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post #1471 of 1806

I see on Amazon comments for the X1, it is suggested to change to a lead with less resistance. Easiest and cheapest upgrade route.

 

A decent sound card that has sockets to replace the op-amps has been the most rewarding money spent for me. Preferably a circuit design with (2) I/V  sockets and (1) output socket. It is the only way to test and find op-amps to your liking and get the most of your headphones.

post #1472 of 1806

Got my AD2Kx yesterday and so far wow... big upgrade over the AD900x... yes the sound stage presentation is smaller (though still pretty big) everything is better... instrument separation is very good, decay is much faster allowing the 2Kx to present faster music with much more detail (really overall the 2kx has by far superior detail retrieval) and still retains the breathy vocal presentation I loved in the 900x. The sound has mover overall weight... better dynamics... Just awesome!

post #1473 of 1806
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Originally Posted by razzz42 View Post
 

I see on Amazon comments for the X1, it is suggested to change to a lead with less resistance. Easiest and cheapest upgrade route.

 

A decent sound card that has sockets to replace the op-amps has been the most rewarding money spent for me. Preferably a circuit design with (2) I/V  sockets and (1) output socket. It is the only way to test and find op-amps to your liking and get the most of your headphones.

 

Aune T1 for $130, better than the Musiland 02 US to me.  Musiland 02 US has been a significant upgrade over the Xonar DG/STX sound quality wise, so the Aune with its superior Amp is very attractive at this price point.

I could always replace op-amps on the 02 US, someone on head-fi thought it would make a significant enough boost towards audio quality.

 

 

 

So guys and gals with the AD2Kx, where would you benchmark the headphone in terms of tier?  I have a DT880, but would like to know how significant the upgrade would be.


Edited by Yazen - 9/13/13 at 9:26am
post #1474 of 1806

I'd place it above the DT880 (I used to own one and loved it!) To give you an idea...

 

Tier 1

 

AD900x (a little blurred and diffuse... but enjoyable)

DT990 (boom cans!)

HD598 (sounds like mush...)

K550 (hate)

 

Tier 2

 

AD1000x (assuming Ive never heard the x, the regular I disliked a lot...)

DT880 (loved)

HD600/650 (loved)

Q/Q7xx (ok... sound artificial and weird at times...)

 

Tier 3

 

HD700 (Hated... but technically good)

 

Tier 3.5

 

AD2000x (love)

 

Tier 4

 

HD800 (love)

T1p (indifferent... )

 

That's based on my ears and opinions... Its been awhile since Ive heard the HD700, BUT I remember hating it and loving the HD800 and HD600/650... the T1 I was indifferent with, never engaged me BUT the detail retrieval was superb.

post #1475 of 1806

I haven't had the chance to listen to many higher end cans, but I do like the AD2KX more than the HD650, which was good but too laid back for my sound preferences. I thought detail retrieval and imaging was better on the AD2KX. It's been a while since I heard the HD650 so that's all I can recall stood out to me.

post #1476 of 1806
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Originally Posted by akarise View Post
 

I haven't had the chance to listen to many higher end cans, but I do like the AD2KX more than the HD650, which was good but too laid back for my sound preferences. I thought detail retrieval and imaging was better on the AD2KX. It's been a while since I heard the HD650 so that's all I can recall stood out to me.

 

+1.

 

I also prefer the AD2KX to the HD650, and agree that it is more detailed and has better imaging and soundstage.

post #1477 of 1806

Oh I forgot to add that the AD2KX has a much taller, more 3D soundstage, something I mentioned earlier in the thread. The HD650, like the AD900X, has the music spread out around you in a more two dimentional way.

post #1478 of 1806
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Originally Posted by kvtaco17 View Post
 

I'd place it above the DT880 (I used to own one and loved it!) To give you an idea...

 

Tier 1

 

AD900x (a little blurred and diffuse... but enjoyable)

DT990 (boom cans!)

HD598 (sounds like mush...)

K550 (hate)

 

Tier 2

 

AD1000x (assuming Ive never heard the x, the regular I disliked a lot...)

DT880 (loved)

HD600/650 (loved)

Q/Q7xx (ok... sound artificial and weird at times...)

 

Tier 3

 

HD700 (Hated... but technically good)

 

Tier 3.5

 

AD2000x (love)

 

Tier 4

 

HD800 (love)

T1p (indifferent... )

 

That's based on my ears and opinions... Its been awhile since Ive heard the HD700, BUT I remember hating it and loving the HD800 and HD600/650... the T1 I was indifferent with, never engaged me BUT the detail retrieval was superb.

 

I find your comparison of tier one and tier headphones to be pretty interesting, especially placing the AD900x and DT990 a step below the Q701 and HD600. Maybe I won't be looking for a pair of these anymore :o. Was thinking about testing out a used pair to give a run.

 

 

Also interested to see the HD700 to highly rated. Most people rate it much lower than that. 

post #1479 of 1806
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Originally Posted by elwappo99 View Post
 

 

I find your comparison of tier one and tier headphones to be pretty interesting, especially placing the AD900x and DT990 a step below the Q701 and HD600. Maybe I won't be looking for a pair of these anymore :o. Was thinking about testing out a used pair to give a run.

 

 

Also interested to see the HD700 to highly rated. Most people rate it much lower than that. 

I only rated the HD700 that highly because of its technical prowess... AD900x is really a very good can don't let me discourage you, BUT it does tend to blur or sound diffuse on faster recordings whereas a properly amped HD600 will give you most of the details presented, it is not a "fun sound". Really its splitting hairs honestly I love my ad900x and would take it over a lot of better cans BUT as an all around can I prefer the HD600.

 

Tier 1 and 2 are really more or less similar cans in terms of performance, just different flavors and presentations.

 

Again this was all based on my personal preferences and opinions. So please don't let one opinion ruin something for you.


Edited by kvtaco17 - 9/13/13 at 12:21pm
post #1480 of 1806
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Originally Posted by Yazen View Post
 

 

Aune T1 for $130, better than the Musiland 02 US to me.  Musiland 02 US has been a significant upgrade over the Xonar DG/STX sound quality wise, so the Aune with its superior Amp is very attractive at this price point.

I could always replace op-amps on the 02 US, someone on head-fi thought it would make a significant enough boost towards audio quality.

 

 

 

 

 A lot of people prefer a tube for the warmth in sound. You can always upgrade the tube for a different sound. I don't see where the 02USB is op-amp upgradable so changing the op-amp would be considered a modification. The short time I had a Xonar, it always sounded a bit dark to my ears.

post #1481 of 1806
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Originally Posted by kvtaco17 View Post
 

I only rated the HD700 that highly because of its technical prowess... AD900x is really a very good can don't let me discourage you, BUT it does tend to blur or sound diffuse on faster recordings whereas a properly amped HD600 will give you most of the details presented, it is not a "fun sound". Really its splitting hairs honestly I love my ad900x and would take it over a lot of better cans BUT as an all around can I prefer the HD600.

 

Tier 1 and 2 are really more or less similar cans in terms of performance, just different flavors and presentations.

 

Again this was all based on my personal preferences and opinions. So please don't let one opinion ruin something for you.

 

No need to back off on your opinions :p. My personal thoughts on the HD700 were kind of blegh, even from a technical perspective, and I thought most people shared similar thoughts. 

 

I don't make total decisions based on one opinion, but I do like reading many different opinions on headphones even if they may differ from mine or what the main flow of head-fi thinks. You make some interesting points. I had the AD2000, and loved it, but thought it was too much money for what it gave. I was hoping to get a mid-fi version in the AD900x as a similar flavor, but I think I may need to wait until I can hear it in person. Cheers! 

post #1482 of 1806
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Originally Posted by razzz42 View Post
 

 A lot of people prefer a tube for the warmth in sound. You can always upgrade the tube for a different sound. I don't see where the 02USB is op-amp upgradable so changing the op-amp would be considered a modification. The short time I had a Xonar, it always sounded a bit dark to my ears.


Yeah, you could say that :p

The STX had a socket afaik, but then again I did not keep it long enough to actually fiddle with it.

post #1483 of 1806

I just can't not say this.... but I've moved back to the old ad2k from the ad2kx and I find myself missing the bass of the 2kx; that little bit of extra oomph you get is quite important.  FWIW I didn't make this move because I didn't like the 2kx and I also don't prefer the ad2k any more or less in fact.

 

I can't directly compare the two but the old model also seems to have this treble energy/tilt that I don't remember the 2kx having - in other words the 2kx treble seemed smoother and possibly less fatiguing to my ears.  The somewhat loose fit of the 2kx -- I can confirm I do not have the same experience at all with the old model - since the pair I acquired is pre-owned, the clamp is there but not unbearable by any means.

 

I know some have decided to prefer the old ad2k and vice versa but I'm going to have to say they are different enough to maybe warrant owning both if you are a huge fan of the sound.  Unfortunately they aren't exactly cheap - well at least they aren't "flagship" priced!


Edited by Mr.Sneis - 9/13/13 at 6:30pm
post #1484 of 1806
well you're not getting your old pair of ad2kx back from me biggrin.gif
post #1485 of 1806
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Originally Posted by bassboysam View Post

well you're not getting your old pair of ad2kx back from me biggrin.gif

 

Lol, hope you're getting some good music out of them!  

 

Also was thinking; from my memory the ad2k were quite a polarizing headphone back in its prime - very much love or hate.  People docked them because of their perceived price/value, fitment, odd soundstage, and rather colored sound.  Now that the 2kx is out, their pricing is actually much cheaper than today's totl phones (enough to be at diminishing returns territory for some) and I'd argue that many of the original points of contention have now been addressed.  Same as it was back then, it's too bad we have to import them through unconventional means to get them here in the US which seems to be hurting their popularity.  It does seem the cheaper models are doing quite well though, still want to hear the 1kx and 900x.

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