Originally Posted by ClieOS
You want an IEM with flat FR curve, yet you like EX85LP, which is actually quite far from being flat in FR curve, so I am not really sure whether you are actually looking for a flat curve or not. Given your idea of flat is very far from actually flat in measurement, I don't think I can recommend anything to you. My best advise is for you to visit a store that can let you demo some good, really flat and accurate sounding IEM (Etymotic for an example, or Phonak PFE1xx) and compared it to what you believe is flat, then you can start looking for you really want.
I'm not sure what you mean. I said that they are closer to flat than the specific models i mentioned. Comparing my ex85lp to listening to my infinity alpha speakers which are very accurate, the sonys are much more accurate than the xba-1. The xba-1 are fatiguing and simply don't have the proper frequency curve. Even if a graph were to show that they were relatively flat eq, i wouldn't believe it. How can a speaker eq curve being the same as an ie eq curve differ in actual sound? If eq is flat shouldn't it sound flat?
So what I was saying is that the sonys offer more bass level like you would hear with my infinity alphas. and i use absolutely no eq adjustments or any processing when i listen to my music... Anywhere. I always prefer the original sound over anything else.
But this is the reason i'm looking for a new ie in the first place, the sonys are not flat. I was merely indicating that the sound properties were more like a speaker than the other models i noted. That's all. When i hear david benoit's bass lines on any speaker i hear the bass. When i listened to it on the xba-1 the low bass was barely audible. I want my low bass! :-P Not 'more' low bass. I just want it there like he recorded it. The ex85lp to my ears have a hump in the bass section, but for whatever reason the overall sound of the set is closer to a speaker experience that the xba-1.
Unfortunately, I have nowhere to test headphones anywhere within 100 miles from my house. the nearest bestbuy only sells klipsch 4si and the xba-1, which i already returned. So i'm just trying to get the best info and make an informed online purchase. For reference, I have a pair of alesis mk1 active mk2 bi-amp studio monitors. While not the best in the world, they are obviously more reference eq than most speakers when setup properly. They are not too bassy, but when a sub or low bass line exists they can punch it out if the song requires. The xba-1 never did that in all my testing. My sonys do, but again, they aren't reference eq. So, with that said my idea of flat would be flat like a good studio monitor. My idea of a good headphone is one that can accurately reproduce frequencies. Not one with a huge bass dropoff like the xba-1. That is all. Hopefully my tone doesn't sound hash, I only want to give you the most info on my views so I can get the most effective opinions on what i'm looking for.
The ue 700 seem to get good reviews and have a good response graph wise, but a few reviews i read said the xba had a good response curve as well,. which i don't understand based on my real listening test. Not to say they are bad, but simply not flat. I know fit in the ear is extremely important, but i tried every ear tip and every possible depth and angle. I know from every other pair I've ever tried they have to fit correctly, and sometimes that required fiddling, but in absolutely no position could I improve the bass at all. But to more precisely describe their tone, it wasn't really that they lacked bass from a technical standpoint, but that the mids were so overpowering they made everything else seem lower. When I turned up the volume to any degree I felt like the mids were being pushed in my face and it simply got uncomfortable. I can't find any graphs on the ex85lp, but these graphs at en.goldenears.net show something interesting that I wonder if you could answer for me.
The earpods: http://en.goldenears.net/12850 compared to the xba-1 http://en.goldenears.net/12124 would indicate the the xba should have better bass than the earpod in terms of a smooth curve. The level would 'appear' to be similar as well. I'm assuming this by the shape of the graph alone. I'm not sure how the different x/y values affect the curve seeing as how they differ between charts. However, the curve being similar should be a similar 'sound' would it not?
Anyhow, if that is in fact the case, why would I have perceived that the xba-1 had at least less than 50% of the bass of the earpods? Did I get a faulty pair? Could they simply not fight my ear no matter what I do? They felt like they fit the same as my wifes sony bumpin buds. And those give me the proper bass (too much) when inserted. I want to save up and pull the trigger on the ue 700 I think, but based on reviews I wouldn't have thought the xba-1 would have sounded like it did. I realize a lot of audio is subjective opinion. However, when talking about reference sound, there must be a standard, flat, studio quality reference point that these things can be compared by... Any thought?
Edited by luisdent - 11/13/12 at 7:01pm