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post #76 of 197
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Originally Posted by Spark771 View Post

  It wouldn't be difficult for Microsoft to add the option to disable the new interface and go back to the regular start menu for the users who want nothing to do with touchscreens.

 

Exactly.

 

Or maybe, make the new interface as your screensaver, so it displays status updates while you're not working.

post #77 of 197
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The reason they make it hard to stay in the old interface is because the're trying to get people to switch to the new, and they'll never accomplish that if they make it so easy to just go back to the old ways. They're trying to move forward and start fresh. I personally like the UI just as a heavy web browsing user and messaging etc. I like the messaging app. I really wish you could respond to text messages through it too. I might be willing to switch back to Windows Phone for that...
post #78 of 197

And their ad campaign doesn't help either. Makes me cringe. Doesn't really explain whats so good about this new interface, just sing and dance around.

post #79 of 197

The new UI was made to implement a platform unification across multiple different form factor devices, which is why there isn't much willingness from Microsoft to made Classic Desktop a main option.

 

People should keep in mind that as long as everything is customizable enough to enable users to restore usability enough to make it work just like previous versions, it's still good. We aren't forced to use whatever new UI or features come by default.

post #80 of 197

It's not hard to navigate Win8 with just kb + mouse. I haven't felt like I've lost out by not have a touchscreen, touch pad, or gesture-sensitive mouse.

 

It's just a slightly different UI. 

post #81 of 197
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Originally Posted by Roller View Post

 We aren't forced to use whatever new UI or features come by default.

 

I guess thats what MS is afraid about. If they give the choice, and the new UI is not well received, they'll lose even before the race starts. The default desktop is already diminishing.

 

Its a big challenge, they need to have the consumer take the decision of embracing their UI. Forcing doesn't help, not when there are other options.

 

Thats why I don't like their ads.


Edited by proton007 - 11/2/12 at 12:34am
post #82 of 197
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Originally Posted by Eric_C View Post

It's not hard to navigate Win8 with just kb + mouse. I haven't felt like I've lost out by not have a touchscreen, touch pad, or gesture-sensitive mouse.

 

It's just a slightly different UI. 

 

Exactly. But do you find it an improvement? Or anything special? 

I'm just a bit skeptical about the mind set I can sense.  The most common response I see is, 'Oh, its not as big a hindrance as I thought', but its still not "Oh, this is nice, I like it!". 

post #83 of 197

Modern UI is meant for content playback, not content creation, at this point, and that's a main issue with any but domestic users. When a new start menu was introduced on Vista (even on XP), Microsoft gave users 2 OSes to get used to the new start menu, then they removed the classic start menu on 7, but masses of users didn't like it and restored the classic start menu. Microsoft went one step further this time and removed the start menu altogether. Again, it has been restored and working with more functionality than it originally had.

post #84 of 197
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Originally Posted by proton007 View Post

 

Exactly. But do you find it an improvement? Or anything special? 

I'm just a bit skeptical about the mind set I can sense.  The most common response I see is, 'Oh, its not as big a hindrance as I thought', but its still not "Oh, this is nice, I like it!". 

 

 

I don't know. I use my desktop strictly for gaming; since I'm not a student and I'm not a freelancer there just isn't a need for me to use it for anything else. As such, I don't have a lot of random add-ons for my desktop, and I'm not mindful of boot-up times and all that.

 

Reviews consistently say Win8 is faster. I trust them, but I can't say from my own experience.

 

At US$ 40 (and S$ 50) to ugprade to a prettier, more integrated Windows is a very easy pill to swallow, though. The Win8-specific apps are well designed to look beautiful and seem to do a good job of display information well. 

 

I like Windows 8. I don't regret upgrading. And I'm happy to learn the new UI in anticipation of Windows Phone 8, which I'll have to use along with my first Windows phone later this year.

post #85 of 197
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Originally Posted by Roller View Post

Modern UI is meant for content playback, not content creation, at this point, and that's a main issue with any but domestic users. When a new start menu was introduced on Vista (even on XP), Microsoft gave users 2 OSes to get used to the new start menu, then they removed the classic start menu on 7, but masses of users didn't like it and restored the classic start menu. Microsoft went one step further this time and removed the start menu altogether. Again, it has been restored and working with more functionality than it originally had.

 

Agree.

I'm still not sure why didn't MS use the Win Phone OS on these devices? It would make a lot of sense. They already have an Office version for that. Its pure mobile interface, nothing confusing.

post #86 of 197
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Originally Posted by proton007 View Post

 

Agree.

I'm still not sure why didn't MS use the Win Phone OS on these devices? It would make a lot of sense. They already have an Office version for that. Its pure mobile interface, nothing confusing.

 

They do use Windows Phone, both 7.8 and 8, but then they muck up things by having released Windows RT, which belongs on the same device branch. And since all those share UI similarities with Windows 8, it makes for a not so good segmentation mess that will be a nightmare for uninformed users.

 

I think Windows Phone should simply have all Windows RT features embedded into it, and become similar to how Android works mildly different on phones and tablets, and leave Windows 8 as a desktop OS that could even have a small UI portion dedicated to device/file/settings syncing, which could even be as fullscreen Modern UI app, but they decided to go the opposite way.

post #87 of 197
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Originally Posted by Roller View Post

 

They do use Windows Phone, both 7.8 and 8, but then they muck up things by having released Windows RT, which belongs on the same device branch. And since all those share UI similarities with Windows 8, it makes for a not so good segmentation mess that will be a nightmare for uninformed users.

 

I think Windows Phone should simply have all Windows RT features embedded into it, and become similar to how Android works mildly different on phones and tablets, and leave Windows 8 as a desktop OS that could even have a small UI portion dedicated to device/file/settings syncing, which could even be as fullscreen Modern UI app, but they decided to go the opposite way.

 Exactly.

 

They could've gone this way.   Windows Light (only mobile) for tablets and phones, uses the same internals with some changes in the UI. Windows Mobile would be a better name, but MS already has bad memories associated with that name.

 

Windows Pro, the good old windows, for all other uses.

 

Also, from a developer perspective, its pretty messy. Develop the same app for 3 platforms? Not unless they have a much easier platform (and now there's two of those already).


Edited by proton007 - 11/2/12 at 12:59am
post #88 of 197
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Originally Posted by Eric_C View Post

It's not hard to navigate Win8 with just kb + mouse. I haven't felt like I've lost out by not have a touchscreen, touch pad, or gesture-sensitive mouse.

It's just a slightly different UI. 

Still it takes 4 clicks to power down the machine - in windows 7 it takes 2. Of course you can create your own shortcuts and change settings etc but big buttons and fullscreen page switching is really not making the most of desktop computer's capabilities. If Windows manage to make the Modern UI as smooth and fast as the startbar and desktop I would not complain, but Modern UI is a clear step backwards for desktop usability.
post #89 of 197
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Originally Posted by Eric_C View Post

 

I don't know. I use my desktop strictly for gaming; 

 

As do I.  But Win 7 is rock stable for gaming.

 

As a matter of fact, I use Win7 only for gaming. Linux is my primary desktop. 


Edited by proton007 - 11/2/12 at 1:28am
post #90 of 197

The trick to improving usability on Windows 8 is to heavily use hotkeys.

 

To shutdown my system, I either go to start menu and shutdown or simply Alt+F4 and shutdown, no faffing about Charms Bar or any of the unnecessarily convoluted new methods.

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