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post #1276 of 2104
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akhyar, nice impressions. What amp did you use? I found when I wrote the TH-600 review beginning of the year (and I already owned the TH-900 then) that the amp made a difference on synergy with the two headphones.

 

+1 Would definitely like to know what amps you were using. Very nice impressions indeed. It's interesting that you prefer the TH-600 over the 900, although I can definitely understand why after comparing both with a variety of genres. 

 

 

Definitely makes sense to me too I have to say. When I got to demo the TH600's I immediately thought about the TH900's and thought to myself, how could anything else closed sound as amazing as what I'm hearing right now. I used them with the ALO Pan Am and figured that if the world was ending and I had one setup to play before the world exploded that would be it right there. I know I've never heard the likes of the LCD'3 or top level Stax and what not but I honestly don't care. The TH600's were to me and my preferences of music the best sounding headphones I've ever experienced. 

 

Now as I sit here listening to my newly aquired D7000's I wonder if anyone here has had to chance to AB the two and what their impressions were and which they prefered. I've now owned all the old schools Denons and to me the D5000's were easily the most exciting and the D7000's I've yet to experience through a good amp seeing that my Arrow 3G just take a crap and I sold my other ones thinking that the Arrow was all I'd ever need :mad: I do have a couple of my favorites heading home tomorrow with the Fiio E12 and RSA SR-71a which to me is the the best sounding portable I've ever owned top to bottom. Others have better mids (Continental V3) and better bass (Arrow 3G) but non of them come close to putting the total package together like the SR-71a. But once that gets here I feel like I'll get a much better idea of what I have here with the D7000's. If I feel like they aren't giving me what I was hoping for they'll be up for sale and I'll finally do what I should have done a few months ago and get myself a pair of TH600's and call it a day!

 

 

Thanks,

 

 

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post #1277 of 2104
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Funny that you say all that. Sometimes I prefer the darker sound of my D2000 w/D5000 cups (essentially the same as far as I know) to that of my TH-900. I've been wondering about the D7000s which I'd assume have a sort of in the middle sound signature.

post #1278 of 2104
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Funny that you say all that. Sometimes I prefer the darker sound of my D2000 w/D5000 cups (essentially the same as far as I know) to that of my TH-900. I've been wondering about the D7000s which I'd assume have a sort of in the middle sound signature.

 

D7000's so far (brief listening) are cleaned up versions of the D5000's. By that I mean less sparkle and cleaner bass. And the D5k's are basically D2k's on steriods. Cleaner deeper and more fun to experience. The D7K's are more grown up but still sticking with the Denon house sound. They're for the sophisticated bass head lol and the D5000's are for the guy that wrecked his car and used the insurance money to buy headphones instead of getting his steering fix. :) 

 

I'm trying to grow up but its not working... 

 

 

Thanks,

 

 

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post #1279 of 2104
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Definitely makes sense to me too I have to say. When I got to demo the TH600's I immediately thought about the TH900's and thought to myself, how could anything else closed sound as amazing as what I'm hearing right now. I used them with the ALO Pan Am and figured that if the world was ending and I had one setup to play before the world exploded that would be it right there. I know I've never heard the likes of the LCD'3 or top level Stax and what not but I honestly don't care. The TH600's were to me and my preferences of music the best sounding headphones I've ever experienced. 

 

Now as I sit here listening to my newly aquired D7000's I wonder if anyone here has had to chance to AB the two and what their impressions were and which they prefered. I've now owned all the old schools Denons and to me the D5000's were easily the most exciting and the D7000's I've yet to experience through a good amp seeing that my Arrow 3G just take a crap and I sold my other ones thinking that the Arrow was all I'd ever need :mad: I do have a couple of my favorites heading home tomorrow with the Fiio E12 and RSA SR-71a which to me is the the best sounding portable I've ever owned top to bottom. Others have better mids (Continental V3) and better bass (Arrow 3G) but non of them come close to putting the total package together like the SR-71a. But once that gets here I feel like I'll get a much better idea of what I have here with the D7000's. If I feel like they aren't giving me what I was hoping for they'll be up for sale and I'll finally do what I should have done a few months ago and get myself a pair of TH600's and call it a day!

 

 

Thanks,

 

 

:evil:

 

Tonality-wise the TH-600 sounds quite a bit like the older D7K. They have similar sound, with everything being somewhat improved (i.e soundstage, control, and refinement). The TH-900 is somewhat of a step up from all of them, IMO. It still isn't what I'd call a reference style headphone, but it trumps the rest in areas like detail, imaging, and the ability to sound natural while maintaining that fun signature Fostex has come to perfect. If funds permit, I would still urge you to try and get an audition with the TH-900, but like I said the TH-600 is almost there. Like Anak said, much of the enjoyment I've gotten from the TH-900 is because I've gone through many setups and have finally arrivesd at the best I've heard them. I still would love to try the ZDSE, but I think I'm content now. Overall I think the TH-600 gets 90% there at a fraction of the cost of a new TH-900. 

post #1280 of 2104
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Tonality-wise the TH-600 sounds quite a bit like the older D7K. They have similar sound, with everything being somewhat improved (i.e soundstage, control, and refinement). The TH-900 is somewhat of a step up from all of them, IMO. It still isn't what I'd call a reference style headphone, but it trumps the rest in areas like detail, imaging, and the ability to sound natural while maintaining that fun signature Fostex has come to perfect. If funds permit, I would still urge you to try and get an audition with the TH-900, but like I said the TH-600 is almost there. Like Anak said, much of the enjoyment I've gotten from the TH-900 is because I've gone through many setups and have finally arrivesd at the best I've heard them. I still would love to try the ZDSE, but I think I'm content now. Overall I think the TH-600 gets 90% there at a fraction of the cost of a new TH-900. 

They're difficult headphones to weigh up. Sometimes they sound quite neutral, almost to the point that they could be considered reference headphones, then you play another song and they sound like subwoofers. One moment they're smooth and grain free, the next they sound brittle in the treble area. Sometimes instruments have such a lifelike timbre you can imagine that you're in the studio, other times guitars are drowned out by majorly excessive resonance in the lower regions and everything sounds fake and inauthentic - even in recordings that are not particularly bass heavy. They don't seem to specialise in any one particular genre. They can sound good with anything and they can sound awful with anything. They're great fun.

Anyway, mine are up for sale. TH-900 are coming in a week or so.
post #1281 of 2104

Some initial impressions (literally the first few hours spent with these). With Audioengine D1 + Matrix M-Stage, mostly FLACs played in Foobar. So yes not the greatest source/chain ever, but if these babies scale up even better with higher-end DACs/amps I'm looking forward to that experience one day. For now I feel these are my first real hifi headphones so I'm pretty happy right now. So, sorry if its a bit rambly.


Isolation - better than open headphones at least! Significantly dampens CPU cooler (Corsair H100) sound, and mechanical keyboard typing sound (not completely depending on music volume, but its nice to still have some of that audible & tactile feedback together).


Comfort - WOW - I had really become accustomed to the big heavy HE400. Its a massive weight off my shoulders/head wearing these, they feel light as a feather for their size and construction quality. Pads are very comfortable and I can see myself wearing these all day with ease, although could get a bit sweaty on a hot summers day compared to velour. The clamping force is less than I'm used to as well and perfect for someone with glasses (again I am used to HE400 and DT1350 as portables, both pretty clampy).


The soundstage blows me away for 'closed' headphones. More on that in the track impressions below...

 

Foals - Inhaler http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJ_PMvjmC6M
I'm hearing instrument detail and subtle timbre characteristics i never heard before. Guitars sound a lot clearer and more lifelike than I remember with HE400. With the high note guitar pluck at around the 4:10 mark, the position incredible, it sounded like it was behind me! It also came in very gradually and I feel I was able to hear it start at super low volume, about 2 bars earlier than I remember on other headphones.


Massive Attack - Safe from Harm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKtTmZnVhhI
Great track to give headphones a  vocal workout, having both a male and a female vocalists. I feel like I'm in the room with them, and really appreciate the audio mix here. All vocals and instruments (electronic and acoustic) have their own space, subtle panning placing them around the room. This track doesn't have massive bass in the mix, just a constant funky rolling bassline which is obvious and present yet never overpowering anything else; I feel these headphones represent the intended quantity perfectly and every note is clean. A dub style MA track like "Karmacoma" feels like it has just the right level of chest rattling sub bass (if played on a big speaker system), a nice ear massage at least, without distracting from anything else.


James Blake - Limit To Your Love http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOT2-OTebx0
Amazing impact/attack and clarity to the deep sub bass notes, and crisp percussion/highs. A nice minimal test track (especially for bass), with only vocals really in the mids, and Blake's voice sounds better than ever to me. Test passed!

 

Kilowatts - Mobius Cakes
An album I listen to a lot. Surprisingly the 'smoothest' this track has sounded to me, but individual sounds/detail still all super present.. beautiful stereo width to the spread-out synth at 2:30ish..  Great weight to the sub bass.

Kilowatts - End of the Year http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnPAbrwUvQg
This tune builds and crescendos from 4min to the end and is a supreme example of how emotive and beautiful electronic music can be. It gets quite complex with four or five different synth lines fighting for attention and coming in and out of the mix. Never sounded better or more emotive to me than on these headphones.


Trentemoller - Still on Fire  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mfIkMMyHcs
Have listened to this masterful album and track a few times on my DT1350 and once with HE400s. Its a whole other story with the TH600. The panning and position of instruments is so much more noticeable and so enjoyable to hear. Low end is again nice and meaty, yet the mids and various instruments are all very present and clear and the highs are crisp yet never too bright. Most importantly, I'm really FEELING the music and nodding my head.
I highly recommend this new Trentemoller album for anyone that appreciates top notch electronica, and many of the tracks have beautiful guest vocals. 'Trails' is another  moody instrumental masterpiece though, which has a simple yet powerful bassline, energetic guitar riffs and nuanced drums throughout.

 

If these TH600s get even better after 100-200 hours use as I have heard...I'm speechless. I'm not going to lust after the TH900 because I prefer the matte black and understatement of these, and a spare $1000 in my pocket to eventually spend on something like the WA7 to pair with them.

 

Now back to going back through my music collection... Bonobo album up next I think.. At some point I might do some AB comparisons with HE400 but I hardly think its fair. I still dig the signature of the HE400s and their mid bass punch, and that unique planar sound. They might stick around for a while at least as my open pair for when my ears need to breathe..


Edited by designbykai - 10/6/13 at 2:39am
post #1282 of 2104
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Originally Posted by designbykai View Post
 

Some initial impressions (literally the first few hours spent with these). With Audioengine D1 + Matrix M-Stage, mostly FLACs played in Foobar. So yes not the greatest source/chain ever, but if these babies scale up even better with higher-end DACs/amps I'm looking forward to that experience one day. For now I feel these are my first real hifi headphones so I'm pretty happy right now. So, sorry if its a bit rambly.


Isolation - better than open headphones at least! Significantly dampens CPU cooler (Corsair H100) sound, and mechanical keyboard typing sound (not completely depending on music volume, but its nice to still have some of that audible & tactile feedback together).


Comfort - WOW - I had really become accustomed to the big heavy HE400. Its a massive weight off my shoulders/head wearing these, they feel light as a feather for their size and construction quality. Pads are very comfortable and I can see myself wearing these all day with ease, although could get a bit sweaty on a hot summers day compared to velour. The clamping force is less than I'm used to as well and perfect for someone with glasses (again I am used to HE400 and DT1350 as portables, both pretty clampy).


The soundstage blows me away for 'closed' headphones. More on that in the track impressions below...

 

Foals - Inhaler http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJ_PMvjmC6M
I'm hearing instrument detail and subtle timbre characteristics i never heard before. Guitars sound a lot clearer and more lifelike than I remember with HE400. With the high note guitar pluck at around the 4:10 mark, the position incredible, it sounded like it was behind me! It also came in very gradually and I feel I was able to hear it start at super low volume, about 2 bars earlier than I remember on other headphones.


Massive Attack - Safe from Harm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKtTmZnVhhI
Great track to give headphones a  vocal workout, having both a male and a female vocalists. I feel like I'm in the room with them, and really appreciate the audio mix here. All vocals and instruments (electronic and acoustic) have their own space, subtle panning placing them around the room. This track doesn't have massive bass in the mix, just a constant funky rolling bassline which is obvious and present yet never overpowering anything else; I feel these headphones represent the intended quantity perfectly and every note is clean. A dub style MA track like "Karmacoma" feels like it has just the right level of chest rattling sub bass (if played on a big speaker system), a nice ear massage at least, without distracting from anything else.


James Blake - Limit To Your Love http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOT2-OTebx0
Amazing impact/attack and clarity to the deep sub bass notes, and crisp percussion/highs. A nice minimal test track (especially for bass), with only vocals really in the mids, and Blake's voice sounds better than ever to me. Test passed!

 

Kilowatts - Mobius Cakes
An album I listen to a lot. Surprisingly the 'smoothest' this track has sounded to me, but individual sounds/detail still all super present.. beautiful stereo width to the spread-out synth at 2:30ish..  Great weight to the sub bass.

Kilowatts - End of the Year http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnPAbrwUvQg
This tune builds and crescendos from 4min to the end and is a supreme example of how emotive and beautiful electronic music can be. It gets quite complex with four or five different synth lines fighting for attention and coming in and out of the mix. Never sounded better or more emotive to me than on these headphones.


Trentemoller - Still on Fire  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mfIkMMyHcs
Have listened to this masterful album and track a few times on my DT1350 and once with HE400s. Its a whole other story with the TH600. The panning and position of instruments is so much more noticeable and so enjoyable to hear. Low end is again nice and meaty, yet the mids and various instruments are all very present and clear and the highs are crisp yet never too bright. Most importantly, I'm really FEELING the music and nodding my head.
I highly recommend this new Trentemoller album for anyone that appreciates top notch electronica, and many of the tracks have beautiful guest vocals. 'Trails' is another  moody instrumental masterpiece though, which has a simple yet powerful bassline, energetic guitar riffs and nuanced drums throughout.

 

If these TH600s get even better after 100-200 hours use as I have heard...I'm speechless. I'm not going to lust after the TH900 because I prefer the matte black and understatement of these, and a spare $1000 in my pocket to eventually spend on something like the WA7 to pair with them.

 

Now back to going back through my music collection... Bonobo album up next I think.. At some point I might do some AB comparisons with HE400 but I hardly think its fair. I still dig the signature of the HE400s and their mid bass punch, and that unique planar sound. They might stick around for a while at least as my open pair for when my ears need to breathe..

 

Great impressions. These do scale with better gear, but not as much as one would think. One of the many pros (IMO) of the Fostex line - they aren't source/amp picky. 

post #1283 of 2104
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Originally Posted by designbykai View Post
 

Some initial impressions (literally the first few hours spent with these). With Audioengine D1 + Matrix M-Stage, mostly FLACs played in Foobar. So yes not the greatest source/chain ever, but if these babies scale up even better with higher-end DACs/amps I'm looking forward to that experience one day. For now I feel these are my first real hifi headphones so I'm pretty happy right now. So, sorry if its a bit rambly.

.........

 

My source is almost the same like yours.

Instead of M-Stage, I'll be using iFi iCAN when I receive my TH600 in a week time or so.

 

I think that is one of the reason I'll go for TH600, instead of the TH900 as I'm afraid the bottleneck will be at the source and amplification.

post #1284 of 2104
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My source is almost the same like yours.

Instead of M-Stage, I'll be using iFi iCAN when I receive my TH600 in a week time or so.

 

I think that is one of the reason I'll go for TH600, instead of the TH900 as I'm afraid the bottleneck will be at the source and amplification.

 

Nice one. I think you'll definitely enjoy the set up, I know I am. D1 is cheap but far from nasty; nice and clean, transparent when used as DAC-only. Then amp to beef things up. Quality headphones are always the most important part of the chain anyway IMO unless they're super picky/power hungry (Audeze).

 

Another artist that I'm loving rediscovering on these cans is Solar Fields (Swedish ambient/IDM/progressive trance producer)

His albums Origin (2010) and Origin 2 (this year) are masterpieces.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onTCspkQnZc 'Silent Walking' - really showcases the '3d' nature of the soundstage of these HPs, and everything else..

Such lush soundscapes with a brilliant combination of sampling and thick synth pads. Blade Runner-esque, very spacey.

I think any great headphones should make you fall in love with music again and that's what these are doing for me. Music I thought I was famililar with but am now re-experiencing.

post #1285 of 2104
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Originally Posted by designbykai View Post
 

I think any great headphones should make you fall in love with music again and that's what these are doing for me. Music I thought I was famililar with but am now re-experiencing.

 

This is probably the sentence that most accurately sums up my TH600 experience, I'm starting to listen to so many different types of music and enjoying my old tracks even more, I can't get enough of this HP.

 

I do miss the ortho sound though, I think in a dynamic phone the TH600 are about as good as it'll get for me, though I do feel the TH900 to be better suited for me with it's smoother highs, the $1000 gap that could easily be spent on perhaps an Alpha Dog or LCD-X just makes more sense to me. For now though the TH600's are my "endgame" dynamics, unless some other company out there makes an even more impressive TOTL flagship dynamic.

post #1286 of 2104
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Originally Posted by designbykai View Post
 

 

Nice one. I think you'll definitely enjoy the set up, I know I am. D1 is cheap but far from nasty; nice and clean, transparent when used as DAC-only. Then amp to beef things up. Quality headphones are always the most important part of the chain anyway IMO unless they're super picky/power hungry (Audeze).

 

Another artist that I'm loving rediscovering on these cans is Solar Fields (Swedish ambient/IDM/progressive trance producer)

His albums Origin (2010) and Origin 2 (this year) are masterpieces.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onTCspkQnZc 'Silent Walking' - really showcases the '3d' nature of the soundstage of these HPs, and everything else..

Such lush soundscapes with a brilliant combination of sampling and thick synth pads. Blade Runner-esque, very spacey.

I think any great headphones should make you fall in love with music again and that's what these are doing for me. Music I thought I was famililar with but am now re-experiencing.

 

On the D1, do you set the volume to maximum and adjust the volume to your headphone on your M-Stage?

Sometimes I do wish that the line output on the D1 is fixed and the volume knob is only for the headphone out.

post #1287 of 2104
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Originally Posted by akhyar View Post

On the D1, do you set the volume to maximum and adjust the volume to your headphone on your M-Stage?
Sometimes I do wish that the line output on the D1 is fixed and the volume knob is only for the headphone out.
Yep on full so don't have to crank amp too much. You're right; or a separate dial for HP amp vs Rca output would be nicer still.
I've been taking my D1 over the TV lately and using the optical out of ps3 Into it for GTA5. Such a handy little device.
Yet to try the th600 for gaming yet, waiting on Grado 6.3 to 3.5mm adapter to use straight out of the D1. But will give it a go with PC games soon I think.
post #1288 of 2104
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Great impressions. These do scale with better gear, but not as much as one would think. One of the many pros (IMO) of the Fostex line - they aren't source/amp picky.

Well while the threads are not as popular as they once used to be, the old D2k-7k threads talked of these headphones actually scaling very well. To me there is a difference between a headphone being easy to drive and a headphones ability to scale with better gear. I'm about to find out for myself in a couple weeks as I pulled the trigger on a amp the was mentioned to do wonders with the d7k back in the day. The amplifier's maker's name begins and starts with the letter r, lets see who can guess it.

post #1289 of 2104

My TH600 is en route from pricejapan....

Hopefully will receive it tomorrow as will be out of town from tomorrow evening until Tuesday....

dang!

post #1290 of 2104
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Originally Posted by jibzilla View Post
 

Well while the threads are not as popular as they once used to be, the old D2k-7k threads talked of these headphones actually scaling very well. To me there is a difference between a headphone being easy to drive and a headphones ability to scale with better gear. I'm about to find out for myself in a couple weeks as I pulled the trigger on a amp the was mentioned to do wonders with the d7k back in the day. The amplifier's maker's name begins and starts with the letter r, lets see who can guess it.

 

Personally I don't find the Denon or Fostex series to scale with amplification all that much. Upgrading your source material and source (DAC/Transport) would yield better results. I've tried a wide variety of amps low cost to high cost and while they all improve on sound as you climb the ladder, the performance/cost ratio doesn't seem to scale all that much in comparison to other headphones that I find scale very well (i.e HD800, LCD-3, HE-6). I think the Fostex headphones in particular respond much better to synergy than to just flat out more expensive gear. A fine example of that would be the WA7 paired with the TH-600/900. Relatively low cost combo that sounds incredible together.

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