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post #1381 of 2340

So... I have a question about how the TH600 performs on the go. Have any of you guys taken the TH600 outside and listened on a subway or coffee shop? I realize it's only semi-closed, but was just curious about if anyone has tried this and what their conclusions were?

post #1382 of 2340
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Originally Posted by kurochin View Post

On amps like the the Burson Soloist or the Violectric V200, the TH600 and TH900 are very close, and most people won't really feel the TH900's price is justified. Sure, there's a slightly wider/deeper soundstage and there's more weight to the bass impact on the TH900 (though I think the TH600 might have heavier sub-bass presence, possibly due to longer decay?), but it's not night and day. Scale up in the amp department and the differences gets clearer. It's kind of hard to say put into words, tbh. There's definitely a difference which justifies the price. I'm not sure if it's the wooden cups (fwiw, TAD-Labs also used Betula Grossa in one of their most critically acclaimed loudspeakers) or the higher Tesla value or whatever, but there's just more smoothness and weight overall.

Have you ever drawn a gradient on one of these photo-editor applications? On some monitors, you can sort of see the "steps" between the graduated areas (dithering or whatever it's called), while on other monitors the steps are less visible, or even totally seamless. That's sort of the difference between the TH600 and TH900 in terms of note decays, particularly in the low and high regions.

Another observation, like the Denon DX000 series, Fostex seems to have quitely improved the TH series (or at least the TH900) without telling anyone. It only became apparent to me when I tried a friend's TH900. His was one of the first batches (back when it was priced at $2K) that came with that wire stand. The trebles were a lot less smooth than those on my own TH900. The mids on mine also sounded less recessed than his. Same amp/Dac (Burson Conductor), same source, btw. No idea if it's some snag in the quality control or an intentional change by Fostex, but I suspect it's the latter. Not sure whether the TH600 production exhibits this or not.

 

I think you've hit the nail on the head. The difference between the two are dependent on the amp. I'm going to make an uneducated guess that it'll have something to do with the capability of the amp to make the most out of the 1.0 Tesla vs 1.5 Tesla difference of the two headphones.

post #1383 of 2340
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Originally Posted by kurochin View Post

On amps like the the Burson Soloist or the Violectric V200, the TH600 and TH900 are very close, and most people won't really feel the TH900's price is justified. Sure, there's a slightly wider/deeper soundstage and there's more weight to the bass impact on the TH900 (though I think the TH600 might have heavier sub-bass presence, possibly due to longer decay?), but it's not night and day. Scale up in the amp department and the differences gets clearer. It's kind of hard to say put into words, tbh. There's definitely a difference which justifies the price. I'm not sure if it's the wooden cups (fwiw, TAD-Labs also used Betula Grossa in one of their most critically acclaimed loudspeakers) or the higher Tesla value or whatever, but there's just more smoothness and weight overall.

Have you ever drawn a gradient on one of these photo-editor applications? On some monitors, you can sort of see the "steps" between the graduated areas (dithering or whatever it's called), while on other monitors the steps are less visible, or even totally seamless. That's sort of the difference between the TH600 and TH900 in terms of note decays, particularly in the low and high regions.

Another observation, like the Denon DX000 series, Fostex seems to have quitely improved the TH series (or at least the TH900) without telling anyone. It only became apparent to me when I tried a friend's TH900. His was one of the first batches (back when it was priced at $2K) that came with that wire stand. The trebles were a lot less smooth than those on my own TH900. The mids on mine also sounded less recessed than his. Same amp/Dac (Burson Conductor), same source, btw. No idea if it's some snag in the quality control or an intentional change by Fostex, but I suspect it's the latter. Not sure whether the TH600 production exhibits this or not.

You know I hear the NEW LCd 2's also have an improved sound over the older models... hmm makes me glad I'm going to have to WAIT a while before I get another closed can

 

although I'm uber tempted to save up for a TH 900... WOOD CUPS megusta [I'd like to stick with wooden closed backs from here on out honestly] Still though that PRICE... might just have to enjoy my w1000x for another year xD 

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post #1385 of 2340

Nice. I need me some nice stands one day

post #1386 of 2340

I use the k701(modded) and I'm considering the th-600 for more bass. A lot of people seem to like the 600 for electronic music with lots of bass, but how is it for classic rock like the stones, bob dylan, jimi hendrix?

post #1387 of 2340

The TH600 is down to $800 over at TTVJ: http://www.ttvjaudio.com/The_TH600_high_end_headphone_from_Fostex_p/fos0000009.htm

 

It's supposed to be temporary, so who knows how long, but that's a great deal for a new one with valid USA warranty!

post #1388 of 2340
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Originally Posted by fortitude View Post
 

 

I'd say more like:

 

TH900 =/= D7000 @ $1500

TH600 =/= D5000 @ $800

TH300? =/= D2000 @ $400

 

 

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Originally Posted by Oregonian View Post
 


When I auditioned the TH600 and compared it side by side with my Lawton modded D7000 I heard two clones of each other.

 

To the original question - there is a miss or two now for pricing with TH600 @ $800.  Should have choices at $500 and $300 IMO.


Edited by jibzilla - 6/3/14 at 3:30am
post #1389 of 2340
People forgetting world economy. My HD600 were £185 new on Amazon in 2008/09. They are now £300 new. And yeah upward pricing trend sucks but these things are also cyclical
post #1390 of 2340
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Originally Posted by LFC_SL View Post

People forgetting world economy. My HD600 were £185 new on Amazon in 2008/09. They are now £300 new. And yeah upward pricing trend sucks but these things are also cyclical

indeed lets hope things start heading back down...
post #1391 of 2340
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Originally Posted by Clemmaster View Post
 

 

I've own both the TH-600 ad the Mad Dogs (albeit the rev3.0 which is now improved to 3.2).

 

In term of comfort, they both are top notch:

- The Mad Dogs have the best feeling of any phones (including the beyer dt-880) due to their excellent real lambskin leather pads and the perfect clamping force. They are a bit heavy (>400g) and end up weighting quite a bit on the neck in the long run.

- The TH-600 have a good feeling as well but the pads are stiffer, so you feel them a bit more on the jaws and cheeks. They are light and stay comfortable in the long run.

 

In term of sound, these are the antithesis of each other:

- The Mad Dogs are darkish with a forward (and excellent) midrange, linear and well defined bass and non-offensive treble. They provide the best isolation (both inside & outside) of any phones I've heard (including HD-25).

They sometime sound congested with my setup (on the warm/smooth of things) and would probably benefit from a neutral/treble-forward setup.

- The TH-600 are V-shaped headphones with a very very nice monitor-like tonality (reminiscent of Focal studio monitors and XS Multimedia speakers). They simply sound open, at the expense of isolation (which is just passable when compared to the Mad Dogs). These have the most refined treble I heard (I didn't hear the HE-6 yet but the 4s, 400s, 500s & 5LEs) and have a very nice bass punch and definition (tight bass with good impact, not bloated). The midrange is quite recessed and would benefit from a mid-forward amp (e.g. tube amp like the Zana Deux or WA7 - I heard neither).

 

In term of price/performance, no doubt, the Mad Dogs are the real deal.

In term of pure performance, I preferred the TH-600 because:

- the tonality is more to my liking (Focal sound, again);

- my gears tend to be on the warmish/smooth to accommodate my treble-happy cans (AKG/Hifiman sound) biggrin.gif;

- they are lighter and more comfortable in the long run when sitting at my desk.

 

I just wish I had a tube amp to bring the mids back in the game... redface.gif

 

Just thought I'd dig up this old post by clem that was very informative to me in choosing these HPs

 

I'm wondering a bit now about a more isolating can for when that is required, and now the alpha dog is out that would naturally seem to be the answer for a neutral mixing pair.

Not cheap though.

 

I'm interested in the new Focal Spirit Pro HPs ($349 retail) too, especially if they're flat and also similar to their monitors (like clem says the TH600 are). Pity they're only around 50mm pad diameter though, that's tiny and I can't imagine them being too comfy.

 

I also might look into Focal monitors at some point too when I move and sell my Mackies. Though Adam A7X are great too and my friend has a pair - I liked them from memory, but all the reading I've been doing says they're actually quite treble happy, perhaps a slight bump. Might need a sub with them too.

 

As an aside. The other day I A/B'ed a Mala track (dub producer) with Mackies hr624mk2s vs TH600. As expected the Fostex's had more sub bass extension and detail, quite phenomenal (vs monitors that were originally $2k+). Of course room treatment (lack of) has a fair bit to do with it and muddys up the low end of monitors with bounces. That's why I love headphones so much. They just don't quite have the same spatial qualities as speakers or make you 'feel' bass in your chest of course, hence why its nice to have the best of both worlds.

post #1392 of 2340
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Originally Posted by designbykai View Post
 

 

Just thought I'd dig up this old post by clem that was very informative to me in choosing these HPs

 

I'm wondering a bit now about a more isolating can for when that is required, and now the alpha dog is out that would naturally seem to be the answer for a neutral mixing pair.

Not cheap though.

 

I'm interested in the new Focal Spirit Pro HPs ($349 retail) too, especially if they're flat and also similar to their monitors (like clem says the TH600 are). Pity they're only around 50mm pad diameter though, that's tiny and I can't imagine them being too comfy.

 

I also might look into Focal monitors at some point too when I move and sell my Mackies. Though Adam A7X are great too and my friend has a pair - I liked them from memory, but all the reading I've been doing says they're actually quite treble happy, perhaps a slight bump. Might need a sub with them too.

 

As an aside. The other day I A/B'ed a Mala track (dub producer) with Mackies hr624mk2s vs TH600. As expected the Fostex's had more sub bass extension and detail, quite phenomenal (vs monitors that were originally $2k+). Of course room treatment (lack of) has a fair bit to do with it and muddys up the low end of monitors with bounces. That's why I love headphones so much. They just don't quite have the same spatial qualities as speakers or make you 'feel' bass in your chest of course, hence why its nice to have the best of both worlds.


Edited by jibzilla - 6/3/14 at 3:28am
post #1393 of 2340
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Originally Posted by M-13 View Post
 

So... I have a question about how the TH600 performs on the go. Have any of you guys taken the TH600 outside and listened on a subway or coffee shop? I realize it's only semi-closed, but was just curious about if anyone has tried this and what their conclusions were?


Edited by jibzilla - 6/3/14 at 3:26am
post #1394 of 2340
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Originally Posted by jibzilla View Post
 

I'm sorry but I would not recommend taking the th-600 out and about. They are light enough but the cable is 10 ft. long and garden hose like. It depends what you listen to whether it will leak or let sound in. If you listen to bass heavy electronic at moderate to high level like I do then it is going to leak sound. If you listen to bass lite music at moderate to low levels then it's going to let sound in. They are made out of metal so I would figure they are fairly tough but not quite dj level (v-moda) tough imo.

Aaaactually.... There was a while back when I had no access to any of my IEM's, and took my TH-600 to study at a local subway, MacbookPro->TH-600, they sounded passable I suppose, not a particularly good idea in any place about as noisy as a Starbucks. HOWEVER, I found that even being semi closed, it doesn't leak sound at all at low-mid levels of volume, and can be used in a library, where you can enjoy your music as much as you like, heck bring along an amp if you really want the best. The wire is a hassle though, and jibzilla is right, they're durable but you don't really want to damage $900 cans. Plus they're kinda tough to bring around imo, bulky.

post #1395 of 2340
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Originally Posted by Noobmachine View Post
 

....took my TH-600 to study at a local subway,

 

Whaaa?! You can actually get studying done at a subway? I assume it's in some cafe located within the subway station and not the actual subway passages/walking areas?

Oh, but you're in Singapore. People can study anywhere there. When I first moved there, I even saw students studying at the airport (which actually makes more sense than a subway, now that I think about it).

 

On topic;

Yeah, the length of the cable would be the main drawback. Fine if you coil it up and put most of it into your bag and only letting the required length stick out, I suppose. In any case, they weren't made for mobile use. It's doable, but not ideal.

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