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post #1411 of 3204

Feliz Año Nuevo from Spain. 

post #1412 of 3204

Well im now warming to the sound, it takes a bit of getting used to.

 

I had a mild headache to begin with, had it with the fxd80's i think it's my hearing adjusting to a different signature.

 

What i am noticing is how everything sounds exactly as it should. Bass guitars strum along nice and deep, hi hats and cymbals tizz and shimmer like they should. Vocals are better on these than the fxd series, more forward and intimate, but it shares the same great timbre.

 

I still keep expecting to hear that sub, but it's very subtle it just blends in adding to the lower register, and only really comes out to play on tracks that demand it.

post #1413 of 3204
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Originally Posted by Painful Chafe View Post

I'm beginning to have issues with review posted earlier about these being absolutely a "basshead" IEM. This label has a negative connotation to it. I think that headfiers are used to either good/great sounding IEM's with limited bass response or bassy sounding IEM's with different levels of achieving a full range sound. But most fail miserably. Not many, if any IEM's got the full range thing to an audiophile level. Heck there are very few full range speakers and almost no 2.1 systems that achieve this feat. And the speakers that have gotten it correct are $18,000 and up. Integrating 100hz and below seamlessly is something that some audio engineers spend a lifetime trying to perfect.

 

Here is an example of what I'm saying.

 

No audiophile would consider these basshead speakers: Revel Ultima Salon 2's.

 

700

 

 

They produce amazing amazing, lush powerful bass. I'm using these because I have auditioned these, but there are many others to choose from.

 

But, if you got this same sound into an IEM, most Head-Fi'ers would slap a "basshead" label on it regardless of how well they achieved those frequencies. This level of sophistication is foreign to most. They hear and feel 25hz and automatically it is a "basshead IEM. But, in audiophile world they are just know as "full range" speakers.

 

From what I have read, I'm thinking that the 200's are just that. A true "fullrange" IEM because they got the bass perfect. Instead of distracting from the sound, it compliments the sound. It actually adds to the realism of the mids and highs, like the Salon 2's.

 

I believe(correct me if I'm wrong), JVC has produced a new level of IEM. Something that can be considered "fullrange"  but not "basshead". It would be insulting to slap that label on the Salon 2's and from the descriptions of the 200's sound it isn't an accurate label.

 

I may be completely wrong. I haven't listened to the 200's yet. I am going off what I have read and I am mainly hoping this is true because I have mine coming in the mail. wink_face.gif

Thats a load of crap but an entertaing wax on things you haven't heard. Good is good and too much is too much. 25 hz has nothing to do with a basshead product that are about pushing the mid bass and there's plenty of folks that hear it all the time with their home theater subs. I don't know which the JVC is as I haven't heard it but that great speaker you pointed at can also sound muddy if you put it in a corner. When correctly setup, the Salon doesn't have any bass emphasis and it's design in no way relates to te JVC which is more like a fullrange speaker plus bandpass woofer. Both can work great but one reflects nothing of the other.


Edited by goodvibes - 1/1/13 at 7:49am
post #1414 of 3204
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Originally Posted by bobeau View Post

 

Maybe I'm getting old, but as a fair-weather audiophile when I hear someone say, "well, it's a basshead IEM, but it's a great basshead IEM" I have this pavlovian response that's along the lines of hearing "she's a blond, but she's really smart!"

 

Who makes 'basshead' IEMs?  Are those companies revered, upper tier?  What about 'treblehead' IEMs?  I'm not talking about outliers.

 

I could be wrong on this.  Time has a way of changing these perceptions.  Perhaps it's worthy of a poll.

 

EDIT: Just to be clear here, I'm positing the term basshead is a derogatory term amongst audiophiles.  It seems you're implying that it's subjectively neutral meaning that it's just an attribute.  But thinking in the other direction a bit further, I've heard people describe themselves as trebleheads, but I don't recall hearing listening devices described that way... no, they tend to be neutral, accurate, reference.  

 

Some of the most revered iems around here are "basshead."

 

JVC FX700, IE8, MG7, just to name a few. Even the GR07 has more sub-bass power than a lot of other normal iems.

 

The only people you'll hear toting that 'reference' argument are those who are content with the bass reproduction of their Etys and similar iems.

 

 

Maybe it could have been negative in the past when an iem had to sacrifice everything else to get good bass response, but now with the advent of better dynamics and hybrid technology, that's an ancient paradigm. 

post #1415 of 3204

Ok guys I need help. After my first failed attempt at ordering the 200 from Rakuten I am about to try again with Amazon Japan. I am still not sure if I should go with the 100 or 200. I will confess I am a former basshead and the FX700 remains the most enjoyable dynamic IEM I tried but as I get older I start to really enjoy things like GR07MKII rolleyes.gif.

My main iem is the PFE232, which already has superb bass so maybe I should go for the 100.

Only few people have both and from the limited comparisons it seems the bass difference between the two is relatively small with 200 being smoother?

I need Dsnut to pull is fingers out and write a detailed comparison between the two with some musical example biggrin.gif

post #1416 of 3204
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Originally Posted by zenpunk View Post
I need Dsnut to pull is fingers out and write a detailed comparison between the two with some musical example biggrin.gif

 

I agree, with some musical example would be perfect.

post #1417 of 3204
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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post

 

Some of the most revered iems around here are "basshead."

 

JVC FX700, IE8, MG7, just to name a few. Even the GR07 has more sub-bass power than a lot of other normal iems.

 

The only people you'll hear toting that 'reference' argument are those who are content with the bass reproduction of their Etys and similar iems.

 

 

Maybe it could have been negative in the past when an iem had to sacrifice everything else to get good bass response, but now with the advent of better dynamics and hybrid technology, that's an ancient paradigm. 

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post #1418 of 3204
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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post

 

now with the advent of better dynamics and hybrid technology, that's an ancient paradigm. 

 

While I agree with you on this point, I think we'll have to agree to disagree on the perception of the word itself.

 

I still think we have a few years to go where basshead is not considered a dirty word in audiophile circles, that when the term is used it's not with an asterisk.  Actually I think the term will just go away and adjectives like 'full-bodied' will be more common.  


Edited by bobeau - 1/1/13 at 8:30am
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I thought I put up a picture to compare the sizes of the TF10 and the FXZ200 frankenbolts. I wear the 200's down so it does stick out of my ears. I'm not worried about it.

post #1420 of 3204
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Originally Posted by Insidious Meme View Post

I thought I put up a picture to compare the sizes of the TF10 and the FXZ200 frankenbolts. I wear the 200's down so it does stick out of my ears. I'm not worried about it.
 

Not a huge amount in it, ryan will be happy as i suggested the 200's to replace his triple fi's

 

How do they compare sound wise?

post #1421 of 3204
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Originally Posted by BGRoberts View Post

It's New Year's eve at Bolaura, our country home.

Sitting in front of the 10 foot wide bay window, watching the snow fall... about an inch in the last hour.  A neighbor has his tractor and blade out... clearing the road in front of our places.

It's a soft and quiet end for the year 2012, and I'm celebrating with my first "official" listen to the JVC FXZ-200's. 

They've had 70+ hours of burn-in, using a Dubstep mix at about 90% max volume from a Sansa Fuze.

Listening to Norah Jones' album, Come Away With Me, from a digital 96khz download, thru the Dragonfly DAC.

My jaw has hit the floor.

This is the best sound I've ever heard from an IEM.

The bass is even more luscious than that of even the FXZ100's.  I can "feel" the pluck of the bass notes, the punch of the kick pedal, and the scratch of the brushes on the drums.

Norah's voice is sounding pure and smooth.  There are little details here that I don't recall hearing before... the intake of her breath, the quiver in some sustained notes.

The backup vocals are all very distinct, not just the usual "well, there are some backup singers...."

The piano... the violin...the guitars....everything is just RIGHT! 

There's more space and "realism"...I don't know quite how to describe it yet.  The subwoofers kick in smoothly with no muddiness or bass bloat...just sweet bass.  It seems everything is just as it should be.

I'm lovin' what I hear, and will spend the evening exploring my music library with these.

*happy smile and sigh*

HAPPY NEW YEAR my friends!

~BG

 

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@BGRoberts, I feel your gain, I have that same Nora Jones in 24/96,.  +1 100% agree with your impressions, especially on backup vocals/singers.....it is amazing how the 200's do backup vocals, like they were never there before with other IEM's, in comparison.

 

Happy New Year, and it is my birthday as well.........enjoy your music!

Funny, I thought the fxz100s would not pick up what bg wrote, but it is actually similar in characteristics as the fxz200s. Nice find BG, I am loving her album with the fxz100s. Both jvcs are capable for anything thrown at them!

post #1422 of 3204
Yeah how do the JVC's and the triple.fi's compare sound wise?
post #1423 of 3204
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Originally Posted by bobeau View Post

 

While I agree with you on this point, I think we'll have to agree to disagree on the perception of the word itself.

 

I still think we have a few years to go where basshead is not considered a dirty word in audiophile circles, that when the term is used it's not with an asterisk.  Actually I think the term will just go away and adjectives like 'full-bodied' will be more common.  

Basshead means liking more bass than recorded and there's nothing wrong with that. Like all things it's a matter of degrees but to some extent bass heads will always exist. There have been plenty of IEMs with low tight bass before but this one seems to have a better BALANCE of attributes which I applaud. I just don't get this bass spin. It is silly to think that some will like more extra mid bass just because it and the low bass is more controlled. You still will get the best sense of tempo when all is close to right. The one thing I do agree with Painfull Chafe about is that most haven't heard enough genuinely good things to get it. Nothing wrong with liking extra bass but extra bass is not better just becasue it's controlled. It's just different. Like I said, It's either close to a correct amount or not. The rest is preference.

 

 This seems a balanced perspective: http://www.head-fi.org/products/jvc-ha-fxz200/reviews

What I'm most interested in from descriptions is it's sense of openess along with it's control and I'd likely be more interested in a listen to a 100. bigsmile_face.gif


Edited by goodvibes - 1/1/13 at 12:40pm
post #1424 of 3204
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Originally Posted by zenpunk View Post

Ok guys I need help. After my first failed attempt at ordering the 200 from Rakuten I am about to try again with Amazon Japan. I am still not sure if I should go with the 100 or 200. I will confess I am a former basshead and the FX700 remains the most enjoyable dynamic IEM I tried but as I get older I start to really enjoy things like GR07MKII rolleyes.gif.

My main iem is the PFE232, which already has superb bass so maybe I should go for the 100.

Only few people have both and from the limited comparisons it seems the bass difference between the two is relatively small with 200 being smoother?

I need Dsnut to pull is fingers out and write a detailed comparison between the two with some musical example biggrin.gif

 I got a message from Night Crawler yesterday and this is what he wrote.

 

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Night Crawler
Yesterday at 3:18 pm

By the way, I tested a few tracks with the PFE232 and FXZ200, and the latter came out on top. Every. Single. Time...

 

DAT BASS... blink.gif

 

As for the comparisons. There are similarities on both iems. Both being excellent in all things complete and dynamic. My feeling is if you get the FXZ100 they are so great an earphone it will only make you curious about the FXZ200. Probably making you spend more to get the other. So I will just tell you. Get the FXZ200 and be done with. It might replace your PFE232 for you.. If you can afford both I say get both but if you want one or the other..I think you know which one you should go with..

 

I have my laptop set up using my Fire Phoenix and belkin splitter. First track Frank Ocean.

 

This tune has some really nice vocal range and underlying bass drum percussion.

 

Truth be told both earphones sound excellent with this track. Both do this tune 100% justice.

The FXZ200 has more weight, more fullness to the sounds. The beat the vocals has more fullness in tone vs the FXZ100..This is the case where if you only had the FXZ100 it sounds absolutely perfect with this tune but owning the FXZ200 as well. The FXZ200 shows why they cost more here.

 

Soundgarden Blood on the Valley Floor..

 

This tune sounds so Right with both earphones.

 

FXZ100 guitars have a fullness and presence you want in a rock tune. Drum kicks and snares pop with force and great intent. .Again both earphone does this tune absolutely justice here. Chris Cornell's vocals never sounded better..Love me some rock using both earphones.

 

FXZ200. The main difference is the bass guitars have a bigger role in this tune over the FXZ100 the level of bass presence is the difference here..It is exactly the FXZ100 but now with more bass guitars in the mix and even more depth overall adding even more weight to the tune..The best way to describe the difference in the 2 on this tune. The FXZ100 lets you enjoy the tune to the full extent. The FXZ200 you get absolutely immersed in it.

 

Then last but not least. EDM tracks. I will just say it. Both these earphones are absolute monsters here..Sure the FXZ200 has the extra low notes but the FXZ100 doesn't skip a beat and has plenty of that quality low notes. Both are excellent here. But lets be real, guys that love their EDM want DAT BASS.. The FXZ100 is not lacking one bit but the FXZ200 has that extra juice you want. Low notes rumble with a force you crave..I still stand by my thoughts of if you want to try one the FXZ100 is the safe one to try out. Especially if your not so much into bass heavy genres. The FXZ200 I do feel is an upgrade to the FXZ100. And it isn't just because it has more bass but I noticed especially in the mids The mids have more presence on the FXZ200 more weight over the FXZ100. Could be the added brass housing for the mids and highs driver but the depth of the tunes in the FX200 portraying stage presence of the tune like nothing I have heard.. An outstanding achievement by JVC. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

post #1425 of 3204
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Originally Posted by vlenbo View Post

 

Funny, I thought the fxz100s would not pick up what bg wrote, but it is actually similar in characteristics as the fxz200s. Nice find BG, I am loving her album with the fxz100s. Both jvcs are capable for anything thrown at them!


@vienbo...  Yes, both the JVC's are really good.  I'm leaning towards the 200's right now as my favorite.  But that's partly because it's "newer" to me.  I'm very glad to have both, but would also be happy with just either one.

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