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post #2071 of 2426
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Originally Posted by MunkyNutz View Post


Then I wonder if a simple Jermod on the HE-500's pads will tame the treble a bit.
Worth a shot bit I'm not handy so a no go for me. If buy one if one was offered
post #2072 of 2426

I have a brand new pair of Jergmodulor style pads so will test that out soon...

 

I'm sure these modded earpads would smooth out the upper region spikes that some complain about....

 

There is a tutorial for DIY-ers  http://imgur.com/a/MdBfW and I think he still makes batches @modulor for people with 2 left hands or no time to mess around with pads.


Edited by Lohb - 4/9/14 at 1:45am
post #2073 of 2426
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Originally Posted by imackler View Post

Thanks a ton for the help! The TH600 seems to clearly not be the right choice... I was afraid of that frown.gif 
I have to disagree.
Last weekend I tried my hd800 on some classical music and compared to a Beyer T1 and it was just was superb and had more realistic cymbal crash.
It has a bit of a "U" shaped sound which gave more ambient rumble in the classical music and was much more engaging.
It has greater soundstage than the AlphaDogs and just excellent overall with a bit excessive sub bass but you get used to it.
The detail retrieval is excellent.
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Originally Posted by Zoom25 View Post

It's going to be hard picking between HD800 and the Fostex for electronic music now. The HD800 flat out beat the Hifiman and Audeze planars for trance, deep house, hip hop....just about everything. 
Absolutely have to disagree.
I am on my second set of HD800, which are actually a bit smoother in trebles which I like..BUT
No way does it's bass have the weight and slam of the th600 or the LCD X & LCD3 & oppo pm1 I tried, which is a planar.
I am not saying the HD800 is weak,
Its bass is Excellent overall, but not the in that monster category..
Edited by Maxx134 - 4/9/14 at 9:06am
post #2074 of 2426
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Originally Posted by Maxx134 View Post



I have to disagree.

Last weekend I tried my hd800 on some classical music and compared to a Beyer T1 and it was just was superb and had more realistic cymbal crash.

It has a bit of a "U" shaped sound which gave more ambient rumble in the classical music and was much more engaging.

It has greater soundstage than the AlphaDogs and just excellent overall with a bit excessive sub bass but you get used to it.

The detail retrieval is excellent.

Absolutely have to disagree.

I am on my second set of HD800, which are actually a bit smoother in trebles which I like..BUT

No way does it's bass have the weight and slam of the th600 or the LCD X & LCD3 & oppo pm1 I tried, which is a planar.

I am not saying the HD800 is weak,

Its bass is Excellent overall, but not the in that monster category..

 



I am not sure why people complain about HD800 is lacking the bass, I am on my 2nd HD800 as well and the bass is amazing, less than LCD2.2 or TH900 but it's had very good quality bass.
post #2075 of 2426
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I have to disagree.

Last weekend I tried my hd800 on some classical music and compared to a Beyer T1 and it was just was superb and had more realistic cymbal crash.

It has a bit of a "U" shaped sound which gave more ambient rumble in the classical music and was much more engaging.

It has greater soundstage than the AlphaDogs and just excellent overall with a bit excessive sub bass but you get used to it.

The detail retrieval is excellent.

Absolutely have to disagree.

I am on my second set of HD800, which are actually a bit smoother in trebles which I like..BUT

No way does it's bass have the weight and slam of the th600 or the LCD X & LCD3 & oppo pm1 I tried, which is a planar.

I am not saying the HD800 is weak,

Its bass is Excellent overall, but not the in that monster category..

 



I am not sure why people complain about HD800 is lacking the bass, I am on my 2nd HD800 as well and the bass is amazing, less than LCD2.2 or TH900 but it's had very good quality bass.
agreed they still have excellent and detailed bass.
I think it is due to the driver distance and open can type that makes it seem different, but it is different when it comes to this aspect of the bass, and is more a personal choice
post #2076 of 2426
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Originally Posted by Maxx134 View Post

Absolutely have to disagree.
I am on my second set of HD800, which are actually a bit smoother in trebles which I like..BUT
No way does it's bass have the weight and slam of the th600 or the LCD X & LCD3 & oppo pm1 I tried, which is a planar.
I am not saying the HD800 is weak,
Its bass is Excellent overall, but not the in that monster category..

 

I've owned and lived with all three planars: HE-500, LCD-2 and LCD-3 for 2 years straight. Their bass is really good. Hifiman while losing on extension has a harder slam. LCD-2 hits harder in mid bass and has lower extension. LCD-3 can almost be like Denon at times with ridiculous sub bass, but lacks the punch of LCD-2. Both Audeze's have a rumble based sound while HE-500 hits fatter. I'm listening mostly on speakers including Mackie HR 824 which are either considered neutral or bass monsters, depending on your preference, but nonetheless, never bass light. The only headphone which can match the way the speakers kick is the HD800 IME. I agree that the HD800 doesn't rumble like crazy the way the Audeze's did, but the bass kick is saturated perfectly on the HD800s I heard and matches live performance. I tried a 17,000 ish model...maybe it just matched my gear and taste better. I preferred the sound of HD800 for electronic and hip hop. The bass was way more than satisfactory.

post #2077 of 2426

Also, the main reason the Audeze's lose out for electronic is with their treble. They can't transmit the air and ambience like the HD800 does. For jazz vocals, sure the LCD-3 works great, but for vocal trance...it's just not up to the par with how HD800 does it. You got to have that air. I'm sure the Fostex are excellent here as well, as I love my Denon's for that.

post #2078 of 2426
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Also, the main reason the Audeze's lose out for electronic is with their treble. They can't transmit the air and ambience like the HD800 does. For jazz vocals, sure the LCD-3 works great, but for vocal trance...it's just not up to the par with how HD800 does it. You got to have that air. I'm sure the Fostex are excellent here as well, as I love my Denon's for that.

Yes. For a long listening session I prefer (in the order of pref).

HD800 > T1 > HE6 > UE8 > D7000 > TH900 > LCD2

IMO. Those are the only headphones I had and auditioned from friends.

My ears can't handle too much bass slam.

For a short listening I still prefer HD800 smily_headphones1.gif
post #2079 of 2426
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I've owned and lived with all three planars: HE-500, LCD-2 and LCD-3 for 2 years straight. Their bass is really good. Hifiman while losing on extension has a harder slam. LCD-2 hits harder in mid bass and has lower extension. LCD-3 can almost be like Denon at times with ridiculous sub bass, but lacks the punch of LCD-2. Both Audeze's have a rumble based sound while HE-500 hits fatter. I'm listening mostly on speakers including Mackie HR 824 which are either considered neutral or bass monsters, depending on your preference, but nonetheless, never bass light. The only headphone which can match the way the speakers kick is the HD800 IME. I agree that the HD800 doesn't rumble like crazy the way the Audeze's did, but the bass kick is saturated perfectly on the HD800s I heard and matches live performance. I tried a 17,000 ish model...maybe it just matched my gear and taste better. I preferred the sound of HD800 for electronic and hip hop. The bass was way more than satisfactory.
that matches my experience with the LCD-X vs. all my other headphones. The Audeze had a lot of rumble, which I honestly didn't like much. The bass was kinda "sluggy" compared to the tight and tactile bass of the HE-6. The HD-800s I heard at the SoCAL meet were also very good and more like the Hifiman in the presentation. Very good stuff!
post #2080 of 2426
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Yes. For a long listening session I prefer (in the order of pref).

HD800 > T1 > HE6 > UE8 > D7000 > TH900 > LCD2

IMO. Those are the only headphones I had and auditioned from friends.

My ears can't handle too much bass slam.

For a short listening I still prefer HD800 smily_headphones1.gif

 

Treble does it for me, that's where I'm sensitive. Bass wise, a bit north of neutral won't hurt me. However, bassy headphones, even for electronic, just get boring after a while and fatiguing. Initially it might seem good but over time the appeal fades. This happened to me with my Denon's and LCD-3. The LCD-2 and HE-500 were a bit different and still played their part. That's why I don't listen to music with my D2000s. They are only there for movies, for which they are the best around that price.

 

I am trying to get all my monitors and headphones to be as neutral as possible without sounding fatiguing. I've noticed that now I can listen for much longer and actually get a far more enjoyable and fun sound, without the typical "fun" coloured sound that a lot of people seem to think is a requirement for enjoying electronic or other bass dependent music.

post #2081 of 2426
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Originally Posted by Clemmaster View Post


that matches my experience with the LCD-X vs. all my other headphones. The Audeze had a lot of rumble, which I honestly didn't like much. The bass was kinda "sluggy" compared to the tight and tactile bass of the HE-6. The HD-800s I heard at the SoCAL meet were also very good and more like the Hifiman in the presentation. Very good stuff!

Yup, pretty much.

 

I've found the Hifimans (both HE-500 and HE-6) to get the bass saturation almost as good as the HD800. Definitely better than the LCD-2/3. Although Hifimans still in a way retain a bit of the rumble of the Audeze, without the extension. On top of that, the Hifiman hit harder than either the HD800 or the Audeze when they are being driven off speaker taps. So Hifimans are quite interesting in that, if you can get over the amplifier requirements and the comfort. Also, fatigue due to treble might be of concern for few.

 

Although all this is just about bass strictly. The overall voicing, presentation, package of HD800 was something different over the planars that really kept me going with them. I completely ran out of time to try any other phone at the Toronto meet after I put them on.

 

Also, I don't want to claim to know much about HD800 as I don't own them yet, although have now heard them twice - both times on my DM Source. So while I do have a few hours with them, I have only heard them on my setup so far, so I have no idea how these behave with other setups.

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Wow, look at all this non TH-600 conversation going on here....

 

 

Back on topic.  While I'm waiting for my TH-600s to show up, I'm still hoping to hear from owners of the TH-600.  What are you favorite portable amp pairing with the TH-600?  I have the CEntrance HiFi-M8, and the ALO RxMk3b.  I think both are more then capable, I'm just curious with other owner's success stories...

post #2083 of 2426

Quote: I use a NECO V4 dual mono amp with AD8610 Op amp and it rocks highly recommend it.

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/V4-DUAL-MONO-portable-headphone-amplifier-/141249202706?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_HomeAudioHiFi_Amplifiers&hash=item20e

Originally Posted by ButtUglyJeff View Post
 

Wow, look at all this non TH-600 conversation going on here....

 

 

Back on topic.  While I'm waiting for my TH-600s to show up, I'm still hoping to hear from owners of the TH-600.  What are you favorite portable amp pairing with the TH-600?  I have the CEntrance HiFi-M8, and the ALO RxMk3b.  I think both are more then capable, I'm just curious with other owner's success stories...

 

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I'm using the PB2
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Originally Posted by ButtUglyJeff View Post

Wow, look at all this non TH-600 conversation going on here....

Sorry guys I started. Going back to TH600 wink.gif
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