" has done them well. IN ADDITION to burn-in, I believe these benefit greatly from a mild amp. I picked up a FiiO E5 for $20, which includes "flat" and "bass boost" modes. I've tweaked my Nokia's EQ to my liking, the sound is no longer flat but is just dynamic enough for me, the bass is perfect for me after routing the sound from my Lumia and through the E5 amp in the bass boost mode. It's not thundering bass, but it's a strong rumble that sustains itself. Vocals sound AWESOME! It sounds like the singer themselves is living inside these massive IEMs, lol. Percussion is great and electronic/synthesizer sound is great. Cymbals though can be a bit weak, but as soon as you find them you realize the sound is there. Also, I saw somebody was asking about eartips, I use a pair of Comply foam tips that I got with my JBL J33's, they work with just about any earbud and are incredibly comfortable. The FXZ's I would say require a good seal, and Comply foam tips offer that good seal. So those are my thoughts. I'm now really happy with the HA-FXZ100's+FiiO E5 configuration. I was worried that I had wasted my money on these, but now I feel better because it was definitely worth it.

Glad everything worked out for you. I've been contemplating over an amp for my FXZ200's as well. I was really disappointed with it's output level at first as well. But recently changing phones it has improved a lot but I still feel that it's lacking a good 20%~25% in terms of potential with out an amp.

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Glad everything worked out for you. I've been contemplating over an amp for my FXZ200's as well. I was really disappointed with it's output level at first as well. But recently changing phones it has improved a lot but I still feel that it's lacking a good 20%~25% in terms of potential with out an amp.

I've been having a similar problem lately after a few more hours of burn in. I thought my hearing had gone bad or something. 

 

Sometimes there are songs where I'd expect a louder bass "hum" or "thump". Then there are songs where it seems to work just as I remembered from my older headphones. Songs like 

 

[Uyama Hiroto - One Dream]

[Fat Jon - Exact Space]

[Rebel Clique - To Love

[Sister Sledge - Thinking of You]

 

Maybe all those years of downloading music caught up to me. It overall developed this "clarity" sound to it. Stuff sounds clearer and more detailed, but the volume could be better. Seriously. Stuff I listened to maybe 3 days ago, like Good Times and He's the Greatest Dancer, sound quieter, yet clearer somehow. It's weird watching music videos with it, because the video shows the person all over the place, yet the recording itself makes it sound like they're in the studio.

 

[Usher - Confessions Pt. II

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Originally Posted by BlinkST View Post

I've been having a similar problem lately after a few more hours of burn in. I thought my hearing had gone bad or something. 

 

Sometimes there are songs where I'd expect a louder bass "hum" or "thump". Then there are songs where it seems to work just as I remembered from my older headphones. Songs like 

 

[Uyama Hiroto - One Dream]

[Fat Jon - Exact Space]

[Rebel Clique - To Love

[Sister Sledge - Thinking of You]

 

Maybe all those years of downloading music caught up to me. It overall developed this "clarity" sound to it. Stuff sounds clearer and more detailed, but the volume could be better. Seriously. Stuff I listened to maybe 3 days ago, like Good Times and He's the Greatest Dancer, sound quieter, yet clearer somehow. It's weird watching music videos with it, because the video shows the person all over the place, yet the recording itself makes it sound like they're in the studio.

 

[Usher - Confessions Pt. II

For me, I thought it was some kind of factory defect. But seeing that lots of others have made similar comments in disappointment, I'm just going to have to conclude that the FXZ series are a particular IEM that will need some help from other devices in order to get it to it's fullest sounding. Some think that this idea is stupid and an IEM like this is not worth it because it must not be doing it's job properly and others think that it's worth the extra effort because they're getting everything out of the FXZ and in the end it's giving them the sound that they want. Personally, in those aspects, it didn't meet my expectations. Actually, I never expected any problem of the sort. But loving the sound that it's able to produce when given the extra effort, I want to think that it is definitely worth it. It's like one of those girls you meet whom you're really interested in but you have to take a certain step, the right step which makes her take a 100 steps closer to you. It may have seemed inconvenient and not worth your time at first but later you may come to realize that you did the right thing. Ok this is weird. Forget this analogy. If there are any girls that have read this, I apologize for comparing you to something we stick in our ears. It just so happens that there are so many similar things about both. Am I the only one that gets emotional with not only earphones/headphones but audio equipment in general? Sorry, nobody has to answer this. I don't want to get off topic like I find myself doing in many other threads.

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Originally Posted by jonyoo View Post

For me, I thought it was some kind of factory defect. But seeing that lots of others have made similar comments in disappointment, I'm just going to have to conclude that the FXZ series are a particular IEM that will need some help from other devices in order to get it to it's fullest sounding. Some think that this idea is stupid and an IEM like this is not worth it because it must not be doing it's job properly and others think that it's worth the extra effort because they're getting everything out of the FXZ and in the end it's giving them the sound that they want. Personally, in those aspects, it didn't meet my expectations. Actually, I never expected any problem of the sort. But loving the sound that it's able to produce when given the extra effort, I want to think that it is definitely worth it. It's like one of those girls you meet whom you're really interested in but you have to take a certain step, the right step which makes her take a 100 steps closer to you. It may have seemed inconvenient and not worth your time at first but later you may come to realize that you did the right thing. Ok this is weird. Forget this analogy. If there are any girls that have read this, I apologize for comparing you to something we stick in our ears. It just so happens that there are so many similar things about both. Am I the only one that gets emotional with not only earphones/headphones but audio equipment in general? Sorry, nobody has to answer this. I don't want to get off topic like I find myself doing in many other threads.

I actually really liked your analogy, there is definitely truth in it.

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