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post #406 of 2340
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Originally Posted by MuppetFace View Post


One thing to keep in mind is that the Lawton mods aren't cheap unless you do them yourself. You'd end up spending as much as it costs for the stock Fostex TH600 and even the TH900 with some of those cable options.

Level 1 (dampening with angle pads) is just $199, wood cups and cable are just for look.

Doing yourself is not that hard actually but you really need pads and they are like $100 shipped.

 

But in the end, D5K even modded is not that special really, if new Fostex line is anything like that, and it sounds like it is, I don't really understand that hype around them, esp. considering the price.


Edited by Andrew_WOT - 3/2/13 at 5:54pm
post #407 of 2340
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Originally Posted by Andrew_WOT View Post

Level 1 (dampening with angle pads) is just $199, wood cups and cable are just for look.

Doing yourself is not that hard actually but you really need pads and they are like $100 shipped.

 

But in the end, D5K even modded is not that special really, if new Fostex line is anything like that, and it sounds like it is, I don't really understand that hype around them, esp. considering the price.

I actually have to disagree about the cups... they do noticeably improve the soundstage, and put it on par with the fostex imo. However, I wouldn't say they're totally worth the $300 premium... Still, $500 total for a good sound-improving mod is a decent deal compared to the fostex if you got your denons at a fair price.

post #408 of 2340
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Originally Posted by oblique63 View Post

I actually have to disagree about the cups... they do noticeably improve the soundstage, and put it on par with the fostex imo. However, I wouldn't say they're totally worth the $300 premium... Still, $500 total for a good sound-improving mod is a decent deal compared to the fostex if you got your denons at a fair price.


No argument here, if the chamber is cut differently everything is possible, although based on reviews I've read the sonic impact from cups is pretty small (will post link later). To me the best improvement to soundstage was from angle pads but I should be seriously out of my mind to pay $500 to replace one wooden cups with others, that certainly does not apply to D2K owners.

BTW, Mark offers aftermarket cups for TH900 as well, guess urishi lacquered cups are not that good sonically.


Edited by Andrew_WOT - 3/2/13 at 6:21pm
post #409 of 2340
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Originally Posted by Andrew_WOT View Post


No argument here, if the chamber is cut differently everything is possible, although based on reviews I've read the sonic impact from cups is pretty small (will post link later). To me the best improvement to soundstage was from angle pads but I should be seriously out of my mind to pay $500 to replace one wooden cups with others, that certainly does not apply to D2K owners.

BTW, Mark offers aftermarket cups for TH900 as well, guess urishi lacquered cups are not that good sonically.

 

Being good and being different are two different things.

post #410 of 2340
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Originally Posted by Andrew_WOT View Post

Level 1 (dampening with angle pads) is just $199, wood cups and cable are just for look.

Doing yourself is not that hard actually but you really need pads and they are like $100 shipped.

 

But in the end, D5K even modded is not that special really, if new Fostex line is anything like that, and it sounds like it is, I don't really understand that hype around them, esp. considering the price.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but have you heard any of the Fostex TH headphones? I'll be the first to admit that the price of both headphones are over the top, but what isn't in this market. It seems like you are quick to judge something you haven't even heard, much less had the chance to seriously sit down with. I just don't see how anyone can pass on something based one what? A handful of people who say that the Fostex line is overpriced? I've read both this thread and the TH-900 thread and both are filled with nothing but good things to say about both. In comparison to the D7K (which in it self is a great headphones, and the vast majority of people say that they are the best of the 3 in the line) the Fostex are a clear step up, especially the TH-900. After hearing both D7K and TH-900 side by side, there is no comparison, unless someone is specifically looking for boomy bass, which at this price tier they shouldn't IMO. Honestly, I didn't think the angled pads and dampening mod vastly improved the overall sound of D5K and D7K that much, atleast not as much as the jump from D7K to TH-900.

 

 

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Being good and being different are two different things.

 

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No argument here, if the chamber is cut differently everything is possible, although based on reviews I've read the sonic impact from cups is pretty small (will post link later). To me the best improvement to soundstage was from angle pads but I should be seriously out of my mind to pay $500 to replace one wooden cups with others, that certainly does not apply to D2K owners.

BTW, Mark offers aftermarket cups for TH900 as well, guess urishi lacquered cups are not that good sonically.

^ Totally agree. Also, if they aren't that good sonically, then why did Fostex spend so much time marketing them? Also, you seem to trust Mark's opinion quite strongly, if that's true, what makes him so different than Fostex? Both are out to make money (understandable), so I'd say that take both of their opinions with a grain of salt.


Edited by Greed - 3/2/13 at 6:57pm
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 Also, you seem to trust Mark's opinion quite strongly, if that's true, what makes him so different than Fostex?

Ha-ha, that's a good one. biggrin.gif Did I really leave that impression? LOL

 

Moving on, you seem to own both, modded D7K and TH900, can you please be a good sport and post for the community more than two words review comparing both.

 

We will like and trust you more than Mark after that, I promise. popcorn.gif


Edited by Andrew_WOT - 3/2/13 at 7:07pm
post #412 of 2340
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Originally Posted by Andrew_WOT View Post


No argument here, if the chamber is cut differently everything is possible, although based on reviews I've read the sonic impact from cups is pretty small (will post link later). To me the best improvement to soundstage was from angle pads but I should be seriously out of my mind to pay $500 to replace one wooden cups with others, that certainly does not apply to D2K owners.

BTW, Mark offers aftermarket cups for TH900 as well, guess urishi lacquered cups are not that good sonically.

Interesting. When I was modding mines and messing around, I felt the cups did a lot more to add soundstage than the pads... The pads did change the actual tonality of the cans and brought back a bit of bass though. Wouldn't blame anybody for skipping on the cups either way, cause even without them, I'd say you're at about 75% of the way to a fostex at least, whereas the cups would only bring you up to maybe about 85%.

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And just a side note on new Fostex line, at $2K premium I guess they would consider adding better padded headband and do something about those falling off cups that unscrew by themselves.

Well, guess unique lacquered finish will cover up engineering shortcomings.

post #414 of 2340
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Originally Posted by Andrew_WOT View Post

And just a side note on new Fostex line, at $2K premium I guess they would consider adding better padded headband and do something about those falling off cups that unscrew by themselves.

Well, guess unique lacquered finish will cover up engineering shortcomings.


So far, only isolated cases have been reported.

post #415 of 2340
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Originally Posted by Andrew_WOT View Post

And just a side note on new Fostex line, at $2K premium I guess they would consider adding better padded headband and do something about those falling off cups that unscrew by themselves.

Well, guess unique lacquered finish will cover up engineering shortcomings.

 

And what of Sennheiser's HD-800s?  With paint that flakes off with the slight brush.  I own them, I know.  The paint on those is atrocious.

 

You are not a fan of the TH-900s.  You don't have to be, but at least be fair in that it's not like other high priced headphones don't have their own QC issues.

post #416 of 2340

Interesting impressions here so far, particularly from Muppetface

 

I kind of like the idea that the straddle the line between reference and fun, perhaps more so than the th900?

I prefer the all black appearance over the th900 also.

 

I'm wondering if they'd be anywhere close to 'flat' FR but still have the controlled low end extension required for using to write music. It sounds like they might.

Obviously studio monitors are far superior in that regard but then you have to deal with the room characteristics and dampening... so I'm always looking for 'phones that might do well for monitoring.

 

I've been enjoying using my HE400s for this recently, which while far from flat, don't have any glaring holes, are very detailed and have that bass extension required for making bass

 

I thought I might be about to purchase the t50rp Mad Dogs but maybe I'm better off saving pennies for these attractive looking ninja cans...

ONLY PROBLEM is they are $1300 in Australia from addictedtoaudio and not even available yet. I thought they were going to be more like $900 based on the yen price? Over inflation....

How much are they going for elsewhere?

 

EDIT: Looks like might be able to buy from Japan directly via this site http://global.rakuten.com/en/store/reckb/item/fostex-th600/ $840+shipping. Almost $500 global-local AU price discrepancy.. WTF!?


Edited by designbykai - 3/2/13 at 8:24pm
post #417 of 2340
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Originally Posted by Andrew_WOT View Post

Ha-ha, that's a good one. biggrin.gif Did I really leave that impression? LOL

 

Moving on, you seem to own both, modded D7K and TH900, can you please be a good sport and post for the community more than two words review comparing both.

 

We will like and trust you more than Mark after that, I promise. popcorn.gif


Your sarcasm speaks volumes about how you think. Also, your reaction to simple disagreement is just uncalled for. I can only speak for myself, but I get the impression that you just don't like the way Fostex does business, nor their products so leave the thread? Why should people have to sift through your complaining about a product you don't even own. There is no reason for it, and it isn't at all helpful to people trying to figure out if they want to buy these. You don't have to like them or TH-900, but don't ruin the thread with childish sarcasm and fits about the "over-priced/over-hyped headphones" you've never heard.

post #418 of 2340
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Originally Posted by designbykai View Post

ONLY PROBLEM is they are $1300 in Australia from addictedtoaudio and not even available yet. I thought they were going to be more like $900 based on the yen price? Over inflation....

How much are they going for elsewhere?

 

EDIT: Looks like might be able to buy from Japan directly via this site http://global.rakuten.com/en/store/reckb/item/fostex-th600/ $840+shipping. Almost $500 global-local AU price discrepancy.. WTF!?

 

It's similar with the TH900 also, it can be ordered from Pricejapan and shipped to U.S. (and other countries) for $1660 including shipping and all fees.  The most dramatic difference is the Stax SR-009 which sells for $3,600 on there vs. over $5,000 in the states.  I ordered my AD2000X from there with no problems for $579 and got them in just under a week.

post #419 of 2340
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Your sarcasm speaks volumes about how you think. Also, your reaction to simple disagreement is just uncalled for. I can only speak for myself, but I get the impression that you just don't like the way Fostex does business, nor their products so leave the thread? Why should people have to sift through your complaining about a product you don't even own. There is no reason for it, and it isn't at all helpful to people trying to figure out if they want to buy these. You don't have to like them or TH-900, but don't ruin the thread with childish sarcasm and fits about the "over-priced/over-hyped headphones" you've never heard.


Beg your pardon, last time I've checked that was TH600 thread, you must be confusing it for TH900 *appreciation* thread, which means you have just as much rights posting here as me esp. when discussion is about older Fostex line phones which I happen to own.

 

And I was genuinely curios inquiring about differences between TH600/TH900 and Lawton modded old Fostex, if you read my previous posts I was literally suggesting the following:

 

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What wold be really interesting is to compare Lawton D7000 or D5000 against those new Fostex. Doubt that they will hold a candle against TH900 but against TH600 it should be a more fair race.

 

Oblique63 suggested that even TH900 is not really head and a shoulder above Lawton modded Denon as many say.

 

So I guess in this case you just went a bit over protective over the gear you own and trying to witch hunt anyone who would suggest anything not in line with your opinion. Lighten up, if you really can offer the community the more detailed impressions comparing two I am sure everyone would really appreciate it much more than that childish bickering. Peace smile.gif

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