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post #751 of 3313

Thanks guys. I'll definitely factor in you opinions into my decision. It's hard because I don't really get to try the TH900's here. They go off the shelf too quick and its too costly for them to keep a demo unit in.

post #752 of 3313

Just as reference how big is the difference in bass? Like the LCD-2 to 3? Cause I probably have more experience with those. If the refinement is like the 2-3 I would know which to choose immediately.

post #753 of 3313
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Never have had that happen... hmm. Also, the whole idea of the TH-900 is to offer a "fun" sound with reference qualities mixed it. Vibration and rumble is what many people consider a good start in that regard, IMO. 

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I think we just disagree but personally don't think vibration or rumble to be characteristic that is strived to be achieved by any hifi company. That just isn't hifi, it's consumer level gear. The housing of the driver, whether headphone or speaker, plays a huge role in what you hear. Ideally the housing itself should he silent. All manufacturers spend considerable amounts of time and money in trying to make whatever enclosure as silent as possible within budget.

Quite honestly when I think vibrating heaphones I think of skullcandy and the like. Not saying these sound like skullcandy headphones, just saying that particular characterisitc is something slullcandy might actively design in, not something that is marketing itself as an audiophile piece of gear.
post #754 of 3313

Vibrating cups make me wonder just how loud they were playing? I may be overly sensitive in that regard but I'm *that* far away from the least bit of such en effect I simply can't believe the pair was not defective in some way. And I'm often listening to quite bass-heavy EDM tracks -- not Schuberts Violin Quintett ;-)

post #755 of 3313
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Never have had that happen... hmm. Also, the whole idea of the TH-900 is to offer a "fun" sound with reference qualities mixed it. Vibration and rumble is what many people consider a good start in that regard, IMO. 

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I think we just disagree but personally don't think vibration or rumble to be characteristic that is strived to be achieved by any hifi company. That just isn't hifi, it's consumer level gear. The housing of the driver, whether headphone or speaker, plays a huge role in what you hear. Ideally the housing itself should he silent. All manufacturers spend considerable amounts of time and money in trying to make whatever enclosure as silent as possible within budget.

Quite honestly when I think vibrating heaphones I think of skullcandy and the like. Not saying these sound like skullcandy headphones, just saying that particular characterisitc is something slullcandy might actively design in, not something that is marketing itself as an audiophile piece of gear.

 

I was talking more in the lines of vibration and rumble that you can feel inside your body, not the from the housing. The housing should not be vibrating as you describe. Like I said, I haven't experienced that in my set of TH-900s, so I wonder if the pair you demo'd were defective in some way? Plakat, may also be on to something. How loud were you listening? 

post #756 of 3313
Jesus Christ man, how loud are you listening to music??? No headphone will make your body rumble, you won't get that effect much outside standing next to giant pa speakers at a live event. But anyway.. actually I had the owner of the th900's listen to the same track on my system where I had noticed the vibration of the housing, he told me he couldn't hear it. So I don't know, take it with a grain of salt.
post #757 of 3313
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Jesus Christ man, how loud are you listening to music??? No headphone will make your body rumble, you won't get that effect much outside standing next to giant pa speakers at a live event. But anyway.. actually I had the owner of the th900's listen to the same track on my system where I had noticed the vibration of the housing, he told me he couldn't hear it. So I don't know, take it with a grain of salt.

 

Not extremely loud. You must not be getting a very good seal if you can't hear and feel rumble from the TH-900. Or maybe it is the tracks you were listening to didn't have much bass presence? Also, that feeling is pretty common in the C/IEM industry. rolleyes.gif

post #758 of 3313

th900 looks much better than this time~~

post #759 of 3313
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Originally Posted by Greed View Post
 

Between the two, the TH-900 definitely has a more "fun" sound signature. The bass is more emphasized with the TH-900, but not in a way that is bloated or boomy. The bass is controlled and very impactful. The TH-600 is more balanced then the TH-900. It has less of a V-Shape then the TH-900 (except for the treble). The mids are less recessed and not as warm and lush sounding. They sound crisp and clean, rather than thick and lush. The bass is also more polite on the TH-600, with less emphasis on the mid-bass, a bit more linear in that regard. The treble is one area that the TH-900 does extremely well, better than the TH-600 by far. Demoing the TH-600, female vocals and some instruments would become a bit shouty and shrill in comparison. The treble overall isn't as smooth and refined. I also experienced a bit of sibilance with the TH-600 on some tracks, which I didn't on the TH-900. In that regard, the TH-900 are somewhat better, IMO. The technical differences between the two are also apparent. The TH-900's soundstage is wider, imaging is more accurate, and the detail retrieval stepped up a few notches in comparison. 

 

Really what it comes down to is if you would appreciate the more "fun" sounding TH-900 with better technicalities or go with the more polite sound of the TH-600. The TH-600 still gives you high quality sound, I would say 85% of what the TH-900 gives you. I don't like to gauge how much of an improvement there is in sound, but there you go. In very limited number of test tracks I heard when comparing did I reach for the TH-600 for sounding better. One area where I think the more balanced sound is appreciated is with acoustic/classical tracks. 

 

Obviously, YMMV. 


Edited by jibzilla - 6/3/14 at 2:16pm
post #760 of 3313
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Originally Posted by plakat View Post
 

Vibrating cups make me wonder just how loud they were playing? I may be overly sensitive in that regard but I'm *that* far away from the least bit of such en effect I simply can't believe the pair was not defective in some way. And I'm often listening to quite bass-heavy EDM tracks -- not Schuberts Violin Quintett ;-)


Edited by jibzilla - 6/3/14 at 2:15pm
post #761 of 3313
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Good review. I haven't heard the 900's but damn the 600's treble is one of my fav. parts of the 600. I listen to electronic which in my exp. has some peaky, sibilant treble and on the 600 no sibilance, no ringing in my ears, nothing. If the 900's treble is that much better it has to be up there with the best in the world.

 

The tracks that I tested that had some sibilance were manly vocals and of course my sibilance test track. Try some Avril Lavigne or some Alicia Keys. Both of their voices can be... pitchy(?). Mind you most of the time, TH-600 were sibilance free. It has a lot to do with the mastering quality of the music. With excellent mastering, you should not pick up on any sibilance in either or these headphones, IMO. Pop music in particular can stand some major overhauling when it comes to mastering quality...

post #762 of 3313
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Originally Posted by jibzilla View Post

With bass heavy electronic I get a little bit of vibration on the 600's. I feel it though I don't hear it.

Thank you i! I thought I was losing it.. I still kind of think I am losing it, but for one reason less.
post #763 of 3313
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The tracks that I tested that had some sibilance were manly vocals and of course my sibilance test track. Try some Avril Lavigne or some Alicia Keys. Both of their voices can be... pitchy(?). Mind you most of the time, TH-600 were sibilance free. It has a lot to do with the mastering quality of the music. With excellent mastering, you should not pick up on any sibilance in either or these headphones, IMO. Pop music in particular can stand some major overhauling when it comes to mastering quality...


Edited by jibzilla - 6/3/14 at 2:14pm
post #764 of 3313
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Thank you i! I thought I was losing it.. I still kind of think I am losing it, but for one reason less.

Edited by jibzilla - 6/3/14 at 2:13pm
post #765 of 3313

The vibrating/rumbling should be normal. I thought the Denon Dx000 and the similar Fostex models were known for their sub-bass? The Denons had more though, I think.

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