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post #496 of 686

Ah, I went back to the stock pads.

 

I tried different players such as the Hifi-M8, Hifiman901 and AK120 and found the stock pads to retain clarity throughout.

post #497 of 686
I can see how you like the stock pads as they deliver a smoothness but heavyer sound for me.
Its like having two different cans, and thats good(!)
As it can now suit more genres and different music
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post #498 of 686
Need some advice. Due to moisture weather at my home town, I have a headphone with mold and mildew grew on the earpads, and with musty smell. After cleaning the pads with moist cloth, the musty smell is still strong. Any experience and advice as to deal with this situation?

I also have the ATH-ESW11LTD. I am concerned this will happen to LTD. Do you apply some leather lotion on the pads to prevent the mold / mildew?

Thanks
post #499 of 686
Not sure were Ur from but in home depo in US they have a mold spray with no harsh chemicals you can treat everywhere in Ur home and then use a ultra violet air filter to kill airborne spores.
Also like you say a nice leather protector but then your ears will be waxed lol
post #500 of 686

@ExpatinJapan

It is interesting to see that you went back to the stock ESW11 earpads after all.

 

Having read the impressions of the ESW9 earpads on the ESW11LTD I had to give it a try too. Fortunately, Maxx134 offered me his almost mint pair of ESW9 earpads and I was able to at least avoid custom tax too. Thank you!

 

Do note that these are just my preliminary impressions after about 6 hours of listening to a variety of genres, some in high resolution and well mixed and mastered. Differences are relative speaking to the ESW11LTD with the original stock earpads.

 

What is immediately appearant is a clearer presence of treble extension. I think this also adds to the fact mids sound more clearer. Soundstage has slightly more definition, focus and overall blackness. Overall the whole presentation also takes a few rows to the back, adding a slight sense of air. Bass quantity is less prominent in the mix, but seems deeper and tighter. The overall presentation is closer to neutral and natural, but still with that sense of 'ATH' smoothness in the mids. It is also more 'relaxed'.

 

This revelation adds some perspective to the potency of the drivers in the ESW11LTD. Just a simple pad swap had a pretty noticeable effect. I won't use big words like profound. I recall rumors that the driver might be a derivative of the W3000ANV. One could try swapping many variables like a better DAC, tube amp or even adding a power regenerator in the mix. But I believe there is huge potential in the earpad department for the ESW11LTD. I have a Svetlana 2 outputting some tube magic into the ESW11LTD and for me that is plenty enough.

 

I can imagine other ESW11LTD owners to appreciate this swap for ESW9 earpads. There is no real drawback or flaw. Just a different recipe for the ESW11LTD to treat your ears. However I am struggling with less fortunate 'mainstream' recordings that will show me more flaws. In that sense the ESW11LTD with their original stock pads will be more forgiving and proper 'elitist' good high resolution recordings will always sound good. Even on lesser grade headphones if you get my point..

 

 

If you compare the back of the ESW9 and ESW11 earpads you will notice they are almost the same size. However the ESW11 padding is facing more outwards, and thereby visually will look easily larger than the ESW9. The leather on the ESW9 is more supple, but the ESW11 has a smoother surface. When you add foam on the inside of the ESW9 at the back the padding will be flatter and less sloping inwards which is more comfortable since its pressure distribution on the ears is more even. Also you get a more angular positioning of the cups on your ears. The ESW9 already has less padding surface than the ESW11 so this is important to distribute its clamping pressure as evenly possible on the ears.

 

The ESW11LTD with their original pads does sound more intimate/romantic. Especially the mids, which have definite butterly sweetness which is not overdone. Overall it sounds more richer/warmer and I could happily live with an earlier treble roll-off and and less defined soundstage. It just seems that's my preference. That however doesn't take away the changes the ESW9 earpads can bring to the table which others may be able to appreciate more if they are looking for that.

 

The perfect utopia would be to have an earpad that combines all the qualities of the ESW9 and stock ESW11 earpads together into a hybrid. They could make the mids slightly less butter and more fluid. Slightly more treble and soundstage definition. Bass can remain the same because that already gives it that weight and body that I am looking for. But now I am just really talking the way I would like it to be. Many different ears to please.

 

I hope these impressions will add more perspective. In the end your ears decide!

 

I will see if my opinions change after a few more days listening.

 

:D 


Edited by cky8 - 9/22/13 at 1:58am
post #501 of 686
Thanks! Always good to hear more impressions smily_headphones1.gif
post #502 of 686
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Originally Posted by cky8 View Post

@ExpatinJapan
It is interesting to see that you went back to the stock ESW11 earpads after all.

Having read the impressions of the ESW9 earpads on the ESW11LTD I had to give it a try too. Fortunately, Maxx134 offered me his almost mint pair of ESW9 earpads and I was able to at least avoid custom tax too. Thank you!

Do note that these are just my preliminary impressions after about 6 hours of listening to a variety of genres, some in high resolution and well mixed and mastered. Differences are relative speaking to the ESW11LTD with the original stock earpads.

What is immediately appearant is a clearer presence of treble extension. I think this also adds to the fact mids sound more clearer. Soundstage has slightly more definition, focus and overall blackness. Overall the whole presentation also takes a few rows to the back, adding a slight sense of air. Bass quantity is less prominent in the mix, but seems deeper and tighter. The overall presentation is closer to neutral and natural, but still with that sense of 'ATH' smoothness in the mids. It is also more 'relaxed'.

This revelation adds some perspective to the potency of the drivers in the ESW11LTD. Just a simple pad swap had a pretty noticeable effect. I won't use big words like profound. I recall rumors that the driver might be a derivative of the W3000ANV. One could try swapping many variables like a better DAC, tube amp or even adding a power regenerator in the mix. But I believe there is huge potential in the earpad department for the ESW11LTD. I have a Svetlana 2 outputting some tube magic into the ESW11LTD and for me that is plenty enough.

I can imagine other ESW11LTD owners to appreciate this swap for ESW9 earpads. There is no real drawback or flaw. Just a different recipe for the ESW11LTD to treat your ears. However I am struggling with less fortunate 'mainstream' recordings that will show me more flaws. In that sense the ESW11LTD with their original stock pads will be more forgiving and proper 'elitist' good high resolution recordings will always sound good. Even on lesser grade headphones if you get my point..


If you compare the back of the ESW9 and ESW11 earpads you will notice they are almost the same size. However the ESW11 padding is facing more outwards, and thereby visually will look easily larger than the ESW9. The leather on the ESW9 is more supple, but the ESW11 has a smoother surface. When you add foam on the inside of the ESW9 at the back the padding will be flatter and less sloping inwards which is more comfortable since its pressure distribution on the ears is more even. Also you get a more angular positioning of the cups on your ears. The ESW9 already has less padding surface than the ESW11 so this is important to distribute its clamping pressure as evenly possible on the ears.

The ESW11LTD with their original pads does sound more intimate/romantic. Especially the mids, which have definite butterly sweetness which is not overdone. Overall it sounds more richer/warmer and I could happily live with an earlier treble roll-off and and less defined soundstage. It just seems that's my preference. That however doesn't take away the changes the ESW9 earpads can bring to the table which others may be able to appreciate more if they are looking for that.

The perfect utopia would be to have an earpad that combines all the qualities of the ESW9 and stock ESW11 earpads together into a hybrid. They could make the mids slightly less butter and more fluid. Slightly more treble and soundstage definition. Bass can remain the same because that already gives it that weight and body that I am looking for. But now I am just really talking the way I would like it to be. Many different ears to please.

I hope these impressions will add more perspective. In the end your ears decide!

I will see if my opinions change after a few more days listening.

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Excellent review!
I could not have said it better myself .
I would also like to add a note about my suspicions on this driver.
It seems to be that this is one of their latest most advanced drivers and the sound reveals what the "specs" show.
I was holding out on any comments about how seriously good this is because usually a can always impress more at first,
But this esw11 is a strange can where it is impressing more as I use it.
Maybe it is "break in" but is increases in clarity.
I will make a bold statement to say that the clarity and midrange presence is the best I have heard from all the portables I have either owned or tried.
Of particular note is the clarity with the esw9 pads. It is soo clear that it is not about detail anymore but just the whole presentation. Amazing clarity and the delivery is so supple sweet across the whole freq spectrum.
Only my w3000anv is as enjoyable in the delivery.
Very few large cans I owned did this.
So yes I still do like the esw11 stock pads as they do not mask, only subdue the clarity for a more "tube" sound to me, but with the esw9 pads they are a beast of a can and only worries I have is scuffing the wood cups.
They sound so good to me that I don't want to take chance of altering the sound if I spray them with polyurethane..
Edited by Maxx134 - 9/22/13 at 10:57am
post #503 of 686

I was thinking that you might want to test the HP-ESW10 pads on the ESW11LTD if they fit.

I am curious what comes out of that!

 

:D

post #504 of 686
Haha I wish I had an esw10 as that is the last piece of the puzzle for me.
But I do have some stock es10 pads to try!
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post #505 of 686
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Originally Posted by Maxx134 View Post

Haha I wish I had an esw10 as that is the last piece of the puzzle for me.
But I do have some stock es10 pads to try!
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http://www.head-fi.org/t/682716/limited-edition-audio-technica-esw10-jpn

post #506 of 686
Thanks
post #507 of 686

After giving it some more time, I have learned to appreciate the ESW9 earpads more. But only with proper recordings. I have been listening to Susan Wong recently and it is a delight. I could happily live with both the stock ESW11 and ESW9 earpads. Though imho the stock ESW11LTD does have an edge in comfort and being more forgiving of less fortunate recordings with clipping issues.

post #508 of 686
I am getting micro scratches on my cups!
So I just ordered some protectors from "bestskinsever" website.
They sell only one size for the es7,
but I used them before on my es700 and esw9.
They are slightly smaller than the cup but still cover enough to protect about 85% of the cups.
I dont want my lettering to get scuffed with daily use I put it thru.
.Cost me $8
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post #509 of 686

After I have given the esw9 earpads a weeks time, I went back to the stock esw11 earpads. Back and forth testing.

 

Differences are immediately noticeable. There is a certain lively vibrance to it, and butter. You know it is colored, but for me in a good way.

 

The padding of the esw11 is not evenly distributed. One half end is clearly thicker and gradually becomes thinner at the other half. One should not just put the earpads on the esw11ltd blindly, but they should be aligned properly. The thicker padding should touch the top/back area of your ears. And the thinner padding should touch the bottom/front area of your ears.

 

It also seems to me the esw11 padding is curved more smoothly inwards to the center and seems have intentional shaping towards our ears. The esw9 padding is curved sharply to the center, thereby effectively reducing the available surface pressing on your ears (more pressure!). Although the stock esw11 pads are still on ears, I consider them 'extended on ears' as they just really extend over the edge of your ears.

 

All in all the stock esw11 earpads are much more comfortable to me. But this could differ per person. The esw9 earpads have thinner padding, and also the padding itself seems to be pretty much even accross the board. This only further confirms that I was indeed feeling more pressure at the back end of my ears after extended listening.

 

Having said that. I don't feel like pulling out earpads every other day and getting the much tighter esw9 earpads on the esw11ltd really requires some patience and courage. I am not good at that. I do still stand by the differences the esw9 earpads bring. For some that might be very interesting and maybe some not. Nevertheless it is a easy to perform 'mod' that does not cost you too much.

 

You don't need to drill holes in the lovely wooden cups (OMG) or perform any rigorious modding like Maxx134 does! ;) 


Edited by cky8 - 9/28/13 at 1:11am
post #510 of 686
Hey not funny! I never drilled holes! Lol tongue.gif
Your lucky you dont have to lay on a pillow to get perfect seal on your w3000anv frown.gif
Edited by Maxx134 - 9/29/13 at 4:56am
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