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post #2251 of 3334
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Originally Posted by ToddTheMetalGod View Post

Can't the highs just be reduced with an equalizer? That's currently one of my only concerns with buying this headphone. I have no way to audition it, so I'll have to hope I'm not affected by sibilance in that range. Also, do female vocals have sibilance with this headphone?

 

It varies with listener. Some people are just more sensitive to treble than others. Sadly, the only way you'll know is to audition a properly burned-in pair yourself. You can EQ down the higher frequencies, obviously. You can also use a dark sounding amp that attenuates higher frequencies (which is what I do), or possibly a tube amp that softens the contrast between highs and lows.

post #2252 of 3334
I just looked at a graph of both the TH600 and HE-400, which I'm currently using. The upper mid-range looks significantly better, but I feel like the lower mid-range will get a bit smeared by the big bass. The high frequencies don't look too different, a bit more emphasis on the TH600 but at a lower frequency (and I bet less abrasive than the HE-400, which is emphasized by the HE-400's upper mid-range hole). I think these headphones will make a good upgrade, especially since they are said to have a better soundstage and similar imaging to the Hifiman HE-400/500.

The lower midrange smearing will probably be corrected by the Lawton Level 1 mod anyway (since it tightens up the bass and reduces resonance).
post #2253 of 3334
Do keep in mind that frequency graphs and measurements aren't everything, especially when it comes to audio. Try to get your hands on a demo unit to compare, because I've realised that listening to people's opinions on measurements and graphs just gets in thr way of the music!

FWIW, the TH600's have the HE400/500 beat on soundstage and bass impact, and the TH600 has a flat midrange, though it may first appear to seem recessed if you're coming from the more mid forward sound of orthodynamics.
post #2254 of 3334

Been eyeing down these beasts, looking forward to owning one.

post #2255 of 3334
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Originally Posted by grizzlybeast View Post

 

before I begin explaining myself.

 

What music do you listen to? Electronic?

 

You have both at the same time so your impressions may be more accurate. The th600 has a more solid bass and I will agree there. I just remember feeling the bass more though the pandora was not as controlled. I was actually underwhelmed by the th600 bass impact when not boosted to be honest. But I had the pandora boosted too and never had the same in the same house.

 

When my second pair come in then I may correct myself.

 

 

Also @Oregonian was quite dumbfounded when I didnt feel the th600 to have enough slam so I could be wrong.

 

I listen to a few genres but the Fostex is almost exclusively for everything electronic. Mostly non-4/4.

 

Hey, terminology is a beach man (wouldn't you agree?) but more solid is what comes to my mind too. Interesting that you felt the bass more on the Pandora. I must say the opposite here. The Fostex has it in them to just shake the cups. Or is it that felt to you means that the bass was clearer to hear on the Pandora because of the more balanced signature? Oh, to clarify, I speak about bass here and there but with that I mostly mean basskick(s). Not John Deacon basslines :D

 

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Originally Posted by Oregonian View Post
 

No rumble is shaved, but it is tightened up so you may perceive it is shaved because it is not muddy and therefore reverberating in there.  When I got my D7000 (totally stock) I was not impressed but after I got it back from Lawton it was like a different headphone.  Will likely never sell it (I no longer say "never" but I doubt it).  I'd sooner sell my TH900.  

 

No idea on the highs around 4-6, sorry. 

 

Thanks for that. Makes sense and sounds better than what I wanted to read. It makes me help in the decision to get the mod done and without technicalities: perception of less reverberation equals less reverberation.

post #2256 of 3334
^ my experience was with solid hip hop bass lines that I chose to hear those long rumblings. The more solid bass kick of the 600 would produce better kicks.

Either way having both at the same time..I won't argue. I liked the th600 over all and when I put it through my nad receiver it was a n awesome hp that smacked really hard with the loudness on. It took better to boosting.
post #2257 of 3334
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Originally Posted by Noobmachine View PostFWIW, the TH600's have the HE400/500 beat on soundstage and bass impact, and the TH600 has a flat midrange, though it may first appear to seem recessed if you're coming from the more mid forward sound of orthodynamics.

Disagree. The TH600 midrange appeared vacant even when directly compared against that of the AH-D2000.

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^though I did want a more forward midrange, I felt a bit wrong calling it recessed. slightly recessed for sure.

post #2259 of 3334

^ then get WA7 with EH tubes, the mids will be way better and the EH tubes will maintain the Dynamics and Bass, still not the same as Solo SS amp but still, the WA7 + EH tubes is one of the best combos with the TH600/900.

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What kind of dac and amp combination are you guys using with your fostex th-600 ?
They seem to scale endlessly with a good source...
Edited by flaco - 6/3/14 at 2:30pm
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Reading this thread makes me want this headphone even more. Does it pair well with the Valhalla or is it better with the lyr? If anyone has tried it with those amps.
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Lyr got so much power for the TH600, avoid it, not saying its bad but definitely not the best option, for an SS amp under 1000$ one of the best is Meier Classic if paired with a nice DAC, this amp is Neutral and will act depend on the setup, it like the desktop version of pico power yet with better mid presenting.

 

Tube amp wise i will always pair the TH600 with WA7 + EH tubes, the rest of tube amps will make the Treble way super boring for my taste. 

post #2263 of 3334
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Originally Posted by Shini44 View Post

Lyr got so much power for the TH600, avoid it, not saying its bad but definitely not the best option, for an SS amp under 1000$ one of the best is Meier Classic if paired with a nice DAC, this amp is Neutral and will act depend on the setup, it like the desktop version of pico power yet with better mid presenting.

Tube amp wise i will always pair the TH600 with WA7 + EH tubes, the rest of tube amps will make the Treble way super boring for my taste. 
Perhaps the Lyr 2 is better because it has a gain switch.
post #2264 of 3334
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Originally Posted by 3X0 View Post

Disagree. The TH600 midrange appeared vacant even when directly compared against that of the AH-D2000.

I've been using tube amps for quite a while now, perhaps that's why I don't perceive that recessed midrange, with Mullard tubes on the Pan Am, I felt absolutely nothing was lacking in the midrange, it was pretty much dead on flat for me.

I make it a point to match new purchases to my desktop rig though, so I never got a chance to listen to the TH600's out of solid state amplification.
post #2265 of 3334
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Originally Posted by flaco View Post

What kind of dac and amp combination are you guys using with your fostex th-600 ?
They seem to scale endlessly with a good source...

I personally used a Pan Am with a DIY ES Sabre DAC. Clean, spacious, neutral DAC with a tubey amp worked great for my TH600's.

General rule of thumb with these phones, they work better as an all-rounder with tubes which bring out the midrange and tame the highs, but much punchier and sparkly through solid state amplification.
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