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post #886 of 3313
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Originally Posted by Dubstep Girl View Post

a good CD player is a DAC....except the file is stores on the CD instead of on your computer. source matters. i don't believe the super expensive stuff out there is worth the price, but yes a nice dac in the 1000-3000 dollar range does improve your setup quite a bit.

True Dubstep girl - I prefer a bit more bang for my buck, I was able to buy 2nd hand a Cantata Music Server which is a DAC & high quality CD player and would say this has improved my sound system. My only gripe is the amount of DACs with cheap components, shiny boxes and high price tags I guess that's where I'm coming from. You know the latest wonder DAC that sounds more analogue than vinyl and such bulls***t
post #887 of 3313
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Originally Posted by mrtim6 View Post


True Dubstep girl - I prefer a bit more bang for my buck, I was able to buy 2nd hand a Cantata Music Server which is a DAC & high quality CD player and would say this has improved my sound system. My only gripe is the amount of DACs with cheap components, shiny boxes and high price tags I guess that's where I'm coming from. You know the latest wonder DAC that sounds more analogue than vinyl and such bulls***t

The Cantata is probably one of the best and most expensive sources one can possibly buy. So I think you're in full agreement regarding sources being very important in your audio chain. biggrin.gif (This is what we were talking about. And it looks like you're on our side, which is: expensive DACs are worth it). Congrats on the purchase BTW.

post #888 of 3313
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Originally Posted by mrtim6 View Post

I agree with Mad Lust Envy

Firstly most DACS are over rated - I mean $4000 for a dac only?

Also most headphones scale up.

I would think source eg good CD player or well set up Turntable or well set up computer music server plus the amp would have a greater impact than most DACs. Feel free to disagree.

Source, decent amp & Headphones should be your priority followed by a recommended DAC that suits your budget. Both the TH600 & TH900 scale extremely well. So they would very lightly shine with a budget & high end DAC assuming both DACs are well made.

Case in point I own the Grace M903 and the CLAS both are at different price points however they are not that different when used as pure DACs. I have used both as a DAC going into my Leben CS300xs with TH900 as my H/P and the difference was not night and day.
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Originally Posted by mrtim6 View Post


True Dubstep girl - I prefer a bit more bang for my buck, I was able to buy 2nd hand a Cantata Music Server which is a DAC & high quality CD player and would say this has improved my sound system. My only gripe is the amount of DACs with cheap components, shiny boxes and high price tags I guess that's where I'm coming from. You know the latest wonder DAC that sounds more analogue than vinyl and such bulls***t

 

Cantata is $6500...  No one buys the Cantata for its extraordinary way it loads and streams music. blink.gif

 

Some conflicting ideologies...


Edited by Greed - 7/26/13 at 7:14pm
post #889 of 3313
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Cantata is $6500...  No one buys the Cantata for its extraordinary way it loads and streams music. blink.gif

 

Some conflicting ideologies...


Edited by jibzilla - 6/3/14 at 5:59am
post #890 of 3313

so just all the really cheap crappy dacs out there with grainy harsh digital sound?

post #891 of 3313
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Originally Posted by Dubstep Girl View Post
 

so just all the really cheap crappy dacs out there with grainy harsh digital sound?


Edited by jibzilla - 6/3/14 at 5:58am
post #892 of 3313
The receiver thing is mainly for orthos owners who need more current than what dedicated headphone amps can provide.

As for the whole DAC "controversy" you certainly cannot understand how people can spend such a big amount of cash for them... Until you get to experience what they do offer.
Some 2 years ago, I certainly couldn't. After all, I could hear everything with my Cowon s9 + ibasso D10 + k240mkII... or so I thought.

I stand by my position that if you listen to music while actually doing other stuff on your PC (hearing music is a more appropriate word, then) you certainly won't heat much differences between any 2 DACs. And that's fine!

But when you come to compare 2 headphones (or 2 amps for that matter) and come to the conclusion that they don't sound that different because the rest of the setup is not up the task, then it can be confusing for people who don't know there possibly is a bottleneck in the setup.

That's not criticism, of course, it's the story of my early days in audio where the contradiction I read where more a lack of experience from the writers than the "we all hear different" thing. It was kind of difficult for the noob I am to get the right info (if there's one).
post #893 of 3313
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Originally Posted by Greed View Post

 

Cantata is $6500...  No one buys the Cantata for its extraordinary way it loads and streams music. blink.gif

 

Some conflicting ideologies...


I only bought it because of the price/performance - less than half retail price and I want a high quality cd play & dac combo - hence the bang for buck statement earlier.

 

What I'm saying is no way would I pay full price even though it is an excellent piece of kit.

 

I have also seen many DACs being sold for $4000+ as a stand alone product - unless it is some kind of earth moving piece of kit I can't see where all the money goes?

 

The Cantata is expensive and the case which doubles as a heat sink can also heat a small room in winter now can you see my motive? (Smirk) :) any every one have a great week end and enjoy your music and what ever dac you own

post #894 of 3313
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Originally Posted by jibzilla View Post

I'm just saying that people can have great results with headphones without a headphone amp or dac in their chain. I don't, and I think you might be surprised at how many portable headphone amps, dacs and compact desktop amps I have tried. I also think you might be surprised how good my headphones sound just strait out of my mixer. Even my picky annies liked the djr and look at all the modern headfiers looking into vintage recievers, probably one of the hottest topics on here as of late. 
I think between mad love envy's unhelpful off-topic posts you have gone off point again. No one is saying you cannot find satisfaction with modest sources. It is all relative. What you said though that started all of this was that accordingly sources above $200 was pointless, which is a different emphasis and message entirely.

If you listen to something like the Invicta reproducing every aspect of the sound better than you have ever previously heard and yet contained in its own air it is a revelation. That is not to say you have to spend three figures at all. Something like the mdac is two thirds of the sound at a fraction of the price. The main point when you hear better sources is that it becomes impossible to ignore the deficiencies of lower end DACs.

That is not to say you cannot still enjoy lower end kit after demoing better offerings. But for anyone to say higher end DACs are not offering anything extra for the money- again, with the best will in the world but a statement like that says you lack experience or you are fortunate as your ears will not benefit from expenditure. Given you conceded you have not denoted widely then the defensive stance is somewhat perplexing. Just acknowledge what people say, enjoy your current kit and if you ever demo nice toys come back on the forum and report your findings!
post #895 of 3313
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Originally Posted by LFC_SL View Post


I think between mad love envy's unhelpful off-topic posts you have gone off point again. No one is saying you cannot find satisfaction with modest sources. It is all relative. What you said though that started all of this was that accordingly sources above $200 was pointless, which is a different emphasis and message entirely.

If you listen to something like the Invicta reproducing every aspect of the sound better than you have ever previously heard and yet contained in its own air it is a revelation. That is not to say you have to spend three figures at all. Something like the mdac is two thirds of the sound at a fraction of the price. The main point when you hear better sources is that it becomes impossible to ignore the deficiencies of lower end DACs.

That is not to say you cannot still enjoy lower end kit after demoing better offerings. But for anyone to say higher end DACs are not offering anything extra for the money- again, with the best will in the world but a statement like that says you lack experience or you are fortunate as your ears will not benefit from expenditure. Given you conceded you have not denoted widely then the defensive stance is somewhat perplexing. Just acknowledge what people say, enjoy your current kit and if you ever demo nice toys come back on the forum and report your findings!

Edited by jibzilla - 6/3/14 at 5:55am
post #896 of 3313
Yes, my post was completely off topic. Talking about how the comparison made earlier between the TH600 and TH900 off a 'garbage' dac is still plenty helpful, as differences between the drivers will still be quite noticeable. People make it sound like these 'garbage' dacs are just that, garbage.


But yes, that's so off topic. rolleyes.gif

If anything is unhelpful, its those that try to justify to everyone else that you need an uber dac to appreciate the differences between two headphones.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 7/27/13 at 7:00am
post #897 of 3313
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

If anything is unhelpful, its those that try to justify to everyone else that you need an uber dac to appreciate the differences between two headphones.

Edited by jibzilla - 6/3/14 at 5:54am
post #898 of 3313
Someone a while back in this thread asked what amp to use with these phones. I was pretty sure tubes were the way to go. Lately I have been using a solid state CK2III(upgraded beta 22 power supply and oversized heatsinks) and the pair are fantastic. Nothing fatiguing in the hi's, improved control in the bass(hits harder too), and it still has the excitement in the midrange. The tonal textures from the TH-600 and lack of grain make me forget it is solid state.
I haven't run these off the Woo WA6SE yet, but that pair should be interesting...
post #899 of 3313
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Originally Posted by Glam Bash View Post

Someone a while back in this thread asked what amp to use with these phones. I was pretty sure tubes were the way to go. Lately I have been using a solid state CK2III(upgraded beta 22 power supply and oversized heatsinks) and the pair are fantastic. Nothing fatiguing in the hi's, improved control in the bass(hits harder too), and it still has the excitement in the midrange. The tonal textures from the TH-600 and lack of grain make me forget it is solid state.
I haven't run these off the Woo WA6SE yet, but that pair should be interesting...

Edited by jibzilla - 6/3/14 at 5:53am
post #900 of 3313
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

Yes, my post was completely off topic. Talking about how the comparison made earlier between the TH600 and TH900 off a 'garbage' dac is still plenty helpful, as differences between the drivers will still be quite noticeable. People make it sound like these 'garbage' dacs are just that, garbage.


But yes, that's so off topic. rolleyes.gif

If anything is unhelpful, its those that try to justify to everyone else that you need an uber dac to appreciate the differences between two headphones.


You used the words garbage, once again it seems like you are jumping into a conversation and not even reading what people are saying. Good job, now I can not pay attention to anything you say ever again on here.

 

Multiple people on this thread are now propagating things that were never even said....NICE !!!!

 

Read then comment, rule 1 of decent forum etiquette.

 

 

In regards to the question by jbzilla, the TH-600/Rhinleander combo is pretty great so far. Still letting things kind of situate...the TH-600's are still quite new so I have read they do have a tendancy to change with time we'll see.

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