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post #841 of 3313

I think DACs are a category where the rule of diminishing returns kicks in earlier than with amps or headphones. Differences are only of concern if they can be verified with a correctly conducted double-blind test, for everything else the feel-good factor is of much greater importance.

post #842 of 3313
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Originally Posted by jibzilla View Post

Different strokes for different folks. I haven't tried out allot of dac's but the few I did try out I wasn't all that impressed. Maybe it was just bad luck.

All joking aside. You should live with a quality DAC and do some intense A/B ing. I'm sure you'll "get it" after a while and then you'll be singing the glories of owning a nice DAC from the mountain tops. It's hard at first. If you look up some of my posts from 2 years ago. I'm on record saying that I hear no difference between the Fiio E7 and the DACport LX. I had the DACport in my house for a few days and I was still too dumb to realize it was superior. Once you start hearing what DACs are supposed to do then you'll start hearing them LOUD and clear. It's very easy now for me to evaluate DACs and also point out exactly what one does better. I'm sure if you came over to my house I can probably show you exactly how my Concero effects the music compared to other DACs you bring along.

post #843 of 3313
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Sorry, but I totally disagree. Source will always be the first and last word of my audio pleasure. In my opinion quality of music has gone down hill. Crap in, crap out. #1 rule, IMO.

Edited by jibzilla - 6/3/14 at 1:59pm
post #844 of 3313
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Originally Posted by plakat View Post

I think DACs are a category where the rule of diminishing returns kicks in earlier than with amps or headphones. Differences are only of concern if they can be verified with a correctly conducted double-blind test, for everything else the feel-good factor is of much greater importance.

I love it when people bring up ABX double-blind testing. Yes please do this study and make sure it has atleast 10,000 subjects to make sure we can maximize statistical significance. Once the data is collected make sure the analysis and the data is published in a peer-reviewed journal read by electrical engineers. Otherwise I'm right because you can't prove me wrong. LOL. Oh yeah by the way I'm not paying for your time or for the study itself. Please fund the experiment yourself. I await eagerly for the results so I can eat crow and apologize.

post #845 of 3313
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 Just a couple years back I wouldn't have said that.

A couple of years ago you weren't even on this forum. And nothing too significant has happened in the last 2 years in the highend DAC world. Yes some really nice DACs came out in the plus $1000+ but I'm sure you weren't talking about that. It would help a lot more if you and plakat explain your experiences with DACs SPECIFICALLY. Like what have you tried? and How was it similar and not all too different? These impressions would be more valuable than just a general conjecture about audio technology in 2013 without any basis in education or training, not to mention personal expreience. Unless you and plakat have some education/training in this field that I'm unaware of?

 

I've seen it a hundred times on Head-Fi, the same people who say DACs sound about the same are the exact people who have no experience with higher end DACs. They go off on general assumption which they say are somehow "scientific". Science is a method my friends a method used to study claims, not a set of beliefs or a set of numbers. Every scientist worth his salt knows this basic principle. If you really love science go out do some experiments, collect data and let us know what you think. Go listen to some high end DACs and then get back to us. We're wating with baited breath.


Edited by M-13 - 7/25/13 at 1:28am
post #846 of 3313
Chaps please get back on topic. I'm keeping an eye on the tone of this thread closely.
post #847 of 3313

I feel quite well ignoring some recent contributions I guess.

 

Regarding upgrading my DAC: I don't think its so bad that its of relevance to a passing comparison between the TH-600 and the TH-900 as both are used with the same source setup.

 

I'm looking forward to the A8 nevertheless (but more due to its discrete amp stage), but I think all small differences between these two headphones fade away if they are not compared directly, leaving a bit of a difference in overall tuning that can be of help deciding between the two.

post #848 of 3313
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I feel quite well ignoring some recent contributions I guess.

+1

 

Exactly. Anyways... back to TH600.

post #849 of 3313

Hey guys, I'm considering the TH600 with a couple of reservation...Can anyone tell me concisely if they sound like the D5000?

The story being that i missed out on buying the D5000 before they were discontinued. I have no experience with D7000 which makes reading most comparisons on headfi almost impossible.

 

Is the extra $$$ worthit?

does it still retain that treble peak which the D5000 had? (for the record that's what made me love it in the first place)

 

sorry to hi jack this tread like this.

post #850 of 3313
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Originally Posted by kookoo View Post

Hey guys, I'm considering the TH600 with a couple of reservation...Can anyone tell me concisely if they sound like the D5000?
The story being that i missed out on buying the D5000 before they were discontinued. I have no experience with D7000 which makes reading most comparisons on headfi almost impossible.

Is the extra $$$ worthit?
does it still retain that treble peak which the D5000 had? (for the record that's what made me love it in the first place)

sorry to hi jack this tread like this.

I'm auditioning the TH600 in about a week and can give you a comp to both a D2000 Lawton modded and a D7000 both stock and Lawton modded. I know you asked for a D5000 comp and I'm sure one of the other guys have input but this will give you more data points (well not true data but opinions). From what a good bud has said compared to HIS D5000, the TH600 easily beats it. I don't recall if he said anything about the treble.
post #851 of 3313

thanks oregonian

i'll wait abit longer and see if other people can chime in and give their verdict about the th600 vs d5000

post #852 of 3313

I have owned every member of the Denon AH-D family, most recently a newer version of the D7K.

I had the D5K awhile ago so I can't compare directly. If it helps I thought the newest version of the D7K easily trumpeted the D5K.

So you can kind of gather a response based on that.

 

I now own the TH600, to me the TH600 has the same sort of pedigree as the previous denon line. With a slightly different emphasis.

The bass is still there, the mids are better though and the highs are better especially in direct comparison the D7K.

 

I think it has been said here before and I agree. The TH600 is on top followed relatively closely by the newer D7K and then the D5K.

 

I love the TH600's performance and look and feel like I will be set for along time.

post #853 of 3313
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Originally Posted by kcee View Post

I have owned every member of the Denon AH-D family, most recently a newer version of the D7K.
I had the D5K awhile ago so I can't compare directly. If it helps I thought the newest version of the D7K easily trumpeted the D5K.
So you can kind of gather a response based on that.

I now own the TH600, to me the TH600 has the same sort of pedigree as the previous denon line. With a slightly different emphasis.
The bass is still there, the mids are better though and the highs are better especially in direct comparison the D7K.

I think it has been said here before and I agree. The TH600 is on top followed relatively closely by the newer D7K and then the D5K.

I love the TH600's performance and look and feel like I will be set for along time.

Was any of your Denons Lawton modded? Reason I ask is if your view that they are very close to the TH600 I would like to know if that's stock or not. My D7000 literally transformed from good to great with him doing the mod job and adding angle pads. It really was quite a change. wink.gif

My hope is I feel they are equal or at least close enough to my modded D7000 so I'm not compelled to feel the need to upgrade.
post #854 of 3313

The control on the TH600 for bass and treble is what stood out for me when I had both.  It presented a cleaner sound over all with better imaging.  Anyway that's what I recall.

post #855 of 3313
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Originally Posted by jjshin23 View Post

The control on the TH600 for bass and treble is what stood out for me when I had both.  It presented a cleaner sound over all with better imaging.  Anyway that's what I recall.

 

Agreed completely.

 

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Was any of your Denons Lawton modded? Reason I ask is if your view that they are very close to the TH600 I would like to know if that's stock or not. My D7000 literally transformed from good to great with him doing the mod job and adding angle pads. It really was quite a change. wink.gif

My hope is I feel they are equal or at least close enough to my modded D7000 so I'm not compelled to feel the need to upgrade.

 

No mods on any of my Denon's over the years. I am not going to pay close to a grand for a pair of headphones and then pay even more to have them modified. IMO that is ridiculous, they shouldn't need to be modified at that price. I have heard Lawton mods and did not prefer them anyways.

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